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Re: Indoor aquaponics project
« Reply #25 on: June 29, 2015, 12:16:14 PM »
Thanks thedigininja for keeping us abreast of your results.  :thumbsUp:
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Re: Indoor aquaponics project
« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2015, 01:13:00 PM »
Informed is great.  Abreast I dunno.

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Re: Indoor aquaponics project
« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2015, 02:10:51 PM »
You say Potato I say potatoe.  ;)
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Re: Indoor aquaponics project
« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2015, 03:01:42 PM »
You guys keep talking and I'm just sitting here thinking about breasts.
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Re: Indoor aquaponics project
« Reply #29 on: June 29, 2015, 03:07:25 PM »
You say Potato I say potatoe.  ;)

You say potatoe I think those things the front part a poor man's feet.  I say taters, French fries, smashed tates and other quality southern foodstuffs.

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Re: Indoor aquaponics project
« Reply #30 on: June 29, 2015, 04:55:35 PM »
 :facepalm: Both of you!
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Re: Indoor aquaponics project
« Reply #31 on: July 02, 2015, 02:38:13 PM »
It's official. My grow space is catastrophically too small for what my 5 goldys are producing.

I got home to find the majority of plants were "burnt". Likely either from nitrates or magnesium, as far as I can determine.  The nitrates were off the charts. GH was also frighteningly high.

I immediately drained ⅓ of the water and replaced it with purified water and a few drops of water treatment to mellow out the nitrates. Hopefully it's not too late.


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Re: Indoor aquaponics project
« Reply #32 on: July 09, 2015, 03:52:53 PM »
The death touch continues.

Everything except the thyme and strawberry is gone but the thyme isn't far behind.

Interestingly more of my basil seeds have sprouted.

I'm looking at including a venturi system to increase the amount of oxygen in the water, see if that helps.
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Re: Indoor aquaponics project
« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2015, 04:10:17 PM »
Operation free food is dead in the water, so to speak.

A few notes on this.

This system was based on the absolutely most basic design that I have seen work as an OUTDOOR design. Reduced and brought indoors it was essentially designed to fail.

What the plants were clearly getting enough of was water and nutrients. What they were obviously lacking was oxygen and light.

Light is obvious. Outside you have sun, inside you have none.

Oxygen isn't as simple. Plants absorb oxygen through their roots. Grown traditionally this is easy, with aquaponics it becomes more difficult. With roots that are permanently submerged the plant begins to drown so you need a way to get oxygen to the plants.
There are 2 main ways of doing this.
The most common is what's known as an ebb and flow or flood and drain system where you set up a valve that periodically drains all the water from the growbed forcing the roots to draw in oxygen.
With a wicking bed like mine where the bed is always flooded you need to enrich the water itself with the oxygen that the plants need. Naturally this is done when rain, wind or particles disrupt the surface causing bubbles to increase the surface area on which oxygen can bond and be released into the water, this still might not be enough though. To have a permanently flooded system you would need to incorporate an air pump, this can be used in 3 ways.
1. You pump air directly into your reservoir, increasing the level of oxygen in the water that is then taken to your growbed by your submerged pump.
2. You connect your air pump to "air curtains" which run in the growbed themselves to directly feed the plants with oxygen.
3. This is slightly more complex but can also be more efficient.  Using a dual output air pump you have the 1st output connected to an air curtain in the reservoir. The second output you have a length of tubing which runs through the reservoir up to your growbed.  In the section which runs through your reservoir you have a hole which sucks in water as the air flows through. This will allow your air pump to pump your, now oxygen rich, water from your reservoir to your growbed.

The size of your grow medium is also important. Where a smaller particle increases the area for bacteria and nutrients it also suffocates the roots. Your medium should be around an inch in diameter.

I have mocked up a few designs for a new multi-tiered system with fittings for grow lights and an air pump and future expansion to run in on solar.

The positives from the experiment so far is that I have determined that it is possible to, quite quickly, establish a system which produces a substantial amount of nutrients with very little input and with only a small number of small fish.
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Re: Indoor aquaponics project
« Reply #34 on: July 14, 2015, 04:17:38 PM »
It's official. My grow space is catastrophically too small for what my 5 goldys are producing.

I presume you are saying SHTB, as in bottom.  Missing the fan.  SO?  Do we begin our freak out head for the hills, lock the door and pass the ammunition or ??

Or is the bottom not as important.

Seeing as this is near 2 weeks old I have to go with the bottom not as important idea.

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Re: Indoor aquaponics project
« Reply #35 on: July 14, 2015, 04:56:49 PM »
haha. SHTB is good. The bottom is where the pump can feed it to the plants.
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Re: Indoor aquaponics project
« Reply #36 on: July 14, 2015, 07:43:15 PM »
Ah so its just FITW, (floating in the water) or SAWTOF (swimming around with the other fish) or JOFSWCMU  (just other fun stuff we can make up)?

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Re: Indoor aquaponics project
« Reply #37 on: July 18, 2015, 10:56:29 AM »
Have you considered doing something like this, outdoors?


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Re: Indoor aquaponics project
« Reply #38 on: July 19, 2015, 06:59:57 AM »
A much smaller version but yes, an outdoor system like that is on the cards once I've completed the mini indoor one.
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Re: Indoor aquaponics project
« Reply #39 on: July 22, 2015, 01:00:38 PM »
I am following this very closely...

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Re: Indoor aquaponics project
« Reply #40 on: July 23, 2015, 07:49:46 PM »
I still want to do something like this indoors, well semi indoors as I have a sheltered area with a translucent roof under trees so mottled sunlight at best.

I'm thinking grow lights powered by 1-2 solar panels placed out in the sun.

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Re: Indoor aquaponics project
« Reply #41 on: August 04, 2015, 06:00:43 PM »
Nomad, I wholeheartedly agree with solar powered grow lights. That's why the next step of this project is taking so long to get into swing. We just purchased a larger fish tank to increase our growing potential to make the financial outlay for the next step more viable.

The new design is a three tier setup with the tank on top, using a standing pipe to siphon water down to the first grow bed. That will drain into the second bed which holds a sump for the water which is then pumped back up to the tank by an air pump.

Each bed will have a designated dual outlet air pump feeding two air curtains running beneath the grow medium allowing the roots to receive large amounts of oxygen while being permanently submerged. As well as a row of led grow lights all powered by solar.

I considered experimenting with a basic hydro power system just for fun but the generating potential from a system this small won't even be worth the effort but it will stay in the design for when I have a yard.  As I said though, that part is just for fun. ;D
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Re: Indoor aquaponics project
« Reply #42 on: August 14, 2015, 10:38:32 PM »
Another preppers site I hang out on, http://seprepnet.com had a gent just put up some info on his aquaponics projects.

He seems rather successful on it and appears to be functioning well.  Might wanna take a look.

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Re: Indoor aquaponics project
« Reply #43 on: August 18, 2015, 04:08:24 PM »
I don't understand what you were trying to accomplish or learn from this process.

I worked for 1 year in a large greenhouse and I watched the owner plant lettuce and other plants directly in beds of Pearlite - what you call vermiculite.  The white pebbly rock made from putting grains of sand into a furnace and baking them until they explode - at least that is what the owner of the greenhouse told me.

Plants that likes a lot of water will thrive with zero soil, while other plants needs some type of soil and not as much water.

The greenhouse was in Western Pennsylvania, and vegetable plants were planted in Feb, March, April - not months really known for a lot of light.

There are plastic greenhouses out there now that looks a lot like children's tents that has two layers of plastic and a blower and some type of heat source that can be placed outside in the dead of winter and used to grow plants - as long as the snow does not break the roof or a wind come along and blow it over...

That is one of those - don't ask me how I know type questions.

The bottom line is - if you are going to bug out - then you should have that type of stuff at your bug out site, not at home.  I'm a firm believer that anyone that thinks that they can bug in - is already a dead man.
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Re: Indoor aquaponics project
« Reply #44 on: August 19, 2015, 05:03:33 AM »
Thanks nemo, I'll be sure to check out out.

Since I dismantled the original setup we've been using the fish water for our outdoor plants which have been going nuts ever since. Probably the most prominent success is our hybrid chili plant which was little more than a dead twig when we got it. In the heart of winter we have 33 young peppers developing and it has become a beautifully lush green plant.

shadow, you are clearly too dense to realise when you are being purposely ignored so let me make it clear to you.  I consciously scroll past any comment that you post because you are quite simply nothing more than a troll.  Even though I may not always agree with them I have never actively disliked anyone on this forum because I appreciate and respect everyone here due to their varied situations and views but I have never seen a single positive contribution from you and grown weary of your bs.
I prep for today as well as tomorrow, ever striving to live a safer, greener, more sustainable life and assist others in doing the same. Just because you watched an episode of "doomsday preppers" and went off to play survivalist with your friends does not make you the all knowing master of the universe and, quite frankly, you irritate me to the point that I will no longer acknowledge your existence. Maybe one day you will prove yourself to be more than an old jackass with a keyboard and I'll change my mind but until then I will waste none of my energy on you.
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Re: Indoor aquaponics project
« Reply #45 on: August 19, 2015, 06:57:18 AM »
Well now thedigininja, tell us how you really feel..."Just because you watched an episode of "doomsday preppers" and went off to play survivalist with your friends does not make you the all knowing master of the universe and, quite frankly, you irritate me to the point that I will no longer acknowledge your existence. Maybe one day you will prove yourself to be more than an old jackass with a keyboard and I'll change my mind but until then I will waste none of my energy on you."
 :lmfao:  :cheers:
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Re: Indoor aquaponics project
« Reply #46 on: August 19, 2015, 12:28:40 PM »
Jmac, every time that I read one of his comments on a post I force myself to bite my tongue and eventually stopped reading them because he simply frustrates me to no end. This morning I couldn't contain myself any longer, I had to get it out.

I'm sure that he has a ton of useful information in him somewhere but I can't tolerate people who never have a positive word to share but rather choose to dismiss everyone else and their views.
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Re: Indoor aquaponics project
« Reply #47 on: August 23, 2015, 03:25:45 PM »
Well, no matter what anyone else says, the fact that you're persevering through the obstacles presented to you in this project says a lot about your character, I think. Well done.