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Triangular homestead arrangment
« on: September 26, 2012, 01:48:20 AM »
I've got about an 80' distance from the house to the barn and have started thinking about dragging an old 40' 1950s travel trailer over now and making an 80' triangle of structures for defensive purposes. My thinking is along the lines of running field fence between the structures and obscuring the inside area from observation when the need arises. An outer surrounding fence line is on my mind also. Having an unobservable way out of a structure and being able to let a dog out to "scout" the outer fence while remaining concealed seems just too good a procedure to pass up. The ability to house additional eyes and fingers makes sense for security too. Good spot to keep vehicles or other valuable equipment/material inside of too.
Seems like this may be a possibility for some of you as even a couple of sheds could be used this way. Already considered the height of field fence and would just run it 1 and a half high. I have more than enough used fence, privacy screen, sheet steel, roof tin, and poly sheet to make it work if I had to do it tomorrow. Reinforcing the walls of the buildings is gonna be tougher but it time and materials may be available soon.

What would you all add ?

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Re: Triangular homestead arrangment
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2012, 09:19:06 AM »
I would add that you need to think about enfilade fire from a defilade position.

Your home is your castle and I understand that idea but maybe the best course of action would be to prepare layered fighting positions well away from the homestead. That way you could fight by leaps and bounds from hole to hole both being pushed back and giving chase rather than letting the boogie man get all the way to the house.

I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.

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Re: Triangular homestead arrangment
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2012, 12:25:17 PM »
i read this and the saying "the less they see, the less you see" came to mind, now thats not always true, but if you have a bunch of trailers and such obscuring a wood line(?) anyone worth there salt can run a successful recon and find dead space to get close.

now i like the triangle idea, but id give OCOKA a real good twice or three times over, from the inside and out. 

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Re: Triangular homestead arrangment
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2012, 06:19:57 AM »
Or you could just dig a giant moat.
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Re: Triangular homestead arrangment
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2012, 09:16:47 AM »
IMO the 'fort mentality' is flawed. One, two or more attackers with scoped high power rifles would make your life hell! Just ask Randy Weaver at his homestead at Ruby Ridge in Idaho.

Not to add on what TG & Chesty which I 100% agree with; your best defense is a good offense (Sorry for the over used phrase). Daily patrols are whats going to keep your homestead safe. Augmented with sound or light producing booby traps to help identify approaching 2 legged critters.

If you use sound or light approaching booby traps with a piece of mono-filament line or thread, keep it high enough so deer don't trigger the devise. Please do not ask me to explain how I know  :-[

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Re: Triangular homestead arrangment
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2012, 03:17:22 PM »
unless you have like a platoon size group, you not gona have very good security, its just not gona happen..but you can do stuff to help out.

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Re: Triangular homestead arrangment
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2012, 11:43:50 PM »
unless you have like a platoon size group, you not gona have very good security, its just not gona happen..but you can do stuff to help out.

This^ is a big part of the situation.
I try to look and plan realistically and right now I have three trigger pullers here, I'm not going to be able, inclined nor foolish enough to think I can build a forward operating base. I have some neighbors and am comfortable with the potential of the community and am not on an edge or exposed seriously but am considering making a more difficult to observe concealed area for entry and exit and as a security precaution like stated in my original post. As for the patrolling it will occur but I hope most of it will be as part of the community/tribe and well out of my personal perimeter (24 hr patrols on property are unrealistic without reason).

As for existing defenses like a few spider holes and so far one very nice dug in position, they already exist along with some nice concealed exit routes all but the holes clearly observable for me (yes I'm aware of the hole problem and will address that with some clever engineering). Making me and friends difficult to observe places me in a more secure point if something were to land in my lap so to speak.

 "Best defense is a good offense" Abso f n lutly but I doubt even a dedicated professional squad could pull off 100 percent observation, patrol and interdiction over what may come to be measured in months initially. An honest man has to work for a living and just by making the "compound" very difficult to even observe will provide some deterrence or take out some momentum should things get rough (not knowing what waits inside or even the layout).

 Deer and other game setting off alert traps will be unlikely in the area, tasty animals are hard to come by already, too many country boys with .22 mags and a healthy disrespect for game laws.

 Keeping an obscured area (inside the triangle) for peace of mind while working on what may be more repair and fabrication work than I care for will do wonders for production.

I'm not thinking of a castle here, too many examples of them becoming funeral pyres come to mind. Just a tough and painful to peel onion (compound) with a disappearing juicy core (me) is more what I'm shooting for.

Got to work on my homemade hydraulic cylinder black powder cannon collection. Did you all know they aren't firearms according to the revenuers and legal in Florida to boot? Gotta be careful with them though, they blow right thru a shrubbery like it wasn't there.

Night patrols and more than a few day observations looking in and out are on the absolute must do list if built for feeling out the weak points.

Been chewing this over for the past few days, making notes and am more comfortable with it than I'm currently set up just on the concealed center area bonus alone. Burying a line from one of the wells to the center is on the list now as well as a water tank in there. The fence between the structures is a lot of free vertical square footage for pole beans and a solar drying rack can be placed and attended inside the area with minimal footage use. While the natural pond will not be in there I can bring the fish in clean, smoke and or dry them and at least be watched over from the barn while cast netting them (tilapia maybe). The barn has an  excellent field of view due to its height but could use a few loopholes and spot hardening, just having someone up there listening and observing with glass makes me more comfortable thinking about working inside an obscured area. Picking up a homeless mutt up to run the property around the triangle will probably be well worth feeding. Spiking the approach and changing the drive in spike pattern regularly will take a lot of piss out of most vehicle crashers. Contemplating some tangle foot...

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Re: Triangular homestead arrangment
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2012, 10:19:30 AM »
Colombo, I applaud you taking the time to critique your present situation and then planning to make things better. 

Rather than criticize your plan (s) let me tell you a little about my situation in hopes that others will share too.

My first inkling was to fortify my BOL similar to what was done in the book Patriots by James Rawles. A friend of my brother who is ex Army Ranger was up at the cabin one weekend and very quickly deflated my balloon. In about 120 seconds he told me what he would do if he and several like minded individuals would do, if they really wanted our cabin - Basically it was to lay siege with high powered scoped rifles and a little gasoline.

The plan at 10,000 feet:
He asked to see a topo map which I produced and he pointed out that there was only three ways onto / off of the mountain. Two could easily be controlled at choke points and one was a old dirt road where the bridge was out that had ran across a good sized creek.

He went on to suggest we get to know everybody on the mountain on a first name basis so:

> Folks knew who we were and wouldn't shoot us if we approached their house in a SHTF scenario
> Evaluate our neighbors, e.g. mind set, abilities (Old Vs. young), friendliness, etc
> Post the "neighbor evaluation process", solicit some of their help prepping the mountain for SHTF

Once SHTF happens set up a 2-3 person teams at the choke points on the road. Then set up booby traps on the known deer paths or old logging roads with noise or flare alerts. Then patrol using 2-3 man patrols 24/7.

Last, he felt that in an initial SHTF scenario we would not be visited by any refugees for quite awhile due to our remote location. If any refugees did come they would easily be turned away at the choke points. Some more hearty types may try the deer paths or old logging roads but hopefully the booby traps and / or patrols would pick them up.

I think that once the initial SHTF passes it is time to work towards moving our lines of defense out past the mountain to around the town (Currently all of 2,000 people). There are five main roads into town plus the old railway so that's seven. If I / we could get the buy-in of the towns people to throw in together, we could set up other choke points and draft more folks for patrols and basically repeat our plan for the mountain.

Both plans revolve around able bodies though. Not unlike the challenges you are having Columbo. As you know three shooters in theory will not be enough. 

So, what is your plan Straight Prep?     




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Re: Triangular homestead arrangment
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2012, 01:06:37 AM »
I love threads like this.   :D

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Re: Triangular homestead arrangment
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2012, 09:48:41 AM »
and running patrols with no coms can become very bad, with no "front line trace" you might have a blue on blue incident...if this was the case i sure as shit wouldnt run more than 1 patrol at a time. setting up a PACE (primary alternate contingency and emergency)  for signaling will be your bread and butter here..IE P-pen flare A-orange cloth on a rock (thrown) C-????? E-??????

a ranger handbook is a must have gents you can learn so much.

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Re: Triangular homestead arrangment
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2012, 10:10:37 AM »
Very good point Chesty, communication is a MUST!

Heck, when my brother and I hunt we have communication - We use FRS radios. We communicate just by keying the mike.

X amount of clicks means:

XXXXX Danger / Moving towards your stand
XXXX   Deer moving towards you / Hunter moving towards you
XXX     At stand /  Going back to the cabin
XX       No /  It sucks
X         Yes / You there

Rudimentary, but yet it works  :))

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Re: Triangular homestead arrangment
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2012, 03:23:48 PM »
For us poor people the pdf file of the ranger handbook (300+ pages) can be downloaded onto your smart phone or computer in 5 mins for free. All info will be lost when the power goes out of course but atleast you can read it now.
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Re: Triangular homestead arrangment
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2012, 03:30:49 PM »
As far as my defense plans. They are to not have any set plans. I have many scenarios planned in my head but i wont know what to do until i see whats going on. Ill adjust my plans based on the behavior of the people. Im inside the hornets nest so ill let them tell me how to act. Theres no way i can kill them all without getting stung.
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Re: Triangular homestead arrangment
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2012, 08:51:34 PM »
Ken. do you have the link for the book?
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« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2012, 08:32:23 AM »
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