Unchained Preppers
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: special-k on February 07, 2012, 11:09:25 PM
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It seems that Dave Sarti, YT's "dsarti1," (also appearing in Nat Geo's "Doomsday Preppers,") has really stirred a hornet's nest with this one.
EDIT: Because he has removed the video, I'll sum it up here...
He advocates "poisoning" a small (secretly marked for ID by owner) portion in each food cache....so that in the event he is overrun by thugs or 'gun preppers', he will have the last laugh from the grave.
What do y'all think?
Poisoning Your Food on Purpose (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnKOU5wSD0w#)
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I like the idea.
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You better know damn well what your issueing out to people. That and that shit better be locked up tighter than fort knoxx from the community & family.
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I dont really pay attention to Dave but I don't think he is the brightest guy at times. I bet he'll end up poisoning himself and those that hunker down with him.
I wont poison my food stores.
Side Note: I think that is a waste of food. Poisoning it ahead of time and it is useless to raiders and yourself. Poisoning food when raiders arrive is a waste of reaction time.
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Imagine if you will that you are sitting in the kitchen starving to death looking at 35lbs of wheat that has be poisoned.
Fuck that noise. Dude is a dipshit.
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[img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
Edited since I admittedly rushed to judgment.
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so retarded he pulled the video down. :P
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Come on guys its not that bad of an idea.
Think revenge from the grave.
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Dave=Otis on the second season The Walking Dead. Sorry, hold that. Otis didn't really deserve the bullet in the knee cap. Dave on the other hand........
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So was he advocating poisoning food to give out to people who may be hostile or something?
I mean why wouldn't you just have some poison, than if you needed to poison some food, you could use it, if not, than you don't have to stare at poisoned food while starving like thatguy said?
Dsarti always seemed like he might be a few frys short of a happy meal.
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Its the same concept as over charging some ammo.
If you lose and they take your shit. Eventually they are going to hit those unlucky rounds.
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He is worried about food.....of course he is, I mean, look at him! If he was a true prepper, he wouldn't be that damn big. I mean, even retreathell@youtube is paralyzed from the waist down but he isn't some giant glob. All the poisoning of the food is gonna do is waste food. Didn't he say he was caching this stuff anyway? Who would find it to begin with? Really stupid ideas from the big D.
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Fuck that fat Fuck........ [img]http://www.smileydesign.n
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You guys should be ashamed of your self... [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at He is still part of the community even if you disagree with some of his idea's doesn't mean you should just disregard all of what he has to input.
Some of you guys make me not even want to be part of this community... what happened to unity and all that
( apparent )
Horseshit?
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I poison some of my food stores, dont use cynide though. Castor beans and pinto beans look alot alike and if your not looking for them you will never notice them. Ingesting 2 beans will kill an adult in about 3 very painful days.
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What happened Reaver? That fucker (you to Turkey) could well kill us all with that poisoned food shit.
So what about if he gets his stupid self killed being dumb and some honest people stumble upon his stock?
What he is advocating is irresponsible and boarderline criminal.
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funny thing... I didn't get this video in my YT feed because I just unsubbed him a couple weeks ago.. lol! good riddance. of course he's the new face of prepping for natgeo... did they ditch SP1 or is he coming back? he's the only one on natgeo that's worth a shit.
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I'm not real big on the poison your food idea. If I buy it or grow it I plan to use it. If someone or group is able to take it away from me and the people in our group then he is one bad MF or extremely lucky. More power to him if he gets by me he's probably going to be a survivor.
I don't feel the need to get even or for revenge. For what? The strong, the clever, and the determined will survive if things ever go to total crap.
Your basically talking about a booby trap. Those are notorious for getting the wrong people anyway.
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Imagine if you will that you are sitting in the kitchen starving to death looking at 35lbs of wheat that has be poisoned.
Fuck that noise. Dude is a dipshit.
That's my thinking. Why in the hell would you waste and destroy part of your own food stores like this? You may need that food one day.
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The beans have a specific date on them so there I know exactly which ones they are. I doing this in the event I get over ran and have to get out I will take as much of my food as i can. Then a week later move back in and probe the area and hopefully be able to move back in with out too much of a fight.
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After learning a little more about the situation I will say that I have some understanding of WHY he would do what he talked about. That doesn't excuse him in my mind or make me retract the full retard comment. I still think the way that he presented this, and the substance of the message were way out of frakkin line for someone that is going on NatGeo and supposed to be a "role model prepper". Not to mention that the guy looked beyond bat shit crazy while making the video...
I know the man's got hater's, most of us do but especially the ones that put themselves under the hottest spotlight. I don't think he should have made the video in the first place, all he did was fan the flames and make himself look like a total douche in the process. He should have just let it be and have the last laugh when the SHTF came. I haven't been subbed to him in a long time and shit like this is the reason why. He may be an alright guy and put out some good info, but I didn't feel the need for him to take up more of my sub box anymore.
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The beans have a specific date on them so there I know exactly which ones they are. I doing this in the event I get over ran and have to get out I will take as much of my food as i can. Then a week later move back in and probe the area and hopefully be able to move back in with out too much of a fight.
I'm not saying you are wrong WTurkey. People are going to do what they are going to do. I just look at it differently.
If I'm over run and am forced to abandon my bol those involved are classified as a continuing threat in my mind. Remove the threat. I'll track them, snipe them, ambush them, attempt to have them look for me on my terms. They won't be able to relieve themselves, eat , or sleep without wondering if they are in that moment in my cross hairs until they are no longer a threat.
It's not about revenge, it's about removing the threat. One way to accomplish that would be to poison the food. That's just not the way I choose because of the potential unintended consequences. I'm big on attempting to control all situations as much as possible. I would know what I poisoned. Others who weren't a threat probably wouldn't.
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When I do it those in my group will know what bags have the castor beans in them. When i say group im not talking about my community. Each member of my group will be expected to share in cooking so I will make sure they know what is what. I have a place set up in the house I will be at that we can hide all the safe food that we cant carry out, leaving just the beans for the invaders to chow down on. A week later I can come back and most of if not all of the threat will be gone.
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When you poison your food you are basically giving the go ahead for murder, not self defense. The only exception I give is when you absolutely know you will be overrun and your gonna give them nothing but misery when the get to your stores, in which case, all available food left, must be destroyed or poisoned, but this scenario is very unlikely due to time. The idea of poisoning food ahead of time could be detrimental, as one day you may need it for yourself, and two, if you are poisoning food already cached somewhere, how are they gonna find it in the first place?
This just goes beyond reason for me personally, as the likelihood of you killing someone after you are gone, is high and in which case, makes you a murderer.
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He refers to Bisonhawk but also points out dsarti. EPIC VIDEO!
poisoning your soul !!!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7swVcDfVQw#)
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shallnot is a badass. great channel.
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Murder?
Borderline Criminal?
WROL
Without Rule Of Law
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Murder?
Borderline Criminal?
WROL
Without Rule Of Law
by this logic, you're implying that preppers/patriots, whatever you call yourself (assuming you hold yourself to a higher standard than a sheep) aren't called to operate by any moral code.
double-u-are-oh-ell... meaning there's no law... meaning that we can all just run amok just like the sheep? not trying to troll you or anything reaver but IMHO this is just a BS way of looking at things.
right right, fight to win by whatever means necessary. even if it's revenge from beyond the grave. it's cool when incorporated into an action movie plot, but not when you end up killing the innocent children of the asshole that managed to overrun and take your position. anyone think of that possibility? sure, fuck the wolf (or pack of wolves) that defeated you. they aren't the ones that I feel bad for when they eat old dsarti's poison berries. it's the possible innocent entities that those wolves may be toting around. or let's say that you decide that things are bad enough to abandon ship and bug-out on foot, and some random passers-by happen upon your place and find your stash of poisoned goodies? what about them?
If we're doing shit like that, then why don't we just go ahead and pull the trigger on any/every poor soul that is unfortunate enough to unwittingly pass through our AO's?
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Who os this guy on the vid ???? Never sen him before
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doesnt matter anymore, he has been declared mentally insane
No more Prepping for Me (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUv9pjxq5QI#)
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doesnt matter anymore, he has been declared mentally insane
Gee, I wonder why?
Seriously though that does suck. Parlusk put up a video hoping to rally some kind of support for David to turn things around.
*I wonder if posting videos on the internet about putting Cyanide on his food will come back to haunt him.
*You think the media will catch wind of this? "NatGeo 'Doomsday Prepper' declared mentally insane by the state"
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doesnt matter anymore, he has been declared mentally insane
Gee, I wonder why?
Seriously though that does suck. Parlusk put up a video hoping to rally some kind of support for David to turn things around.
*I wonder if posting videos on the internet about putting Cyanide on his food will come back to haunt him.
*You think the media will catch wind of this? "NatGeo 'Doomsday Prepper' declared mentally insane by the state"
you kinda touched on what i thinl we are all thinking.
Isn't it kinda convenient that his special airs and now something happens??????
I think that show is a great way to target preppers.. its an easy way to research them without drawing suspicions and now thanks to the NDAA. They can lock them up or have something " happen " to them
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Here's a movie clip that portrays the logical fallacy assumed by Sarti's doctor and judge...
Pimps Don't Commit Suicide (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0IexZXHyCE#)
Just in case you still don't get it, I'll explain:
A pimp is egotistical and completely self-involved.
A prepper is a survivalist, which by definition must be very self-involved.
The very nature of the personality and life mission of a pimp (and prepper/survivalist) is by default, completely contradictory of suicide.
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doesnt matter anymore, he has been declared mentally insane
No more Prepping for Me ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUv9pjxq5QI#[/url])
Well that sucks. Shows how quickly they can ruin your life if they want to.
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Even though I disagree with his cyanide theory, I did sign the petition going around to dismiss the charge against him. I hope everything works out well for him.
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Guys, what you don't realize is that this could be any one of us. The government could do this to any one of us, at any time that they choose.
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Guys, what you don't realize is that this could be any one of us. The government could do this to any one of us, at any time that they choose.
Yup seen it before. And they use sand paper for "lube"...
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Yes it could be any one of use who is stupid enough to say some dumb shit about how life isn't worth living anymore in front of a doctor.
What happened to Dave sucks but it is his own doing. It isn't because of YouTube, it isn't NDAA or SOPA it was DOPE... Dave is a dope.
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Yes it could be any one of use who is stupid enough to say some dumb shit about how life isn't worth living anymore in front of a doctor.
What happened to Dave sucks but it is his own doing. It isn't because of YouTube, it isn't NDAA or SOPA it was DOPE... Dave is a dope.
A great demonstration of your carpenter skills. You hit the nail on the head. It is a sad situation. But he did unintentionally create it by his own mouth.
Edit: It will be used against the prepper community when it gets out because of his new found celebrity status.
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Im glad some of u find it as much bull as I do.
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Yes it could be any one of use who is stupid enough to say some dumb shit about how life isn't worth living anymore in front of a doctor.
What happened to Dave sucks but it is his own doing. It isn't because of YouTube, it isn't NDAA or SOPA it was DOPE... Dave is a dope.
This time you're right, but I have seen guys that all they did was speak out and they had the FULL UNABATED force of the system brought down on them to shut them up and intimidate others to silence. He was frustrated and unfortunately said some stuff ON CAMERA and to the wrong people that he shouldn't have. That is not grounds for what happened, he is a grown man and should not be railroaded for being human.
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Well I didn't particularly care for Dave and already thought he was kind of crazy, but I never thought I'd see him declared insane. His situation is actually a disturbing trend growing within our nation. For the sake of educating you guys I'll share a little something personal. About 2 weeks ago my little sister got raped. Now, not to play it down, but it is the second time this has happened and been reported to the police. Not the same guy either. Right after it happened she went to the hospital and they examined her. Well they pretty much traumatized her really. She finished up and was ready leave when they called in some sort of social worker. She said they talked and said she thought she'd be good to go, but she had to check with her supervisor first. Next thing she knows the lady comes back and says they're going to put her on a suicide watch. ??? She started arguing with the lady and her supervisor and they tell her if she doesn't submit she could be put in a holding cell and possibly commited. Now, I don't know about Dave's situation, but judging from my sisters there's something going on. Weird thing is the last time this happened was just a year ago and there was no issue even remotely like this. She was taken care of, questioned, and sent home of her own will. Stuff like this makes me not want to bother going to a hospital, doctor, or anything else.
*Edit- Also found out tonight they forced her to take over 20 pills. She refused to take them until she knew what they were and they said she wasn't authorized to know and could be held until she took them all. So they had two "sitters" watch her until she took all the pills. She took 2 hours to down them all and still has no idea what they were for. Only in America does the rape victim get treated like the criminal. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
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Yes it could be any one of use who is stupid enough to say some dumb shit about how life isn't worth living anymore in front of a doctor.
What happened to Dave sucks but it is his own doing. It isn't because of YouTube, it isn't NDAA or SOPA it was DOPE... Dave is a dope.
:)) I agree, that is some real dumb shit to say to your doctor. What an idiot. I don't think he came right out and said it in his video, but did he actually say, "My life is not worth living anymore?????" I know he said some stupid things about his heart and how he was going to put a bag or sheet over his head or something, but like he said, he and the doctor were both laughing about it. I'm sure he thought it was all a joke.
Obviously, the doctor decided to be the stasi and turn his ass in.
I agree, though, if he actually plain faced without a smile or laugh or anything, said that "My life is no longer worth living, anymore." Then yeah he deserved everything that was coming to him, and probably should be under 24 hour watch for suicide. That shits not cool at all.
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And now we get in to, "Who (has the power to) decides who lives or dies"...
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Well the libertarian in me, says that any human being has the right to take their own life at any time of their choosing, but I will say, that's about the dumbest thing you can do, and not to mention what that would do to your family and friends, if you have any. :)) Its simply the most selfish act that I believe one person can take, especially not taking into account people that truly love you.
On top of that, how about people that depended on you in WROL if it ever happens? You're letting them all down by your decision to leave.
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Well I didn't particularly care for Dave and already thought he was kind of crazy, but I never thought I'd see him declared insane. His situation is actually a disturbing trend growing within our nation. For the sake of educating you guys I'll share a little something personal. About 2 weeks ago my little sister got raped. Now, not to play it down, but it is the second time this has happened and been reported to the police. Not the same guy either. Right after it happened she went to the hospital and they examined her. Well they pretty much traumatized her really. She finished up and was ready leave when they called in some sort of social worker. She said they talked and said she thought she'd be good to go, but she had to check with her supervisor first. Next thing she knows the lady comes back and says they're going to put her on a suicide watch. ??? She started arguing with the lady and her supervisor and they tell her if she doesn't submit she could be put in a holding cell and possibly commited. Now, I don't know about Dave's situation, but judging from my sisters there's something going on. Weird thing is the last time this happened was just a year ago and there was no issue even remotely like this. She was taken care of, questioned, and sent home of her own will. Stuff like this makes me not want to bother going to a hospital, doctor, or anything else.
geez dude [img]http://www.smileydesign.n
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I think its important to note as well, that David clearly stated in his last video that he had nothing to live or prep for now that he couldn't defend himself or his property. That he would sell or give away his dogs. Now, it is apparent, that if he was suicidal it would be because of this and its aftermath. I don't think he will, but the situation has been created for that possibility strictly based upon the decision making a few individuals. This is messed up and a clear violation of his constitutional rights, hell his God given rights! Now you can't even go to the doctor without risking your rights as an individual anymore.
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*Dons tin foil hat* You could argue that setting things up like this, if someone wanted to make "prepping" look like a mental disorder that leads to suicide...
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ohh wow... dsarti is pretty out there and all.. but if the story he told in that video is 100% accurate... infuriating. sure, the dude should have kept his mouth shut to the doctor, but in no way does that somehow give the authority to the state to completely shut his entire life down. guess what... if I wanna off myself, I DON'T NEED A FUCKING GUN! anyone ever seen a bridge before? and how do you have the nerve to tell someone that it's "illegal" to off himself anyway? IMHO, ANYTHING that only harms oneself, and no one else but oneself, should be NO BUSINESS OF THE STATE! to quote Michael Badnarik: "if I want to burn my own house down, why can't I? IT'S MY HOUSE!"
fuck this pisses me off in a major way. I don't even like dsarti, he's a total goober, but he doesn't deserve what has happened to him. no one does.
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Well David has really made the big time now! He's now on prison planet!
http://www.prisonplanet.com/prepper-declared-mentally-defective-put-on-fbi-list.html (http://www.prisonplanet.com/prepper-declared-mentally-defective-put-on-fbi-list.html)