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An alternate take on prepping
« on: April 25, 2016, 02:40:23 PM »
Hi All,

As many know I tend to take a different view on things at times.

I have mentioned this to JM during PM's.

I view sensible Preppers as the new Civil Defence Corps in this world.

Think about it for a moment and if you think I am full of crap then please comment.

After thinking about it. Ask yourself how much of a small effort it would take to gear yourself up with reference material and oganisational knowledge to advise your community on how to deal with SHTF?

Think VERY hard about this.

This is not a huge leap. I am in no way saying you and yours should be the leaders. What you need to be is the knowlegable advisor.

Just a few thoughts.


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Re: An alternate take on prepping
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2016, 09:48:22 PM »
A downside-- Xzavius from downtown says-- You must be one of them prepper dudes we saw on TV.  I bet you got lots of stuff in your basement and attic and even under the bed.  OK everybody he needs to share and we need to go get it to make him.

That idea needs to be taken into serious consideration in how you present yourself and the ideas/suggestion/planning strategies you share.

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Re: An alternate take on prepping
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2016, 02:19:40 AM »
A downside-- Xzavius from downtown says-- You must be one of them prepper dudes we saw on TV.  I bet you got lots of stuff in your basement and attic and even under the bed.  OK everybody he needs to share and we need to go get it to make him.

That idea needs to be taken into serious consideration in how you present yourself and the ideas/suggestion/planning strategies you share.

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Agree completely

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Re: An alternate take on prepping
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2016, 07:47:46 AM »
Gadget wrote, "I view sensible Preppers as the new Civil Defence Corps in this world."

This is an interesting concept. Here are my thoughts on your subject line Gadget.

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civil defense
n. A range of emergency measures to be taken by an organized body of civilian volunteers for the protection of life and property in the event of natural disaster or enemy attack. American Heritage Dictionary

Keep in mind my prospective is from a rural position not urban. An urban one is a whole lot more intense.

No - In the beginning the focus will be on the family and immediate local tribe. I am a bit hesitant offering help too early as it will draw flies which will hurt the tribe.

Yes - Once things are stable our hand will be offered in friendship to others. This will be handed out in ascending circles from our AO.

Doing this is all about protecting the tribe not necessarily helping folks. As our security increases the byproduct is people will be helped. Add to this equation the use of politics. Politics you say?

Politics will be an important element for survival specifically: Bartering, formation of local government, defense,   justice, et cetera. 

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Re: An alternate take on prepping
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2016, 12:02:26 PM »
If we assume our government is 'We the People' (US of A)...   The statement "I view sensible Preppers as the new Civil Defence Corps in this world."  is synonymous with responsible citizen.

I don't expect the government to do much to help me outside of what my tax pays for. 
<I'll skip the obvious issues about bailing out wall st., et.al. And other issues about tax use> :trolling:

so i call the fire department, I pay taxes to support that, I hope and somewhat rely on the response.  This doesn't stop me from taking some precautions against the obvious.  I have smoke detectors, a couple of fire extinguishers and hope i never do have to rely on them to extract me in a fire.

in a major disaster, they just don't have the man power to put a band-aid on my skinned knee.  they will be busy with higher priority problems.  So i have a box of band-aids and a bottle of rubbing alcohol.

If the government serves the people <yes i know there 'is some concern' about that> I don't assume the government should be my mommy and daddy and tell me what to do.  if I'm on my own, l'll assess and move on as best i can. 
I know that working with more people does two things. 
     It keeps me from making mistakes - i'm not a 50lb brain <even if my ego is sure of it>. 
     It provides more resources - material and more importantly people.
this being the case, the existing legal structure gives us some ground rules to quickly organize if the current system is broken in an emergency.  It provides a more efficient reaction.

if the system has broken down so far that you and your neighbors are your entire world sphere.  Start there and build.
As JM pointed out, do what you can for your family and then start working outwards.  Use caution in dealings with your neighbors but keep an open mind and mutual respect.  in my experience 10% of the people i run into are dangerous and 2% are A-social critters best kept locked up or otherwise removed from the gene-pool.  about 20% are really good people.  the rest of us schlubs are just trying to make our way in life.

I'm a civilian - now.  I've been in combat.  I've lived in 'third world' countries - I've lived in some neighborhoods bad enough that apartment hunting included making sure it had solid brick walls and removing the mattress to the floor if the windows were too low.  I have no illusions - i hope - about my fellow traveler's on this planet. 
I've decided to plan for supporting my family and maybe even a few friends in an emergency.  call it defense of my family.

i guess by Gadget's definition, i fit the profile.  but not completely - I'm not going out in a hurricane to see how my neighbors are doing <i paid that societal debt when i was younger>.  But i'll go check on them as soon and the weather lightens up.  If there is a problem i can't solve, I won't abandon them or just gawk - I'll keep trying.  I'll take it upon myself to help out my own back-yard.  Yes it's trite, but effective - after a societal meltdown it may be the best way to rebuild.  Let Darwinian imperatives slack off a bit and come out from under your rock and start rebuilding.

using the hurricane example - you could clear any roads near you - it would help others by allowing first responders and evacuees a quicker travel time.  It is also an advertisement that someone is taking proactive action.
-if you aren't 20 years old anymore or don't own a chainsaw, there is something you can do - make it fit your capabilities and the situation.  Heck, put grandma and grandpa in charge of the children so the parents can work.

citizen response is the essence of a civil defense corps.

that 20% i mentioned above will start the process - most of the rest will either actively pitch in or just follow blindly.

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Re: An alternate take on prepping
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2016, 11:14:50 PM »
I think that we are looking at the status quo being the order of things until something happens.

Then after ensuring that yours and your own are safe and ok, the wider part of the equation come into effect.

As I said before. Preppers have the ability to advise others on how to better withstand the rigors of the "when something goes wrong"

Yes this needs to be done carefully. Yet by thinking about it now. The prepper can come up with ideas of how to safely serve the wider good. Whether it be limited to extended family, friends and neighbors. Or dropping words of advise to community leaders.

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Re: An alternate take on prepping
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2016, 11:23:43 PM »
Gadget i agree. :thumbsUp:
i actually have a plan that includes how to start organizing at a local level.  like all good plans, it probably won't survive the first day, but at least i have thought about priorities and first steps.


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Re: An alternate take on prepping
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2016, 07:23:55 AM »
I both agree and disagree. On the one hand, most preppers have more skill, knowledge, and practice in dealing with emergencies and some idea of what to do to survive something like that. On the other hand, preppers are fairly solitary, suspicious sorts (myself included!) who tend to be cautious about bringing attention to themselves and their prepping for various reasons both reasonable and crackpot (again, myself included).

I think, if one were to consider leadership skills or community building as an important part of prepping you'd also need to start prepping BEFORE it becomes an issue. Join your local government or social/civic groups like the Lions Club. Make sure you have ties to the community so you're not some weirdo showing up in a disaster trying to take over, but a respected member of the community who has social capital to spend when it's needed to steer your community in a safer direction. Don't expect that people will listen to you in an emergency if they don't know you already.
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Re: An alternate take on prepping
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2016, 10:05:40 AM »
Make sure you have ties to the community so you're not some weirdo showing up in a disaster trying to take over, but a respected member of the community who has social capital to spend when it's needed to steer your community in a safer direction. Don't expect that people will listen to you in an emergency if they don't know you already.

Exactly correct WPW.  Unless you are in a situation where you can say-- I can feed you for a month you will be viewed as as the wierdo becoming king.  Then you will just be run off and your supplies taken for the good of the town. 

If you are a regular part of the community you will be in a much much better position to make suggestions and they will be taken seriously.

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Re: An alternate take on prepping
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2016, 12:15:50 PM »
Glad the thread has stimulated discussion.

There is alot to think about in reference to this subject and no easy answers really.

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Re: An alternate take on prepping
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2016, 03:38:38 PM »
I believe having strong ties to the community does only one thing and that is knowing who definitely not to trust. Don’t trust anyone until they come to you. If you tell one trusted soul and he tells his wife who tells her daughter who tells her boyfriend and so on.
 I’ll be the grey man who follows OODA and when SHTF then I’ll know who to go to.
In my 75 years I’ve trusted a lot of people and they All let me down including my own sons, except my present wife she’s an angel.
Sounds harsh but think about it. Who has promised to be there for you and not shown up, promised to return a borrowed tool and not do it. Self  preservation is number one, family is number two and you might not even be number three.   

Heads up incoming. :gunner:
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Re: An alternate take on prepping
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2016, 08:02:54 AM »
Wellie, That Guy and I were chatting about this subject line one day a couple of years ago.

Basically he felt that now was a good time to put in some time as a volunteer. Volunteer as a fireman, police auxiliary, voting place, local government etc. Doing this will help with your current skill set, pre-interview people in your AO for future needs and do a little 'politician'. Sounds like you are both in sync.

Kbop, your thoughts pretty much mirror mine. In short, once the hurricane passes and my AO is secure, I will venture out to check-in on my neighbors.

Thanks Gadget for starting the subject.
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Re: An alternate take on prepping
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2016, 08:02:06 PM »
Have any of you read "Prepping for a Suburban or Rural Community" by Michael Mabee?  It talks a lot about building community before and handling community after a disaster.  He looks at it more along a civil defense mindset.  It's a very interesting read.
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Re: An alternate take on prepping
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2016, 06:27:33 AM »
The Kindle version is only three bucks.

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Have any of you read "Prepping for a Suburban or Rural Community" by Michael Mabee?  It talks a lot about building community before and handling community after a disaster.  He looks at it more along a civil defense mindset.  It's a very interesting read.
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Re: An alternate take on prepping
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2016, 11:19:29 AM »
In the spirit of this thread.........

Could we come up with something that could be handed to community leaders that would help them get organised?

I am thinking of a digital library at the moment.

A CD, DVD or memory chip.

Your thoughts?

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Re: An alternate take on prepping
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2016, 08:20:23 PM »
I suspect many of them already have the administrative skills to get those aspects quickly in place.  And if not, handing it to them the morning after will make them give you the double watchful eye quick and remember you suspiciously.

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Re: An alternate take on prepping
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2016, 03:11:46 AM »
I suspect many of them already have the administrative skills to get those aspects quickly in place.  And if not, handing it to them the morning after will make them give you the double watchful eye quick and remember you suspiciously.

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Good point

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Re: An alternate take on prepping
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2016, 07:38:35 AM »
This is very interesting.

You gotz me thinking Gadget (As MrsMac will tell you this is a scary proposition) maybe we (The royal we) could put together a class outline to share our knowledge TODAY.

Prepping 101, 201, 301, etc

Each course would be short, maybe 5-6, 2 hr class before the group graduates and moves onto the next one. Target groups would be library frequenters, church's, et cetera. Cost would be = to the cost of the handout materials.

It's a proactive Vs. reactive approach. Thoughts folks?
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Re: An alternate take on prepping
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2016, 09:32:38 AM »
Hunt up and discuss it with the local CERT folks with your county.  A nickel says they would like the idea.  Might want to try the idea on the churches in your area.  Presuming you go to one start there.

Go with a 3-5-7 day plan to begin with regarding the CERT folks.

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Re: An alternate take on prepping
« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2016, 04:33:18 PM »
I suspect many of them already have the administrative skills to get those aspects quickly in place.  And if not, handing it to them the morning after will make them give you the double watchful eye quick and remember you suspiciously.

Nemo
Good point
Good idea.

Let me think on it a bit.

I am putting together a library of pdf's at the moment.

Something that can easily be put on digital media for distribution.


This is very interesting.

You gotz me thinking Gadget (As MrsMac will tell you this is a scary proposition) maybe we (The royal we) could put together a class outline to share our knowledge TODAY.

Prepping 101, 201, 301, etc

Each course would be short, maybe 5-6, 2 hr class before the group graduates and moves onto the next one. Target groups would be library frequenters, church's, et cetera. Cost would be = to the cost of the handout materials.

It's a proactive Vs. reactive approach. Thoughts folks?

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Re: An alternate take on prepping
« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2016, 09:57:21 AM »
Hi All,

Been thinking on this subject a bit more.

First of all let me set the context.

Provide for and take care of yous and your own first.

Now with this out of the way.

I am challenging preppers to take a small amount of time to consider how they can provide information and guidance to the community.

I am not sayong that you need to become the local war lord, mayor and such.

What I am saying is that with a little bit of effort, you can provide information that can assist your local community in surviving and rebuilding.

If you could provide your community with the PDF's from this website then it would make a difference.

http://answers.practicalaction.org/

Just a thought.