ALERT thread for Trayvon Martin crisis

[1000meterstare]

I think my .45 with +p hollows still has a longer range and can disable someone for more than 45 minutes...

[EJR914]

Friends of mine are carrying these: http://www.kimberamerica.com/pepperblaster

They have CCW's but do not carry handguns as they don't believe in lethal force due to the legal implications involved in a shooting.

Just a thought.

Cool product, I just don't think I can carry another items in my pockets without getting out the batman utility belt.

[Kentactic]

Friends of mine are carrying these: http://www.kimberamerica.com/pepperblaster

They have CCW's but do not carry handguns as they don't believe in lethal force due to the legal implications involved in a shooting.

Just a thought.

i think i need to look into this product more since i know from others on YT in CA that carry them it is legal... its all ive got... 

only cons are it looks kinda like a sub compact gun like a glock 27 or others in profile and could be mistaken for one in a dark situation and a CCW carrier/ off duty cop ends up shooting you...

[hjmoosejaw]

Ken, you can open carry in Calif. if you don't have a magazine in the gun, right? What about concealed carry, you're not allowed to do that? Man, I'm glad I live in Pa.!

[Kentactic]

Ken, you can open carry in Calif. if you don't have a magazine in the gun, right? What about concealed carry, you're not allowed to do that? Man, I'm glad I live in Pa.!

yes there use to be a legal open unloaded carry just mag not in the gun but i do believe its been banned at this point for handguns. if it hasnt it will be soon its my understanding the law has passed just not sure when it goes into affect if it hasnt already.

[hjmoosejaw]

Ken, you can open carry in Calif. if you don't have a magazine in the gun, right? What about concealed carry, you're not allowed to do that? Man, I'm glad I live in Pa.!

yes there use to be a legal open unloaded carry just mag not in the gun but i do believe its been banned at this point for handguns. if it hasnt it will be soon its my understanding the law has passed just not sure when it goes into affect if it hasnt already.

That's sad.

[thatGuy]

How do I feel? I feel tired and sore from rowing the boat while so many shit heads rock it.

The press reports all kinds of jackass things but no matter what outfit you listen to somethings stay constant. I would hazard to say that those constants are the closest to the truth that you will ever get.

Zimmerman is a busy body.
He patrolled his neighborhood for ne'er do wells who were up to no good.
He is a known dick.

These are constants, it doesn't matter who tells the story.

Marten was a child.
He had the right to walk down the road without being molested, haressed or persued by some dick walking cop wanna be.

Now you tell me what you would have done at 16-17 years old if some little shit was following you home from the gas station.

Marten may well have jumped on Zimmerman but Zimmerman didn't have to follow the boy home. Cut and dry.

[hjmoosejaw]

I was just checking. It looks like you can concealed carry in Calif. , but you need to jump through hoops to get a license. In Pa. , you can open carry at age 18. To concealed carry, since it is a "shall issue" state. Meaning they have to give you a license unless you are a felon or crazy. You have to be 21, fill out a paper, give them a check for 25.00 and a few days later, your license comes in the mail. Then renew it 4 or 5 years. I can't remember, mine's out in my car.

[1000meterstare]

In Indiana where I live it is kind of weird in a good way, I guess.  The CCW covers both open and concealed carry.  My buddy talked me into open-carrying while I was visiting him in Fort Wayne - never do that again.  Buncha politically correct hippies up there.  In southern Indiana no one gives a crap ow won't think twice about open-carry.

[EJR914]

In Georgia, with a Georgia Weapons Carry License, GWCL, it covers the open carrying and concealed carrying of firearms, knives of a certain length, ect.

You also don't need a license in Georgia to open carry a long gun, as long as you're allowed to own it, ect.  In that case, you can't of course open carry it.  LOL

I think the license allows you to conceal a long gun, but who would really want to do that anyway.

[Kentactic]

How do I feel? I feel tired and sore from rowing the boat while so many shit heads rock it.

The press reports all kinds of jackass things but no matter what outfit you listen to somethings stay constant. I would hazard to say that those constants are the closest to the truth that you will ever get.

Zimmerman is a busy body.
He patrolled his neighborhood for ne'er do wells who were up to no good.
He is a known dick.

These are constants, it doesn't matter who tells the story.

Marten was a child.
He had the right to walk down the road without being molested, haressed or persued by some dick walking cop wanna be.

Now you tell me what you would have done at 16-17 years old if some little shit was following you home from the gas station.

Marten may well have jumped on Zimmerman but Zimmerman didn't have to follow the boy home. Cut and dry.

Punks these days have no respect for adults and realize they can almost litterally get away with murder because they are not an adult yet. what would i have done if i was 17 and a dude was following me around? id get my ass home and tell an adult about it. I sure as hell wouldnt think my best option was to attack the dude. If that is what happened id say thats a testiment to where this 17 yr old mans mind was.
I myself have litterally had teens 14-17 throw rocks at my city vehicle and then run off. one was so ballsy as to chase the truck for a while. knowing how this fucked up world thinks i kept just enough speed for him not to be able to reach the truck... eventually he got tired and gave up. now what kind of a fucked up world is it when a grown ass man has to fear defending himself from a punk kid? how that should have played out was i brake check the little fuck and then hog tie his ass and wait for police.

i have a co-worker who had to move because punk kids that lived on his block were caught in braod daylight trying to break into his house and a neighber said something to them. they told him to mind his own bussiness and he didnt so they broke his neck with a skateboard, and busted out my co-workers talights on his truck. he now is forced to move because of punk kids.

The point im trying to make is weve setup a society where kids can do no wrong and adults no longer have control over their own kids let alone other peoples kids. The best thing that can come of this case is if zimmerman truely is not guilty and deemed self defense and then obama comes on and anounces that this should be a lesson for any other punk kid who thinks hes above the law. i wont hold my breath though.

A perfect example of the first generation of kids that have this mindset are the OWS punks.

[Kentactic]

I was just checking. It looks like you can concealed carry in Calif. , but you need to jump through hoops to get a license. In Pa. , you can open carry at age 18. To concealed carry, since it is a "shall issue" state. Meaning they have to give you a license unless you are a felon or crazy. You have to be 21, fill out a paper, give them a check for 25.00 and a few days later, your license comes in the mail. Then renew it 4 or 5 years. I can't remember, mine's out in my car.

Right there is a CCW option in CA but its almost a 0% chance of obtaining one and costs a lot and no refunds if you are denied which is 99% of the time so i dont even consider that an option.

[RS762]

I was just checking. It looks like you can concealed carry in Calif. , but you need to jump through hoops to get a license. In Pa. , you can open carry at age 18. To concealed carry, since it is a "shall issue" state. Meaning they have to give you a license unless you are a felon or crazy. You have to be 21, fill out a paper, give them a check for 25.00 and a few days later, your license comes in the mail. Then renew it 4 or 5 years. I can't remember, mine's out in my car.

Right there is a CCW option in CA but its almost a 0% chance of obtaining one and costs a lot and no refunds if you are denied which is 99% of the time so i dont even consider that an option.

That's so puke-worthy.
Im sorry Ken, CA sounds like a gun owner's nightmare.

[hjmoosejaw]

How do I feel? I feel tired and sore from rowing the boat while so many shit heads rock it.

The press reports all kinds of jackass things but no matter what outfit you listen to somethings stay constant. I would hazard to say that those constants are the closest to the truth that you will ever get.

Zimmerman is a busy body.
He patrolled his neighborhood for ne'er do wells who were up to no good.
He is a known dick.

These are constants, it doesn't matter who tells the story.

Marten was a child.
He had the right to walk down the road without being molested, haressed or persued by some dick walking cop wanna be.

Now you tell me what you would have done at 16-17 years old if some little shit was following you home from the gas station.

Marten may well have jumped on Zimmerman but Zimmerman didn't have to follow the boy home. Cut and dry.

Punks these days have no respect for adults and realize they can almost litterally get away with murder because they are not an adult yet. what would i have done if i was 17 and a dude was following me around? id get my ass home and tell an adult about it. I sure as hell wouldnt think my best option was to attack the dude. If that is what happened id say thats a testiment to where this 17 yr old mans mind was.
I myself have litterally had teens 14-17 throw rocks at my city vehicle and then run off. one was so ballsy as to chase the truck for a while. knowing how this fucked up world thinks i kept just enough speed for him not to be able to reach the truck... eventually he got tired and gave up. now what kind of a fucked up world is it when a grown ass man has to fear defending himself from a punk kid? how that should have played out was i brake check the little fuck and then hog tie his ass and wait for police.

i have a co-worker who had to move because punk kids that lived on his block were caught in braod daylight trying to break into his house and a neighber said something to them. they told him to mind his own bussiness and he didnt so they broke his neck with a skateboard, and busted out my co-workers talights on his truck. he now is forced to move because of punk kids.

The point im trying to make is weve setup a society where kids can do no wrong and adults no longer have control over their own kids let alone other peoples kids. The best thing that can come of this case is if zimmerman truely is not guilty and deemed self defense and then obama comes on and anounces that this should be a lesson for any other punk kid who thinks hes above the law. i wont hold my breath though.

A perfect example of the first generation of kids that have this mindset are the OWS punks.

I hear ya! When I was younger, a neighbor could tell you to get your ass home, and you probably would because if you didn't and you showed any kind of disrespect, you were going to pay for it at home. I also remember when I was younger and ran into one of my friends parents, I'd always say "Hello Mr. or Mrs. so and so". Hell, I've walked up to my daughter and her friends at different town goins ons or school functions, and the friends would look at the ground or away while I talked with my daughter. The looks on their faces would be like, I can't believe this old S.O.B. is even breathing the same air we are. Never say hello or even acknowledge I was standing there. I told my daughter she better always greet the other parents and she ensured me that she does. It's a different world. And not for the better.

[1000meterstare]

I know what moosejaw is saying.  When I picked up my prom date (her dad is still the biggest Mexican I'd ever seen even until now) I was afraid to put my arm around Lorraine for the pictures until her father said it was okay.  Fear and respect must make a comeback...

[thatGuy]

And no one is going to fear someone with Ken's attitude. Seriously dude I wanted to throw up reading your reply.

Our Society is evolving, everyday 'we' decide that some old wrong is now acceptable and what passed as civil behavior is now to be frowned upon.

Did your countrymen ask you if you agreed?

Did they ask for your input?

They didn't you say?

You are giving your consent via your behavior. When punk ass kids throw rocks at your truck you are telling them it is just fine when all you do is drive away. How about you call the cops, stop the truck, dismount and do what men have done for thousands of years? Whoop some punk ass!

I decided a long time ago that I was not willing to give my constent nor am I willing to stand by while others do wrong.

[NOLA556]

And no one is going to fear someone with Ken's attitude. Seriously dude I wanted to throw up reading your reply.

Our Society is evolving, everyday 'we' decide that some old wrong is now acceptable and what passed as civil behavior is now to be frowned upon.

Did your countrymen ask you if you agreed?

Did they ask for your input?

They didn't you say?

You are giving your consent via your behavior. When punk ass kids throw rocks at your truck you are telling them it is just fine when all you do is drive away. How about you call the cops, stop the truck, dismount and do what men have done for thousands of years? Whoop some punk ass!

I decided a long time ago that I was not willing to give my constent nor am I willing to stand by while others do wrong.

while i would normally agree with a view like this, i have to point out that times are very different bro. i don't know about your neck of the woods but around here, a good portion of the murders are committed by teens. leathery mitts and a square jaw just don't cut it no more man. you buck up to one of these little teenager street thugs and you're liable to get shot. (I'm not talking about Martin and Zimmerman anymore, just urban/suburban life in general)

[Kentactic]

And no one is going to fear someone with Ken's attitude. Seriously dude I wanted to throw up reading your reply.

Our Society is evolving, everyday 'we' decide that some old wrong is now acceptable and what passed as civil behavior is now to be frowned upon.

Did your countrymen ask you if you agreed?

Did they ask for your input?

They didn't you say?

You are giving your consent via your behavior. When punk ass kids throw rocks at your truck you are telling them it is just fine when all you do is drive away. How about you call the cops, stop the truck, dismount and do what men have done for thousands of years? Whoop some punk ass!

I decided a long time ago that I was not willing to give my constent nor am I willing to stand by while others do wrong.

well in my defense we did call the cops and had to follow them around because just like zimmerman said "they always get away" so we followed them and then told the cops what house they were in, the cops went in and got them and 1 that was 18 got 1 year in prison and the others were out in no time mad doggin like usual except with more tattoos then before.... great system... im sure the under 18 kids learned their lesson... NOT.... the only way they will learn is if they fear an immediate and violent response to their actions... which in zimmermans case means a possible life sentance for carrying out.

The problem with your view of how to deal with these type of situations is that your relying souly on the police to save the day.. in most cases youd be let down if you did so.

the laws are so screwed that if i were to stop id be in trouble because i had a safe getaway and stopped to confront the piece of shit that was trying to reach me. what sick fucking system do we have here when you are required to cower and build the peice of shits confidence for the next guy? it should end right then and there but with our system it cant legally.

[JohnyMac]

Interesting side thread we have going here.

My liberal next door neighbor has a 3 year old son. William loves my truck. So awhile back he started to wave at me and resently he started to talk to me. He addressed me as John and my wife as Karen. Well I pulled his father aside and suggested that he should call me Mr. John and my wife Mrs. Karen.

Well my neighbor rolled his eyes BUT I will give him credit because William is now addressing me Mr. and my wife as Mrs. I have also noticed he is addressing other adults by Mr. & Mrs. too.

I guess you can teach adults too. 

[Kentactic]

Interesting side thread we have going here.

My liberal next door neighbor has a 3 year old son. William loves my truck. So awhile back he started to wave at me and resently he started to talk to me. He addressed me as John and my wife as Karen. Well I pulled his father aside and suggested that he should call me Mr. John and my wife Mrs. Karen.

Well my neighbor rolled his eyes BUT I will give him credit because William is now addressing me Mr. and my wife as Mrs. I have also noticed he is addressing other adults by Mr. & Mrs. too.

I guess you can teach adults too. 

Good job JM i like that story.  [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co

[hjmoosejaw]

Yeah,that's the thing. It's a vicious cycle. Parents have to teach their kids respect. But a lot of them don't. I can see Ken's point. You have to be careful of what you say and do anymore. You could end up in a world of trouble. Teachers can't or won't do anything. But sometimes you can't blame them. If they scold little Johnny, man his parents will be down there in a minute, asking why the teacher talked to him that way. The kids feel like they can say and do anything they want, and because of irresponsible parents not teaching them respect, they usually can.

[thatGuy]

No, I said call the cops, get down and beat some ass. I would mearly inform the police that when they arrived they would find a working man beating the shit out of some punk kid.

As far as the 'system,' its fucked but you still have the right to a jury of your peers. Provided you've done what's right your peers will agree.

[thatGuy]

Nola, die on your feet or live on your knees, your call.

[NOLA556]

Nola, die on your feet or live on your knees, your call.

I prefer to live on my feet in an area that's not totally crime ridden. I've lived in my share of nasty neighborhoods. I've lived in one neighborhood in particular that, when I tell any of my black friends that I used to live there, their jaw drops in astonishment that I'm alive. the birth of my daughter changed all that. I moved away from the city and into the burbs (of course I'd rather be totally rural by my personal wants and needs aren't the only ones at play here)

anyway, point is, those fools can murder each other all they want. you're quoting something that has to do with fighting back against government tyranny, not some dumb tough-guy punk kid. of course, employment and other circumstances may force many of us into bad areas sometimes, and I suppose there's not much you can do about that, but at the same time, you can't assume these little thugs have a conscience like you and I do. If you get into a fist fight, is your first instinct to grab a pipe or a knife and kill your opponent? I'd assume probably not. we're talking about "laying a beat-down" on people who would kill you for your pocket change. absolutely no respect for human life. no conscience. (and no, I'm not making generalizations about BLACK PEOPLE, so I ask that no one goes there. I'm talking about the kids with the rocks in Ken's story, and the like, regardless what color they are)

[Kentactic]

No, I said call the cops, get down and beat some ass. I would mearly inform the police that when they arrived they would find a working man beating the shit out of some punk kid.

As far as the 'system,' its fucked but you still have the right to a jury of your peers. Provided you've done what's right your peers will agree.

the unfourtunate flaw in your plan is that your peers are mostly ignorant, clueless, bleeding heart fools that will agree with the prosecuter that you could have just driven away to safety. that even though a minor was trying do harm to you. rather then you teach him the lesson any sane person would think he deserves you should have ran away and called the police from a safer location. YOU made the decision to insue the violence... even though he was willing to create violence the final choice to stop the car was on your hands and that makes YOU the guilty one. screw being judged by a jury of my peers...

This thread is a perfect example of that... you think it would be different when YOUR the guy that did it but yet when one of your fellow good citizens does such a thing were ready to lock him up and throw away the key like zimmerman without even hearing the damn facts... if You are this way how do you expect anyone else to act any different for you?