Unchained Preppers
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kentactic on October 19, 2012, 09:55:48 PM
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This guys really painting himself into a corner ... running out of shit to shoot... lol
.40s SUCK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gsxdk1V8i-M#ws)
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I cant deny much of what he says even though i run .40
But i will say that .40 has MUCH higher energy then a 9mm could ever dream.
165 grain .40 @ 20 yards = 434 ft/lbs
124 grain 9mm @ 20 yards = 326 ft/lbs
Those numbers are modest even giving the 9mm the SAME velocity as the .40
.40 hits harder... wether its worth it for the added recoil is up in the air but for james to say you hardly gain energy going to the .40 is silly.
My dick is TINY!!! clearly...
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And how many videos have you put out? How many years experience do you have? How many thousands of REAL "gunfighters" have you trained?
I think it is clear which one of you has the smaller penis :))
Seriously though, why the hell do you just keep bashing Yeager's vids? Either make a counter vid, or shut the hell up and stop watching his videos.
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And how many videos have you put out? How many years experience do you have? How many thousands of REAL "gunfighters" have you trained?
I think it is clear which one of you has the smaller penis :))
Seriously though, why the hell do you just keep bashing Yeager's vids? Either make a counter vid, or shut the hell up and stop watching his videos.
Ouch.... A bit ruff on the corners there ONW.
Yet, I agree with you. :))
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He sure does make some great points, though.
I run a .40 and yeah it kicks lick a mule, but it will also pack a punch with the correct ammo in it as well, maybe even harder than a 9mm.
Its going fast than a .45, but its the stop gap between that an 9mm. Its a nasty round, same with the .357 SIG, its a hot round that packs a punch. A small projectile going fast, creates a huge hyrdostatic ripping hole that closes up, but still will fuck someone up. Besides the magnums, this is as close as you're going to get to a rifle round, which more easily kills people, if the quality of the hit isn't perfect, like a head, heart, lung, neurological shot.
It was an invention to a problem that doesn't exist, but it still kicks ass and is a badass round.
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Hey man, not an appropriate time to tell someone to shut it.
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I got rid of everything .40cal nearly 10 years ago.
My shot times and accuracy are always MUCH better with 9 or .45. The clock
and the results downrange have never lied.
I wanted a S&W Shield SOOOOOO bad and they were SOOOOOO hard to get, all I could find was .40.
I said fuck it and bought one in .40, I figured it was a CCW gun, I wouldn't be shooting it for recreational purposes, I wouldn't have to stock ammo or anything.
I went to the range the day I got it, fired the 7rnd mag, got back in my car and went home.
I !!!HATED!!! it! SO damn snappy, loud and over pressured. I SWORE that if I EVER had to use that
gun in defense that MOTHERFUCKER would regret EVER being born.. If I had to use that gun I would be SO PISSED!!!
I ended up getting the 9mm version sometime later. LOVE it. Best carry gun I've ever owned.
I hate .40 in anything but a MP5.
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I went to the range the day I got it, fired the 7rnd mag, got back in my car and went home.
I !!!HATED!!! it! SO damn snappy
The only .40 I ever liked was a friend's Beretta 96 which had been modified with an aftermarket recoil spring. I almost bought and HK USP at a great price, but after firing multiple magazines through it I found I had to adjust my grip after every shot.
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And how many videos have you put out? How many years experience do you have? How many thousands of REAL "gunfighters" have you trained?
I think it is clear which one of you has the smaller penis :))
Seriously though, why the hell do you just keep bashing Yeager's vids? Either make a counter vid, or shut the hell up and stop watching his videos.
What other video's of his did i bash... i think...i could be wrong...but i think... i usually praise his video's. And im not at ALL bashing this video....
I said my penis is tiny because he said i might have a small dick if i shoot .40...
Your way off base dude sorry.
Oh and im assuming by your standard that all that you have typed is worthless garbage because it wasnt on fim right?
Since when did the written word become a pile of shit?... why must a person be a good speaker on a camera in order to have an opinion that isnt considered cowardly?
matter of fact... you make a video to respond to me on this thread quoting above on film or your a coward. Hows that sound?
Makes ZERO sense RIGHT?
Either your drunk or you just went insane... way out of left field...
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I thought saying that i cant dissagree with much of his video was enough but ill spell it out...
9MM has less recoil and thus gets rounds on target faster then a .40..
9MM costs less for ammo...
9MM has less recoil as stated above so it dosent put as much wear on the pistol....
..NO SHIT.....
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LOL sorry Ken, I just love gettin you all worked up! [url=http://yoursmiles.org/p-m
And not drunk, just a boring night at work, my bad :))
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LOL sorry Ken, I just love gettin you all worked up!
And not drunk, just a boring night at work, my bad :))
More confused then worked up lol. No worries [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
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I need a video camera.
For most situations except concealed a handgun is third choice to a rifle or carbine and is way behind the curve already (a pistol caliber smg is 2nd imo).
Follow up shots are pretty much understood but 1 or 2 vs 3 or 4 makes recovery time moot.
I sure as hell ain't tossing out my 10mm for a 9mm or an even faster on recovery time .380, .32 or .22lr (I might pick up a 9x25 barrel though).
Wear? WTF, my Ruger mk2 will in all probability out last me and it's super cheap to feed...
I would also think this guy would have an appreciation for penetration particularly car bodies, windshields, light cover, retained energy at a distance...
I also like having pretty much double the muzzle energy of a 9mm [url=http://yoursmiles.org/p-m
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For the most part, modern ammunition design is what is making speed at the muzzle, between the muzzle and target,
and at the target, less and less relevant. Most modern projectiles meant for expansion are capable of expanding at slower
speeds than older design.
Also, over the years, with rounds such as the .300 whisper, .300 fireball, 338 spectre, etc- gaining popularity, and now
SAAMI spec .300 blkout, slower/subsonic and far more frangible ammunition are just more common.
I have several types of ammunition here that are designed as such. I have several types that were designed for short barreled
rifles. The projectile wont reach the speeds once needed for deformation and fragmentation out of the shorter barrel.
Point is, muzzle velocity, terminal velocity, etc are becoming a moot point due to better technology and understanding of projectiles. Why make a big boom, heavy recoil and slower follow up if the expansion ends up the same?
Penetration of barriers or other inanimate objects? That may be another story when talking handgun rounds.
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Technique, I detect an appreciation of the popularly shunned dark side of ballistics Momentum :D
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Ya no doubt technology is making slower smaller calibers more effective and intern making a less recoil caliber more desirable due to other clear advantages from that. At the same time wether its needed or not energy is created from speed and mass and with those two variables you end up with wound channels much larger then then exapnded bullet itself. So even though a slower smaller bullet may itself as a projectile come out the same size as a faster bigger projectile the wound channel cannot be recreated without similar energy being transfered to the body.
Theres a give and take and im not going to sit here and say 9mm isnt an adequete measure of all variables because it may very well be the best measure of recoil to wound created but a 9mm will never create a wound channel like a .40 can.
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I'm not holding my breath but I'd love to see a Triton style frangible nose on a 220 grain micro whisper in a pistol.
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let me just clear this all up for you
ken's penis is fine i've seen it it's a strong 7" so leave him alone
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let me just clear this all up for you
ken's penis is fine i've seen it it's a strong 7" so leave him alone
LOL
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I am a .45 acp guy, but no irrational ill will towards the .40. Either way, Yeager is still a Twat.
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I am a .45 acp guy, but no irrational ill will towards the .40. Either way, Yeager is still a Twat.
LOL Excellent use of the word, "twat." I still can give him respect in some areas, even if I don't agree with him, even if vehemently in others.
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I don't understand why everybody are complete dicks to Yeager, he's a no bullshit type of guy. Sorry to those I insulted but go cry to your therapist :'( .40 is a little bit powerful than 9mm so can it.
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I don't understand why everybody are complete dicks to Yeager, he's a no bullshit type of guy. Sorry to those I insulted but go cry to your therapist :'( .40 is a little bit powerful than 9mm so can it.
a foot and a millimeter is a longer than one foot, but who gives a fuck its too small a difference to matter
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I suppose this wouldn't be an appropriate place to mention the 7.62x25 round? :))
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I researched it. Yeager's argument has ZERO factual basis. Look up the SAAMI pressure specs for both the 9mm and the .40. They are IDENTICAL! If you take in to account that a lot of shooters carry +p and +p+ in 9mm that further invalidates the argument. I dunno why so many listen to this puke. He is not a guru. He is a self-proclaimed self-defense ninja, nothing more. I'll bet one of his "students" was Tex Grebner. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
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I researched it. Yeager's argument has ZERO factual basis. Look up the SAAMI pressure specs for both the 9mm and the .40. They are IDENTICAL! If you take in to account that a lot of shooters carry +p and +p+ in 9mm that further invalidates the argument. I dunno why so many listen to this puke. He is not a guru. He is a self-proclaimed self-defense ninja, nothing more. I'll bet one of his "students" was Tex Grebner. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
One of his students WAS Tex Grebenr actually! LOL [url=http://yoursmiles.org/p-m
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Ya tex took yeagers fighting pistol course and then shot himself some time later.
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Ya tex took yeagers fighting pistol course and then shot himself some time later.
He took several classes from Yeager- He was all on Yeager's penis.
At one point I think James asked him to chill the fuck out. Tex kept giving bad pointers based
on what he learned and was acting like an instructor of some kind-
Skip to about 2:30 and enjoy- LOL
Tex on Tactical Response (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orEyY9dXK5U#)
I believe Tex complete the Tactical Response instructor course sometime later... and then fucking shot himself. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
In all fairness, Tex is kind of an uncoordinated and clumsy fellow, no matter what.
Exhibit (a)
Check out his ballerina act, not exactly twinkle-toe material. He is a dual pistol wielding stud for sure though.
Tactical Response Fighting Pistol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLN3XLyP2W4#ws)
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Sure is ad hominem up in here.
All pistol rounds are pretty much the same, if you put them where they need to go, they work almost identical, if you miss a vital area they are all about as equally ineffective.
9mm offers the most capacity, lowest recoil, and lowest cost per round, other rounds do not offer any significant advantage. 9mm is also the deadliest pistol round in the history of the planet. Oh, and when you shoot 5,000-10,000 rounds a year, 18 cents a round compared to 30-35 cents a round is a big difference.
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35% more energy isnt a significant advantage? If 9mm is the most deadly round on the planet then the gang members beloved .22lr is the second most... but i aint shooting that crap... Again nothing wrong with 9mm but no need to say crazy things to make it sound even better lol... 9mm is good because it costs less recoils less and still usually carries enough energy to do what you want it to do. It is not the end all be all of ballistic science. It is not a magical round that kills better despite much less energy. Its less effective ballistically but the other advantages simply make up for it.
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last time i heard the most common weapon used in murders is a S&W 38 revolver
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I'll shoot anyone with any round available to me. I won't will because of the gun or the round-
I'll win because of my dedication to training.
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You can kill someone with a .22, straight to the heart or brain.
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You can kill someone with a .22, straight to the heart or brain.
Do you recommend i carry a .22lr as a sidearm?
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You can kill someone with a .22, straight to the heart or brain.
I lived in East Oakland for 7 years. I wouldn't leave my house to walk 100yards to
the liquor store without packin'. At the time, CCW in that area was nonexistent and not
an option- I valued my life more that catching a misdemeanor though.
The smallest gun I had at the time was a Walther P22- it was better than not having a gun at all. You bet I'd have used it of I had to-
I have another Oakland story- I saw a guy get gunned down not more than 20ft from me by a
guy with a .22. The guy ended up living, but he was pretty much begging to die , he was is so much pain. All looked to be poorly placed shots, the best being abdominal.
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You can kill someone with a .22, straight to the heart or brain.
Do you recommend i carry a .22lr as a sidearm?
No, not unless you're James Jaeger, of course I kid. I don't know anybody who is that good. I don't consider it a proper offensive or defensive round out of a pistol. Out of a rifle and a decent scope, silenced, it could make for a nasty headshot weapon within 100 yards to be honest. It sucks in just about every category, but the few I mentioned.
It sucks at barrier penetration, it sucks at size and speed, but I'd rather have a .22lr on my instead of nothing at all. I've heard many spies use a tiny .22lr, because its better than having nothing, especially when in a foreign country where firearms are difficult to come by, and you have to deep deep conceal.
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the 22lr isn't very good at anything
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I would like to add to the discussion. The 9mm might be the deadliest pistol round on the PLANET (that is only 'cuz it is NATO standardized and so ubiquitous) but the centerfire handgun round that has filled the most bodybags in the US is...drum roll please...
The .38 Special. [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
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I wonder what caliber has killed the most people, shot/death ratio... talking about the body counts worthless unless you add in the survival count. The flu kills 30,000 americans a year but im not going to carry a bottle of the virus as my self defense weapon.
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I would probably say 7.62x39 only because of the sheer amount of weapons and ammo sent world wide. Other than that. I would safely say the short sword.
Dudes, Its an easy fight to win...this caliber argument BS is stupid.
Pick what you want and get good with it. I chose 9mm for its properties. It does the job, Fast follow ups, high capacity, cheap bullet. I'm a prepper & I'm usually broke. The money I pay, I like to get a lot for. If it shorts me out " 35% more pressure " Then so be it. That is a risk I'm willing to take. I'm also prepping for not only my self but my family. If I struggle with .40 due to its snap. I know my wife will. And my kid when he gets into handguns.
9mm will do for now. ( Keep in mind that does not stop me from having a 45 on hand, or a 454 Casull for that matter ) You guys get my point.
Pick your poison. And like Tech said. TRAINING is key.
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Ahahhaaa! Tex Grebner.. what a douche.
Dude is totally qualified to instruct, hell I learned everything there is to know about shooting yourself from him!
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the 22lr isn't very good at anything
Bullshit. If for not other thing it is cheap, and suppressed, it is very quiet subsonic. If put in the right place, it is deadly.
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If I had to guess, 7.62 x 39 would probably be the round who has killed most people out of all rounds, and mostly probably out of AK47's. Its just a guess. I'd love to be proved wrong, so I would know for sure. It would be a great factoid to know.
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You can kill someone with a .22, straight to the heart or brain.
I lived in East Oakland for 7 years. I wouldn't leave my house to walk 100yards to
the liquor store without packin'. At the time, CCW in that area was nonexistent and not
an option- I valued my life more that catching a misdemeanor though.
The smallest gun I had at the time was a Walther P22- it was better than not having a gun at all. You bet I'd have used it of I had to-
I have another Oakland story- I saw a guy get gunned down not more than 20ft from me by a
guy with a .22. The guy ended up living, but he was pretty much begging to die , he was is so much pain. All looked to be poorly placed shots, the best being abdominal.
Carrying a weapon was only a misdemeanor? How long ago was this?
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Unless you're in a school zone or in the commission of a felony or something like that, circumstances depending-
As far as I know concealed weapon (PC ? 12025) is only a misdemeanor in the state of Ca. , again depending.
If it changed, and it could because of all the UOC/OC, it was recently.
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I think for the first offense of being found carrying a concealed weapon without a license should be a misdemeantor everywhere, in fact, I don't think there should be any licenses to carry a firearm at all, but then again, that is very idealistic of me, but that's the way I feel about it. I think all those yummy NFA items should be 100 percent legal to keep and bear as well, and of course, that's very idealistic of me as well. I believe in freedom and liberty, it sucks to not have it.
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its a misdemeanor here too, cops dont even take your gun
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If its a misdemeanor my friend wants to know if that means jail time in CA
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If its a misdemeanor my friend wants to know if that means jail time in CA
Not likely. You may be arrested and booked, likely released quickly (24hrs). That would likely be up to the officer and the
circumstances in which you were found in possession of a concealed firearm.
Dude, some traffic offenses can be a misdemeanor instead of an infraction in Ca. Most people don't sit in jail
for a single misdemeanor offense.
I have a Lawyer, so would I see jail?- NO. Is it possible I'd spend a night in jail?-Yes.
I suggest you, as a Californian and gunowner, get yourself a gun specific lawyer and take their advice. I'm not a Lawyer.
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In Georgia, an officer can take you to jail and book you FOR ANY misdemeanor traffic violation, or ANY minor misdemanor violation on our books. Its really fucked up.
Like in many States, I would much rather have just a simple low priced ticket for these simple misdemeanors instead of the LEO to have the authority to ARREST you for such a small infraction, if he wants to, becaue he wants to ruin you financially and screw up you days as well.
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The centerfire rifle cartridge that has the highest bodybag count in the world IS the 7.62 x 39, but I was referring to a HANDGUN cartridge (centerfire) which is responsible for the most deaths in America.
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If its a misdemeanor my friend wants to know if that means jail time in CA
Not likely. You may be arrested and booked, likely released quickly (24hrs). That would likely be up to the officer and the
circumstances in which you were found in possession of a concealed firearm.
Dude, some traffic offenses can be a misdemeanor instead of an infraction in Ca. Most people don't sit in jail
for a single misdemeanor offense.
I have a Lawyer, so would I see jail?- NO. Is it possible I'd spend a night in jail?-Yes.
I suggest you, as a Californian and gunowner, get yourself a gun specific lawyer and take their advice. I'm not a Lawyer.
Good stuff tech ill let my friend know, thanks [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
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So it seems a Misdemeaner is punishable by 5 days - 1 year in jail, Felonies are 1 year or more and Infractions are 5 days or less in jail. This is the Federal definition, local and state definitions may vary.
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Looks like techs correct. Its a misdemeaner in CA to illegally conceal a loaded gun.
Penalties, Punishment, and Sentencing for
Violating California's "Carrying a Loaded Firearm
in Public" Law
Absent aggravating circumstances, carrying a loaded firearm in a vehicle or on your person is a misdemeanor. If convicted of this offense, you face
informal (otherwise known as "summary") probation,
up to one year in a county jail, and
a maximum $1,000 fine.23
When there are aggravating factors, those circumstances elevate the misdemeanor to a "wobbler" or to a straight felony. A "wobbler" is an offense that prosecutors can file as either a misdemeanor or a felony, depending on (1) the circumstances of the offense, and (2) your criminal history.
If your in a street gang, are a prior Felon, or the guns stolen it is an automatic felony charge.
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35% more energy isnt a significant advantage? If 9mm is the most deadly round on the planet then the gang members beloved .22lr is the second most... but i aint shooting that crap... Again nothing wrong with 9mm but no need to say crazy things to make it sound even better lol... 9mm is good because it costs less recoils less and still usually carries enough energy to do what you want it to do. It is not the end all be all of ballistic science. It is not a magical round that kills better despite much less energy. Its less effective ballistically but the other advantages simply make up for it.
It isn't the "best" pistol round in terms of ballistics, it's just that the other rounds are only marginally better, if at all, to not justify their disadvantages.
9mm HAS killed more people than any other pistol round, and I would bet more than all other pistol rounds currently in service combined.
The only thing that really matters is putting the bullet through a spot on your target that either causes instant incapacitation, or causes the target to choose to stop doing whatever caused it to be shot in the first place. So no, more energy isn't really an advantage as long as it can penetrate enough. All pistol rounds are not guaranteed to penetrate into the human body either, bulllets being deflected by bone, especially the skull, of all calibers is not unheard of.
If you want to talk about the benefits of more modern ammo, like .40, or .357sig, it's not due to higher muzzle velocities or anything like that, it's because they where more often thought out with the intention of making them as JHP, where as 9mm and .45acp where never intended to be made into anything but FMJ.