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Barriers in wrol?
« on: October 15, 2011, 01:11:14 AM »
Ok i was thinking if come wrol u would want to have something to slow down people or most of all vehicles from coming into ur area, what could u put to stop a vehicle on a road? an old car? i would like to hear what you guys would do.Thanks
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Re: Barriers in wrol?
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2011, 09:35:59 AM »
It would depend on what strategy you're using. Is it a permanent roadblock, or a temporary one you can take down at need? If the former, then a good, solid tree across the road will do if you cannot build anything, plus it looks natural (if suspicious). Anything man-made on the road will only signify that something of possible worth is on the other side of the obstacle.

I also suppose that, in a permanent roadblock (if it's manned), you could make a series of very deep ditches that make it impossible for almost any civilian vehicle to cross, and have hidden, fortified LP/OPs in close enough range to cover the roadblock should someone attempt a strategy to overcome the obstacle (such as filling in a ditch, or placing a makeshift bridge over it strong enough for a vehicle to cross. You prevent the latter, you could also place barbed wire, and perhaps booby traps around it to dissuade infantry. You could place caltrops along the road starting at 50 yards or so from your barrier to dissuade infantry and blow tires from oncoming vehicles (however, I'd say that a sign warning intruders away, placed at 100 yards, would prevent angering any innocent neighbors).

Another option, usually readily available to us all, is to use vehicles to block the roads. Sure, it screams "I'M HERE! COME AND TAKE IT!" However, I don't think anybody is going to move three or four vehicles placed in a reinforced wedge, with no tires/slashed tires and possibly with the rims in pre-dug holes in the ground that cause the vehicle to sink down to it's belly. The down side to this is that you have just given any enemy potentially good cover from your infantry defenses.

I'm not too sure what your options would be if you require a removable barrier. Perhaps you could use the multiple ditch system w/infantry booby traps again, except you have a reliable, reusable bridge you can extend from your side to allow your own personnel and vehicles to cross. You could also (in an urban area) attempt to wall in your perimeter, installing only one gate large enough for vehicles pass through. You could put the gate between two sturdy buildings, and strategically place debris/manmade obstacles/whatever will prevent vehicle movement in a winding pattern that would make it impossible for a vehicle to just charge straight in. They'd have to take it very slow on entrance, making the turns, and making them vulnerable to infantry assault by you. This defense, though, would be very manpower intensive and would mean the existence of a well-organized community that has enough manpower to delegate workers from other tasks such as active perimeter defense, food gathering, repairs, etc.

Any other ideas, guys? I thought about dragon's teeth, but it depends on the ability to weld and transport huge metal beams, and I don't think that most people will have the ability to do that.
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Re: Barriers in wrol?
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2011, 11:54:29 AM »
Something to think about when thinking about using dead cars as barricades, cover works both ways and if you are not there to deny its use then you now have hunkered down hostiles standing on your road.

If I recall correctly WhiskeyJack likes to stake logs down to the road because they provide less cover and slow down traffic just the same.. look up his articles BWB you might learn a thing or two ;)

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Re: Barriers in wrol?
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2011, 12:43:14 PM »
Something to think about when thinking about using dead cars as barricades, cover works both ways and if you are not there to deny its use then you now have hunkered down hostiles standing on your road.

If I recall correctly WhiskeyJack likes to stake logs down to the road because they provide less cover and slow down traffic just the same.. look up his articles BWB you might learn a thing or two ;)

yeah cars are not much cover at all. youve got some cover behind each wheel and then an unknown true area of cover behind the motor but with most cars to get behind a sideways cars motor your legs are exposed. in a way setting those cars up for enemies to hide behind can work to your advantage because there easily shot through if the enemy thinks hes safe behind them you just start shooting through the car until blood poors out from underneath. and the logs is a good idea but keep in mind those logs dont have to be used as cover only by standing directly behind them..the  best way to use cover like that would be to stand 20-30 yards behind them in line with the fire your recieving. and the logs that can stop cars im guessing are also plenty thick enough to stop bullets.
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Re: Barriers in wrol?
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2011, 12:57:57 PM »
Thanks guys i think rah45 had a very good point about trees because i doesnt look so suspicious like u wanna hide something and i didnt think about cover,i think if i could get a pine tree drug on the road by my neighbor which is also prepping but not into forums,u think he could drag a pine with his chevy 3500 dually?

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Re: Barriers in wrol?
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2011, 01:00:04 PM »
I think he/you should get a chainsaw bro. Much easier, and they can do a hell of a lot of things.

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Re: Barriers in wrol?
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2011, 01:20:59 PM »
I think he/you should get a chainsaw bro. Much easier, and they can do a hell of a lot of things.

Unless you don't have fuel...if you can for sure count on your neighbor, a two-person saw would work, and it doesn't require fuel.

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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2011, 01:26:47 PM »
I think he/you should get a chainsaw bro. Much easier, and they can do a hell of a lot of things.

Unless you don't have fuel...if you can for sure count on your neighbor, a two-person saw would work, and it doesn't require fuel.
Also very true. Or just axe that puppy to the ground. Just make sure you know what the hell you're doing and don't lob off a toe.

An axe seems like it would be pretty darn good in any sort of barrier making if you plan to use trees/pieces of old houses.

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Re: Barriers in wrol?
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2011, 03:14:27 PM »
I think he/you should get a chainsaw bro. Much easier, and they can do a hell of a lot of things.

Unless you don't have fuel...if you can for sure count on your neighbor, a two-person saw would work, and it doesn't require fuel.
Also very true. Or just axe that puppy to the ground. Just make sure you know what the hell you're doing and don't lob off a toe.

An axe seems like it would be pretty darn good in any sort of barrier making if you plan to use trees/pieces of old houses.

True, but you'll also burn more energy doing it alone. A two-person saw lets you keep the momentum going for longer and burning few calories, important to consider when food is priceless.

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Re: Barriers in wrol?
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2011, 03:17:54 PM »
Exactly. Plus, using an axe is a hell of a lot harder when you don't really know how to properly use it, and have little to no experience with working with em. They both have their merits of use, though.

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Re: Barriers in wrol?
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2011, 04:21:32 PM »
They both have their merits of use, though.

Agreed. For the individual, an axe or well-made tomahawk would suit his purpose...but of course, chopping down a tree would not fall under an "individual" category. At least, not for roadblocks. In that case (and even with only a handful of people, IMO), it's probably best to remain hidden. Barriers tend to confirm someone lives nearby, and they have something to protect (food, supplies, tools, raw materials, natural resources, weapons, women, children, etc.).

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Re: Barriers in wrol?
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2011, 08:11:30 PM »
Take 2" steel pipe, cut a bunch of wedges our of it so they look like a waning moon and weld them back to back.  This makes a series of spikes that are VERY cheap, easy to construct, and quickly deployed/retreived.  They are also small enough that a driver is unlikely so see them until he hits them.  Once the tires are deflated, the vehicle is then all but immobile and the only cover available to passengers IS the vehicle.

Not all roadblocks need to be seen in order to be effective.

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Re: Barriers in wrol?
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2011, 12:22:07 AM »
i'm going to stack internet trolls 5 feet high all around my perimeter
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« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2011, 07:41:24 AM »
i'm going to stack internet trolls 5 feet high all around my perimeter
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Re: Barriers in wrol?
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2011, 10:09:10 AM »
A quick reply for using cars as barriers. You would want to fill them sand, dirt and stones to provide a bullet stop. and provide more weight against ramming attacks. the sinking them down to their bellies is a great idea too. but this does become a permenant barrier that can b used against you. And yes a barrier can say here i am, It is also a show of strength and organization. It may very well discourage smaller groups of raiders and force larger ones to work even harder in their planning. the barrier is only one aspect of defences. it the most recognisable defence but its not the only one your community will have. I am posting part two of when should you get nasty tonight and it does cover some ideas for this. Double down and denial techniuqes. Good question and good replies. espeasialy the trolls. LOL
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Re: Barriers in wrol?
« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2011, 12:22:22 PM »
35 foot section of old transport or logging chain with welded on # 5 rebar stub caltrops and a couple of rebar "nails" to hold it down.

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Re: Barriers in wrol?
« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2011, 01:52:43 PM »
Something to think about when thinking about using dead cars as barricades, cover works both ways and if you are not there to deny its use then you now have hunkered down hostiles standing on your road.

If I recall correctly WhiskeyJack likes to stake logs down to the road because they provide less cover and slow down traffic just the same.. look up his articles BWB you might learn a thing or two ;)


The cover that your are talking about Ben is called " Deadspace " and standard army doctrine says to do three things & only two of them we can use and the first is not of any use at all.
1. You mark it, take note of it and drive on. ( no use at all because the BG is going to use it as cover )
2. Rig it with a claymore ( this we can do, other than the claymore part. But a simple booby trap will work. )
3. Zero it and have arty on standby ( unless you are housing some 60MM mortars in your basement, I just don't see this being remotely useful )

Discussing booby traps is not aloud here for rightful reason but I will you my direction key. 
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