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Last Resort: Make Primers at Home
« on: September 03, 2012, 12:34:27 AM »
There is probably any easier way to do this, and there is probably a better compound you could use, so by all means, use your imagination and feel free to add to this thread.  Please do your own research on the matter.  This is just a primer, pun intended. 

For those of you who question this tactic:

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I think this tactic would be better used in a time when we, as normal citizens, will not legally be able to purchase and prep a lot of primers.  If they are hard to get, even from tactical requisition, but you can pick up these strike anywhere matches at the store without anybody even batting an eye.  (Not in a complete SHTF, everything has gone to crap scenario and you can't even buy or find matches anywhere, and you certainly cannot find cartridges for sale) Even right now, like lets say you're able to prep 100,000 primers over the next 10 years (a lifetime amount for you) before something bad happens, you'll probably catch a lot of unwanted attention over the next 10 years, doing so.  (*cough*.gov)  That's more or less what we are talking about.  Not RIGHT NOW, when buying primers is still very legal in most States.  THIS IS DESCRIBING A LAST RESORT SITUATION.  Just wanted to make that perfectly crystal clear.  It just goes to show that NOTHING is impossible if you aren't afraid of a lot of hard work, a lot of imagination, innovation and adaptation.  Where there is a will, there is a way. 


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I can't remember if I've wrote on this before on STRAIGHTPREP, so forgive me if I have, as I probably did a better job.  It closely follows exactly what I have read in other homemade firearms and ammo manuals and I've heard from many different people.  It won't produce primers as good as the CCI's that I buy, but it would be better than nothing.  Just buy a whole ton of matches that contain the correct compound, or just buy the compound by itself in bulk, and save yourself a lot of time, if you can.  (Do your own research to find out the exact name of the "Chlorinated Compound.")  But you know, its probably got government red tape all around it, I'm sure, if you try and buy it in bulk, but ya never know.  Its worth a try.  I'll also provide anything that Ammosmith.com says, because EHow usually gets things wrong in a least a few places.

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How to Make Primers for Cartridges
By Ann Tiller, eHow Contributor

Tips & Warnings

1. Wear safety goggles (and SAFETY GLOVES THAT ARE FIRE RETARDANT) when doing this project.

2. You can reload primer, but keep in mind that the results are unpredictable. Caution must be used at all times.

3. This information should only be used as a last resort for handgun cartridges. Due to the extreme pressure experienced, it is not recommended for rifle cartridges.

You can make your own primer to refill handgun cartridges. However, according to the folks at Ammosmith.com, it is recommended that you only do so as a last resort when necessary in a survival situation. Due to the nature of the materials being used, handle them with extreme caution. Wear safety goggles, and work a safe distance away from other flammable materials.

Instructions

1. Extract the anvil out of the fired primer. Using the multipurpose tool, gently hold the primer cup and carefully pull out any old primer with a metal pick. Place the primer cup on a hard, flat surface. Examine the case carefully to ensure there are no defects. For safety's sake, defective cups must be discarded. Keep the anvil with the cup.
       
2. Insert the point of the star-tipped driver into the primer cup and tap very gently with the plastic mallet to remove the slight protrusion inside. Insert the flat-tipped screwdriver into the primer cup to clean out any remains of the previously used primer material. To minimize any undesirable results, get the cup as clean as possible.

3. Using the box cutter, gently scrape off the white tip portion only of the match onto the folded index card. The white tip is a chlorinated compound that serves as the "ignitor" for the primer. You'll need about 10 to 12 matches for each primer. Avoid scraping off the sulphur portion of the match.
       
4. Roll the plastic mallet across the scrapings, being careful to "crush" rather than rub the material. Place the primer cup on a flat surface and, using the crease in the index card, pour the match scrapings into the cap until it is full. Use the bottom of a matchstick to gently tap down the primer.
       
5. Use the large tweezers to carefully set the primer cup into your machine press, being careful not to spill any of the primer material. Place the anvil into the primer, point down, to seat. Raise the ram of the press up and seal the primer into the shell casing. Keep your face a safe distance away while you're doing this step, as the primer material may pop.


Read more: How to Make Primers for Cartridges | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_8031176_make-primers-cartridges.html#ixzz25NQadYcq

More in a little while.  I think there is a video of someone doing this floating around youtube or somewhere out there on the internet as well. 


Youtube videos: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7nphPRG6JA


This is an AMMOSMITH VIDEO, Part I: 

Making Primers Part 1


Part II:

Making Primers Part 2


Ammosmith's website:  http://ammosmith.com/  (They have a search function)  You could search "Making Primers" and a whole host of other good topics are there as well.  They have a VIDEO LIBRARY, a FORUM (you could join if you wanted) you could even ask questions, and they even have a RESOURCES section as well.

I would probably listen to ammo smith, unless someone just knows they don't know what they are talking about.

For those of you that reload, have you been throwing away your spent primers?  Might want to think about hanging onto those as well.   :D

Another thing you guys might not know, is that those of you who have not been picking up BERDAN Primed Casings, at the range or after you shoot the Ammo yourself,  might want to check into ways that you can RELOAD BERDAN PRIMED casings as there is a way.  GAP knows how to do it, and I've seen him do it before.  There are also a few things around the internet to help you there as well, if GAP doesn't feel like sharing the knowledge that he has about reloading casings that are BERDAN Primed.

Here is a video from GAP's friend,  Iraqveteran8888, about one simple way to remove berdan primed, but there are many ways to reload berdan primed casings, so don't think this is the only way.

A simple way to remove berdan primers
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Re: Make Primers at Home
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2012, 01:40:40 AM »
$25 per thousand only 4 sizes you need to stock

quit drinking pop/booze, smoking cigs, eating out, and fucking off your money and just see how much extra dough you got to stock up on things like primers

not to mention all the positive effects this will have on your health
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Re: Make Primers at Home
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2012, 01:44:08 AM »
Yeah right now, in the time that we will all one day consider as "the good ole' days," you could stock up a ton of factory made primers and find out ways to store them, cache them, and do other things with them right now, so that you would probably have enough primers for your lifetime as well.  Like NOLA says, cut out the crap in your life, and start stocking up so you won't be sorry later.  We're just sayin'.  Primers right now, even though you are paying inflated prices, they are still relatively cheap to prep.  Find out ways of storing them so that moisture, oxygen, and other enemies of preps, do not ruin what you have prepped.

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Re: Make Primers at Home
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2012, 02:00:55 AM »
I do know about this method. The problem with this is that it still requires you to stock pile materials. If you are going to buy cases of matches primarily to make primers, you are better off just stocking up on the primers themselves. There aren't any places to just go and buy cases of strike anywhere matches. Strike anywhere matches are suceptible to absorbing moisture in the air so they must be treated with extreme care if you want them to last any ammount of time. I think alot of preppers are led into believing that reloading will be a great way of replenishing ammo supplies for hunting and trade when SHTF but they somehow forget that primers are just as important as all the other componets.

-Brass can be recycled.
-Bullets can be made from melted down scrap lead and shot at around subsonic velocities or melted down post 1982 pennies.
-powder in theory can be made from raw materials you can find at a garden center and pharmacy.

But primers are my Achillie's heel. I'll have to get my hands on a flintlock or bow.

If anyone finds a good way to buy this compound EJR is talking about I really want to know.

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Re: Make Primers at Home
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2012, 02:05:21 AM »
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Re: Make Primers at Home
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2012, 02:12:18 AM »
I do know about this method. The problem with this is that it still requires you to stock pile materials. If you are going to buy cases of matches primarily to make primers, you are better off just stocking up on the primers themselves. There aren't any places to just go and buy cases of strike anywhere matches. Strike anywhere matches are suceptible to absorbing moisture in the air so they must be treated with extreme care if you want them to last any ammount of time. I think alot of preppers are led into believing that reloading will be a great way of replenishing ammo supplies for hunting and trade when SHTF.

-Brass can be recycled.
-Bullets can be made from melted down lead at around subsonic velocities or melted down post 1982 pennies.
-powder in theory can be made from raw materials you can find at a garden center and pharmacy.

But primers are my Achillie's heel. I'll have to get my hands on a flintlock or bow.

If anyone finds a good way to buy this compound EJR is talking about I really want to know.

I think this tactic would be better used in a time when we, as normal citizens, will not legally be able to purchase and prep a lot of primers.  If they are hard to get, even from tactical requisition, but you can pick up these strike anywhere matches at the store without anybody even batting an eye.  (Not in a complete SHTF, everything has gone to crap scenario and you can't even buy or find matches anywhere, and you certainly cannot find cartridges for sale)  Even right now, like lets say you're able to prep 100,000 primers over the next 10 years (a lifetime amount for you) before something bad happens, you'll probably catch a lot of unwanted attention over the next 10 years, doing so.  (*cough*.gov)  That's more or less what we are talking about Grudgie.  Not RIGHT NOW, when buying primers is still very legal in most States.  THIS IS DESCRIBING A LAST RESORT SITUATION.  Just wanted to make that perfectly crystal clear.  It just goes to show that NOTHING is impossible if you aren't afraid of a lot of hard work, a lot of imagination, innovation, and adaptation.  Where there is a will, there is a way. 
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Re: Make Primers at Home
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2012, 02:21:31 AM »
First of all, what stores are selling strike anywheres? Because I want to know.

Second of all, that is a good point about the availibility of primers. Personally, I don't worry about what the government knows reguarding my munitions purchases because I know the good ole second establishes my right to keep arms. When it comes time to bury your rifle, it is time to dig it up.

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Re: Make Primers at Home
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2012, 02:34:44 AM »
$100 will give you 4,000 primers that will work on literally every caliber firearm on motherfucking earth

strike anywhere matches are a thing of the past and thy dont store for shit


grudgie only place i can find em is my local camping stores
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Re: Make Primers at Home
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2012, 02:35:38 AM »
First of all, what stores are selling strike anywheres? Because I want to know.

Second of all, that is a good point about the availibility of primers. Personally, I don't worry about what the government knows reguarding my munitions purchases because I know the good ole second establishes my right to keep arms. When it comes time to bury your rifle, it is time to dig it up.


Are you joking around?

Please click the link:  http://lmgtfy.com/?q=strike+anywhere+matches

A quick search of google says that Wal-Mart is still selling Strike Anywhere Matches.  Just click the link:  http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?search_query=strike+anywhere+matches

Pick up an extra box every once and a while when you are shopping somewhere (since some people have a problem shopping at Wal-Mart), matches are good to have anyway and you won't arouse any suspicion if you sneak it in with other buys, and you pay in cash.  Even hide the box you have of them at the house, and tell the wife you need to pick up a new box if she even asks questions and you don't want her to know.  (Or just slip a box of them in your next Cache, with all the other things that you put in there to preserve preps from water, moisture, rust, oxygen, ect)  No suspicion even around strangers or your wife is you're afraid she'd one day turn you in for favor with regime forces.  LOL  Of course, I'm kidding, but then again, you never know.  You can even waterproof them, with just a little effort.  Also, after you waterproof them, take a spent 20 gauge shell and spent 12 gauge shell, shove the matches in the 20 gauge shell, and then use the 12 gauge shell as a cover, and boom you've got a cheap holder for your waterproof matches that can fit in your go-bag, just like I used to make in Boy Scouts. 

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Re: Make Primers at Home
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2012, 02:40:48 AM »
I work at Walmart and there definitely isn't any SA matches here. Believe me, if we ever get any in stock they will be bought by me straight up.

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Re: Make Primers at Home
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2012, 02:41:45 AM »
$100 will give you 4,000 primers that will work on literally every caliber firearm on motherfucking earth

strike anywhere matches are a thing of the past and thy dont store for shit


grudgie only place i can find em is my local camping stores

Yep, stock up on primers while the getting is good, right now.  Besides Wal-Mart, I've seen strike anywhere matches at Dick's Sporting Goods, Academy Sports, Ace Hardware (my local small hardware store), and as said, local camping supply stores, just to name a few places.

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Re: Make Primers at Home
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2012, 02:44:49 AM »
I work at Walmart and there definitely isn't any SA matches here. Believe me, if we ever get any in stock they will be bought by me straight up.

Ohh, ok, gotcha.  Well if you'd like, I can buy you a box the next time I see them at my local store that carries them if you'd be willing to pay the price plus (S&H cost).  I'll even send you receipts for documentation.  They always have a shelf full, even before and during camping season.

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Re: Make Primers at Home
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2012, 02:45:45 AM »
you positive its strike anywhere matches?
shit loads of matches everywhere but strike anywhere is rare unless your in a camping joint here
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Re: Make Primers at Home
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2012, 02:50:40 AM »
Yep, clear as can be.  I've bought them before, recently.

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Re: Make Primers at Home
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2012, 12:38:30 PM »
you positive its strike anywhere matches?
shit loads of matches everywhere but strike anywhere is rare unless your in a camping joint here
Wallyworld does NOT have strike-anywheres here either.  I posted about SA's a few months back.  After an exhaustive search, the ONLY place I could find them around here was at Ace Hardware.

Why some wallyworlds have them and others don't probably has something to do with differing insurance regulations from state to state.
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Re: Make Primers at Home
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2012, 12:56:37 PM »
This is a LAST resort. Not a "how to make primers"
Most of the chemicals you need to make a ignition compound are standard household items.
I think its legal to make for reloading. If it is legal i might post up how to do it.
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Re: Make Primers at Home
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2012, 12:57:55 PM »
Even though I don't reload, I think it's a good idea to stock some primers.  I can easily see a time when you could trade 100 primers + 100 brass casings for 50 finished rounds.

I'm sure you reloaders have your favorite products and stores/websites and already know all the best deals.  So, please tell us EXACTLY WHERE & WHAT to buy for the best price and suitable quality.  Links would be appreciated.  You could tell us what NOT to buy also.
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« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2012, 02:11:29 PM »
Even though I don't reload, I think it's a good idea to stock some primers.  I can easily see a time when you could trade 100 primers + 100 brass casings for 50 finished rounds.

I'm sure you reloaders have your favorite products and stores/websites and already know all the best deals.  So, please tell us EXACTLY WHERE & WHAT to buy for the best price and suitable quality.  Links would be appreciated.  You could tell us what NOT to buy also.

primers are primers in my opinion, winchester cci are the cheapest and they work great
berry's bullets makes the cheapest bullets that are still worth buying
powder is where people get into fights, look into a reloading book find a powder that is used on almost every rifle caliber and a powder that is used on pretty much every pistol caliber and use that
cant tell you where to buy but i can tell you the local prices here
1k of primers is $25
250 bullets is 26-38 bucks depending on caliber
powder is about $110-118 for 8lbs of powder
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Re: Make Primers at Home
« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2012, 02:13:42 PM »
Well for starters, don't buy them online to avoid the hazard materials fee. I don't know where people are finding cheap primers. I just pay retail at a sportsmanship warehouse. It's about $30-$35 fOr 1000 primers. Stock up on lots of small rifle primers because people shoot .223 like it's water. A good 1000 of large rifle primers will probably do a lifetime as well unless you're shooting .308s like water.

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Re: Make Primers at Home
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2012, 02:22:41 PM »
i get my primers at my gun club
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Re: Make Primers at Home
« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2012, 03:10:36 PM »
What primer for .357 mag...Small pistol or small pistol magnum?  I've gotten different answers from different websites.

After looking for about and hour, I couldn't find a chart on what primer is used for what caliber.
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Re: Make Primers at Home
« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2012, 04:00:30 PM »
Theres no doubt that Reloading and having all the components on hand NOW is a good prepping choice since its cheaper. And im sure we all can figure out how to get tens of thousands of various primers into our hands without drawing attention. If your state requires photo ID have friends and family make purchases at various locations aswell. I think it would be a little silly to walk right past perfectly good primers for sale on the shelf to go grab strike anywhere matches to try to crudely recreate whats 2 isles over for sale right now.
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Re: Make Primers at Home
« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2012, 04:49:56 PM »
What primer for .357 mag...Small pistol or small pistol magnum?  I've gotten different answers from different websites.

After looking for about and hour, I couldn't find a chart on what primer is used for what caliber.

357mag uses small pistol magnum but if all you got it small pistol you can run that in there too
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Re: Make Primers at Home
« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2012, 04:53:01 PM »
Theres no doubt that Reloading and having all the components on hand NOW is a good prepping choice since its cheaper. And im sure we all can figure out how to get tens of thousands of various primers into our hands without drawing attention. If your state requires photo ID have friends and family make purchases at various locations aswell. I think it would be a little silly to walk right past perfectly good primers for sale on the shelf to go grab strike anywhere matches to try to crudely recreate whats 2 isles over for sale right now.

there aint even an age restriction on primers
and if your worried about drawing attention to yourself by buying components you really need to re think your mindset
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Re: Last Resort: Make Primers at Home
« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2012, 07:12:28 PM »
I agree. There is no need to fear the kremlin coming to your house or being persecuted by the Spanish inquisition. If I knew the government was actually paying attention to my purchases I'd just go out and buy a few thousand just for spite.