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General Category => Security & Survival => Topic started by: backwoodsboy on November 01, 2011, 10:23:30 PM

Title: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: backwoodsboy on November 01, 2011, 10:23:30 PM
Okay so i dont know if this was done but i want to hear what primary/sidearm u guys have chosen for a shtf. okay ill start

Primary/Arsenal sgl21-completely factory parts

Secondary/Bersa Thunder 380 acp-also completely factory parts                [img]http://www.smileydesign.n
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: thatGuy on November 01, 2011, 10:31:15 PM
M4 Frankengun, super k.i.s.s.
Glock22 second gen. w/true glow night sights.
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: APX808 on November 01, 2011, 10:36:12 PM
Look at my signature ;)

Maverick 88 security 12 gauge
Glock 19 3rd gen
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: Veritas on November 01, 2011, 11:07:42 PM
AR-15 / Springfield XDM .40

or

AK / 1911

Depends on what part of the house I'm in when it goes down.....
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: special-k on November 01, 2011, 11:56:32 PM
Primary / An official Red Ryder, carbine action, 200-shot range model air rifle
Secondary /  Wrist Rocket with powerband
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: Reaver on November 02, 2011, 01:01:22 AM
Primary / An official Red Ryder, carbine action, 200-shot range model air rifle
Secondary /  Wrist Rocket with powerband


Those wrist rockets ain't no dam joke man, turn that thing sideways and get some real torque behind it. Granted you lose accuracy for some point shooting,  but if you get good at it. that marble will hit pretty damn hard.

Mine is in my signature as well. Maadi MISR 10/ Beretta Clone Its actually a Taurus PT92AF but don't be thinking I got a cheap sidearm I chose that pretty little princess over a Combat Sig 226 with a threaded barrel.  [url=http://www.freesmileys.or
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: special-k on November 02, 2011, 01:25:30 AM
I vaguely recall ~someone~ being scolded for daring to compare a Taurus to a Sig Saur on the old LNL forum. Lol.
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: Reaver on November 02, 2011, 02:36:36 AM
I vaguely recall ~someone~ being scolded for daring to compare a Taurus to a Sig Saur on the old LNL forum. Lol.

Not sure what forum it was, but it was EJR towards me.

Dude, the Sig was nice yes. But the PT92 is just as good in my opinion. I could shoot the same groups, and I had more training on the 92 Platform. The only thing the sig could do that the PT92 can't is attach a silencer and I don't get that shit handed to me. So it would be a while before I will ever see one.
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: APX808 on November 02, 2011, 07:25:30 AM
APX is that what ur maverick really looks like? i like the stock and the ported barrel.

Picture is shopped as my camera sucks, but yes it looks just like that one, it has an ATI collapsible stock and a heatshield as thatguy mentioned, also it has a clamp in the front to attach a 2 point sling.
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: v0dka on November 02, 2011, 09:27:12 AM
ar-15/springfield1911
I hope one day it will be.
m1A/ springfield1911
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: sledge on November 02, 2011, 09:53:39 AM
Depends on what I'm doing.

AK / 9mm Beretta

C. Daly Aluminum 12 ga. pump / 357 Bounty Hunter

Savage 110 7mm mag / 9mm Beretta

Marlin 22LR /  357 Bounty Hunter

Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: rah45 on November 02, 2011, 11:05:08 AM
Springfield M1A Standard/ Sig Sauer P250 (hoping to trade in the future for a RIA 1911 A2, or possibly a high-cap, reliable 9mm pistol)
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: backwoodsboy on November 02, 2011, 11:53:51 AM
dang rah45 im loving the m1a idea but i cant afford one  :'(
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: Colombo on November 02, 2011, 12:45:23 PM
Too many choices and only two hands. Probably going with AR carbine and glock 20 but have Saiga 308 and a 7.62x39 Ak choice as well as a cetme for primary and Browning hp and s&w 19 stashed away. If were talking total collapse of the govt. I may be reclaiming a CZ26 parts kit that a licensed friend has rebuilt when he comes over (I'm his B.O.L.) and I'm in love with that mean little buzzgun.
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: rah45 on November 02, 2011, 12:49:11 PM
dang rah45 im loving the m1a idea but i cant afford one  :'(

Lol don't get depressed. I couldn't have gotten one either if I hadn't convinced the wife to invest the fed tax return wisely.
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: NOLA556 on November 02, 2011, 01:32:23 PM
RRA LAR-15 and Glock 22 RTF2
(or Springfield 1911, but I'm more comfortable with the Glock)

last ditch primary: Remington 870 Tactical
really last ditch primary: my DM: Rem700
really really last ditch primary: Mosin Nagant 91/30 1936 Tula
really really really last ditch primary: Winchester 290 .22lr

 :P
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: backwoodsboy on November 02, 2011, 02:31:22 PM
yeah i wish i could get a m1a but im happy and satisfied with my sgl21. btw rah45 wat kind of ammo do u run thru ur m1a? just curious
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: Reaver on November 02, 2011, 02:33:52 PM
Keep in mind fellas I have an M1A for sale.  [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co

Just FYI  :))
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: backwoodsboy on November 02, 2011, 02:38:07 PM
How much do u want for it? :D
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: rah45 on November 02, 2011, 02:50:48 PM
yeah i wish i could get a m1a but im happy and satisfied with my sgl21. btw rah45 wat kind of ammo do u run thru ur m1a? just curious

I've run two different kinds thus far. Federal American Eagle had no problems. East German milsurp had loading issues, but I've been told that may have something to do with my M1A, not the ammo, as that milsurp is supposedly very reliable. I'll have to see. If you do go Federal A.E., you won't go wrong. Good stuff.
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: Reaver on November 02, 2011, 02:52:32 PM
How much do u want for it? :D
What do you got?
Depends on what you have for trade.
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: backwoodsboy on November 02, 2011, 02:56:26 PM
No sorry man nothing for trade, im also broke since i cant work while im in school,i was just curious how much u wanted.
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: Reaver on November 02, 2011, 02:59:20 PM
No sorry man nothing for trade, im also broke since i cant work while im in school,i was just curious how much u wanted.

1400 for a FTF 1450 shipped if your FFL won't take from an individual 1425 if he does.
She's pretty much brand new. Only 110 rounds fired through her. But as of late I was thinking about mounting her on my wall and leaving her for show. Then ocasionally picking up some M1A magazines.
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: backwoodsboy on November 02, 2011, 03:01:39 PM
Whats ur reason for selling a beauty like that!
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: Reaver on November 02, 2011, 03:06:41 PM
Whats ur reason for selling a beauty like that!

Cash or trade for other products.
I need ammo and mags bro, I have another 308 shooter so, I really have no use for a $1700 rifle I'm not going to use.
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: JohnyMac on November 02, 2011, 03:07:40 PM
Side arm = Kimber Eclipse II Target, 45 ACP (This is also my daily carry gun using a IWB Gelco holster)
Rifle = Colt 6920 (M4)
Last ditch weapon = Ruger SP 101 spurless hammer 357 magnum (This also substitutes for my Kimber in the summer
      where it lives in the front pocket of my Dockers).
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: mountainredneck2051 on November 02, 2011, 06:40:22 PM
primary WII controller
secondary WII nunchuck attachment

Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: backwoodsboy on November 02, 2011, 07:39:19 PM
mtredneck has the most practical set up so far guys!  :))
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: RONSERESURPLUS on November 02, 2011, 07:40:54 PM
Some Combination of these: whats left the wife will have?



Maddi Egyptian made Copy of Russian AK-47 in 7.62X39
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii240/RONSERESURPLUS/AKBreakDownCleaningtuto.jpg)
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii240/RONSERESURPLUS/MADDIAKAKMCLONECASE001.jpg)

Remmington 870 Express POlice Model Riot/HD Shotgun in 12GA with 20" barrel and 7 shot tube and side saddle carrier
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii240/RONSERESURPLUS/REM870WITHSIDESADLEANDLAZER001.jpg)
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii240/RONSERESURPLUS/Firearmscurrentpics7-009.jpg)

Rock River Lower on a Olympic Super Match 20" Barrel AR-15 in 223, sports a M-4 Buttstock System, as well as
a Leapers Colt Clone scope 4X with 55 GN Bullet Drop Compensator, Silent sling and Finished
in Desert Brown, I have Nicknamed this Rifle 'My "DESERT WARRIOR"
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii240/RONSERESURPLUS/Photo-00131dESERTwARRIOR2.jpg)
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii240/RONSERESURPLUS/Photo-00121dESERTwARRIOR.jpg)

M-95 Classic Licenced Argintine Copy of Browning High Powwer in 9MM
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii240/RONSERESURPLUS/Firearmscurrentpics7-003.jpg)
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii240/RONSERESURPLUS/Firearmscurrentpics7-002.jpg)

S&W Model 36 38 SCPL 2" Snubnose Revolver in Robart finish:
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii240/RONSERESURPLUS/Firearmscurrentpics7-001-1.jpg)
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii240/RONSERESURPLUS/SWModel36001.jpg)

Rock Island 1911A1 Clone in 45ACP, 5" Barrel with Beveled magazine well, opened up ejection port and rubber grips
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii240/RONSERESURPLUS/45lesson001.jpg)
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii240/RONSERESURPLUS/RockIsland1911A145ACPP.jpg)
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii240/RONSERESURPLUS/RockIsland1911A145A-001.jpg)
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: backwoodsboy on November 02, 2011, 07:46:35 PM
i love the maddi man, i heard they are a very solid AK.
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: disposable on November 03, 2011, 04:59:29 AM
Primary: Saiga 5.45 conversion, Ace left side folding stock, rail's with grip pod (had my afg...but i like the feeling of the grip pod better..can hold it just the same as afg.

Secondary: XD 9mm sub-compact

Last Resort Primary: 1926 Ex-Dragoon Mosin that never saw the war :)

Last Resort Secondary: I'll find one when the time comes.
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: backwoodsboy on November 03, 2011, 01:03:16 PM
is yours inported by arsenal?
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: Kobalt on November 03, 2011, 02:51:14 PM
is yours inported by arsenal?
Arsenal dosent import them. They rebuild them into proper AKs.
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: backwoodsboy on November 03, 2011, 04:19:50 PM
i know they come in a saiga conversion then they build them into a ak that accepts 30 round mags and with the pistol grip,stock set and makes it compliant but i believe they import them also.
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: Boonedawg on November 03, 2011, 08:04:40 PM
 Depends on the need.
NM m1a, RAR AR-15, Rem Mod 700 .300 win mag w/ 4.5x14 leupold VXIII and my first rifle given to me by my grand dad a pre 64' model 70 win in 30-06.

 Secondaries are either a G21, Ruger super redhawk in .44 mag, Ruger Vaquero in .45 LC or my lil .22 colt.

 I don't figure a shotty into my loadout, too many things change rapidly in a shit environment to count on a scatter gun as a primary. Think of it as more of a good tool to have but can get by without absolutley having to have it.
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: sledge on November 03, 2011, 08:45:56 PM

 I don't figure a shotty into my loadout, too many things change rapidly in a shit environment to count on a scatter gun as a primary. Think of it as more of a good tool to have but can get by without absolutley having to have it.

Yeah Boone in your area you may not have a need for one.  My area here in Florida is mostly pine and dense brush.  A shotty makes a lot of sense when traveling through that stuff.  I keep mine in a canvas saddle that attaches to my LBV or Alice.  So I have the AK on a two point so I can sling it around behind me.  I know a lot of guys don't like that set up because of weight and a fear the shotty will hang on something while traveling.  But it's an aluminum shotty so it's light (which is why it kicks like a mule with 00) and I haven't had any problems with it hanging up in the brush when stowed.       
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: Kentactic on November 03, 2011, 08:50:25 PM
"Hunting" primary = Rem 700

"Self defense" primary = 870 express

Secondary = G23
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: Currahee on November 03, 2011, 09:05:16 PM
Midlength AR and Glock 17

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/currahee/permanent/gearpron7-11.jpg)
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: mountainredneck2051 on November 03, 2011, 09:18:51 PM
primary: cell phone
secondary: rape whistle
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: Veritas on November 03, 2011, 09:52:50 PM
primary: cell phone
secondary: rape whistle

That rape whistle shit never gets old.

 :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :))
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: TreadOnMeNot on November 03, 2011, 09:59:40 PM
Well, my Ak would be my first choice as primary and my sidearm would be my Glock 17. Second primary's a Nagant, 30-30 levergun. Last ditch tools are a Winchester 190 .22 and an assortment of .22 pistols !  [url=http://yoursmiles.org/p-m
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: mountainredneck2051 on November 03, 2011, 10:02:21 PM
Well, my Ak would be my first choice as primary and my sidearm would be my Glock 17. Second primary's a Nagant, 30-30 levergun. Last ditch tools are a Winchester 190 .22 and an assortment of .22 pistols ! 

winchester 190?
god help you if your ever down to that  (http://yoursmiles.org/p-m
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Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: TreadOnMeNot on November 03, 2011, 10:44:02 PM
Well, my Ak would be my first choice as primary and my sidearm would be my Glock 17. Second primary's a Nagant, 30-30 levergun. Last ditch tools are a Winchester 190 .22 and an assortment of .22 pistols ! 

winchester 190?
god help you if your ever down to that
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Lol, yep, my first rifle and it shoots great but I'd hate to be in the ditch with it.
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: mountainredneck2051 on November 03, 2011, 11:29:52 PM
a lot of the gunsmiths i know won't even work on them, they say they will just break again so they don't want to be responsible for it
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: goodnightChesty1775 on November 04, 2011, 01:10:02 AM
primary,
my AR, DSA upper DD parts..ect
or
springfield m1a
.308 galil
remmy 870

depends whats going on.

secondary, shit nothing i dont have a handgun LOL

maybe a black powder revolver ahha or a peacemaker clone thats all we got!
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: WhiskeyJack on November 04, 2011, 10:47:15 AM
Primary line
AK WASR-10 x2 (don't hate its never failed me and i torture tested it)
Taurus 24/7 longslide .40

Second line
Mossberg 590
Glock 19
K-98 8mm x2 ( i love me some Mauser)
K-98 Swed 6.5 x2
And a sweet little daisy .22 cal rifle for rabbit and squirrel
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: sledge on November 04, 2011, 10:57:07 AM
Primary line
AK WASR-10 x2 (don't hate its never failed me and i torture tested it)

I know a lot of guys trash talk the WASR- 10 but I'll tell you.  My wife has one that has never missed a beat.  Not once.  It eats the cheapest crap I can buy like it was candy.  The finish is ugly as hell but I think it recoils slightly less than my Black Widow. 
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: Reaver on November 04, 2011, 01:55:57 PM
( shrugs shoulders )

My taste are to high for Wasr Quality. ( Insert Sarcastic Smiley )
But I am willing to bet I'll step out of the house in a SHTF situation with it over my AR any day.
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: mountainredneck2051 on November 04, 2011, 02:14:48 PM
kind of random, but i just bought a wilson combat 1911 mag,
damn this thing really is fuckin slick

looks like i'm gonna have to buy more of them
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: WhiskeyJack on November 04, 2011, 02:37:11 PM
Primary line
AK WASR-10 x2 (don't hate its never failed me and i torture tested it)


I know a lot of guys trash talk the WASR- 10 but I'll tell you.  My wife has one that has never missed a beat.  Not once.  It eats the cheapest crap I can buy like it was candy.  The finish is ugly as hell but I think it recoils slightly less than my Black Widow.


ty sledge. im glad someone out there can appreciate the WASR. I bought it for the durability and its ability to eat any ammo i can get my grubby little hands on. I cant really afford to stock the good ammo and train with the crap. So i pretty much have alot of cheap ammo. and it all works just fine. and lets face it if the SHTF we arent going to be able to have our choice of ammo. we will have to use whatever we can find. I would love to have a great AR with 10,000 rds of lake city 5.56. but i'm betting my AK will cycle more crap ammo, in a harsh enviornment than that awsome AR. And i when i say bet i mean mine and my familys life. Cuz thats what we are all betting on our systems and preps.
I will say this for the AR Im seriously contemplating a AR for DM system in 5.56. Unless i can get RVR to part with that sweet M1A [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co And RVR i like the Taurus P92 its a real good hand gun that dosnt need anything out of the box. Taurus has put out some pretty good side arms. im suprised they get overlooked as much as they do. the quality and price are perfect for preppers.
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: rah45 on November 04, 2011, 02:53:29 PM
Tertiary - Sig Sauer P250 (I hear you Rah, how do you like yours? I wish I had gone with the Glock or M&P when I bought this 2 years ago.)


I think that the grip is so amazing I'll miss it most of all. The trigger is as smooth as a baby's bottom. Perhaps best of all, the pistol comes factory-standard with Sig-Lite night sights. Those are the only things I like. The action is DAO (which I didn't know if I'd like or not), and it has a looong pull with a FULL reset. Ridiculous. The Glock is a DAO (even if it is striker-fired), and is still safe to carry even though its trigger's travel distance is at LEAST half that of the P250.

One major factor that influenced my purchase was the ability to switch calibers in an effort to save cost of investing in multiple shooting platforms. I wanted to start out with a 9mm, as I had not shot before (I know, guys, I should have tried it...this was years ago). The caliber exchange kits cost almost as much as a brand new or good used pistol. Ridiculous. The mags' cost are ridiculous.

It's just completely opposite what was advertised about the pistol. Sig Sauer USA really fucked us over...stupid bastards. What they did was lose a customer, damage the Sig Sauer reputation, and, worse, cause many customers (including me) to spread the word about their less-than-quality product. Of the many people who tried the P250, VERY few were satisfied with either the pistol itself (a few who didn't expect the long DAO pull) or the lack of availability or exorbitant prices of accessories/exchange kits (many of the complaints surface here, including mine). It's just not worth getting, IMO, unless you already love shooting DAO revolvers (many older LEO officers were trained on this platform, and the P250 seems made for them...it's like the semi-auto for DAO revolver-shooters).
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: NOLA556 on November 04, 2011, 03:01:42 PM
Tertiary - Sig Sauer P250 (I hear you Rah, how do you like yours? I wish I had gone with the Glock or M&P when I bought this 2 years ago.)


I think that the grip is so amazing I'll miss it most of all. The trigger is as smooth as a baby's bottom. Perhaps best of all, the pistol comes factory-standard with Sig-Lite night sights. Those are the only things I like. The action is DAO (which I didn't know if I'd like or not), and it has a looong pull with a FULL reset. Ridiculous. The Glock is a DAO (even if it is striker-fired), and is still safe to carry even though its trigger's travel distance is at LEAST half that of the P250.

One major factor that influenced my purchase was the ability to switch calibers in an effort to save cost of investing in multiple shooting platforms. I wanted to start out with a 9mm, as I had not shot before (I know, guys, I should have tried it...this was years ago). The caliber exchange kits cost almost as much as a brand new or good used pistol. Ridiculous. The mags' cost are ridiculous.

It's just completely opposite what was advertised about the pistol. Sig Sauer USA really fucked us over...stupid bastards. What they did was lose a customer, damage the Sig Sauer reputation, and, worse, cause many customers (including me) to spread the word about their less-than-quality product. Of the many people who tried the P250, VERY few were satisfied with either the pistol itself (a few who didn't expect the long DAO pull) or the lack of availability or exorbitant prices of accessories/exchange kits (many of the complaints surface here, including mine). It's just not worth getting, IMO, unless you already love shooting DAO revolvers (many older LEO officers were trained on this platform, and the P250 seems made for them...it's like the semi-auto for DAO revolver-shooters).

alot of people love to hate on Glock for the shitty plastic triggers, but that nice short reset makes up for it 110% IMO.
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: mountainredneck2051 on November 04, 2011, 03:11:10 PM
yeah sig is like kimber, once were great now just paying for the name and you don't get the quality you should for the price you pay
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: backwoodsboy on November 04, 2011, 03:22:09 PM
Primary line
AK WASR-10 x2 (don't hate its never failed me and i torture tested it)


I know a lot of guys trash talk the WASR- 10 but I'll tell you.  My wife has one that has never missed a beat.  Not once.  It eats the cheapest crap I can buy like it was candy.  The finish is ugly as hell but I think it recoils slightly less than my Black Widow.


ty sledge. im glad someone out there can appreciate the WASR. I bought it for the durability and its ability to eat any ammo i can get my grubby little hands on. I cant really afford to stock the good ammo and train with the crap. So i pretty much have alot of cheap ammo. and it all works just fine. and lets face it if the SHTF we arent going to be able to have our choice of ammo. we will have to use whatever we can find. I would love to have a great AR with 10,000 rds of lake city 5.56. but i'm betting my AK will cycle more crap ammo, in a harsh enviornment than that awsome AR. And i when i say bet i mean mine and my familys life. Cuz thats what we are all betting on our systems and preps.
I will say this for the AR Im seriously contemplating a AR for DM system in 5.56. Unless i can get RVR to part with that sweet M1A

AGEED! (http://www.smileyvault.co And RVR i like the Taurus P92 its a real good hand gun that dosnt need anything out of the box. Taurus has put out some pretty good side arms. im suprised they get overlooked as much as they do. the quality and price are perfect for preppers.
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Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: Adamska on November 04, 2011, 05:24:16 PM
MAK90 is MBR atm but when I get a better income probly gonna rock my Mini14 with underfolding stock and atm cant decide between my PT92 and my BDM as my secondary could go hollywood and carry both  [img]http://www.smileydesign.n
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: Reaver on November 04, 2011, 05:25:43 PM
Agh, another lover of the PT92

 [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: NOLA556 on November 04, 2011, 05:39:40 PM
Agh, another lover of the PT92

 

is that the Taurus that you're always praising? ... i just don't know man, I've never known anyone who had a 100% positive review (not that particular model, but Taurus in general)

plus I only ever see Taurus and Bersa for sale at Academy Sports, which tells me that it's cheap sweat-shop shit made exclusively for big-box stores. just an observation. I'm not touting my personal observations as fact. (http://www.smileyvault.co
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Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: Reaver on November 04, 2011, 08:04:54 PM
Agh, another lover of the PT92

 

is that the Taurus that you're always praising? ... i just don't know man, I've never known anyone who had a 100% positive review (not that particular model, but Taurus in general)

plus I only ever see Taurus and Bersa for sale at Academy Sports, which tells me that it's cheap sweat-shop shit made exclusively for big-box stores. just an observation. I'm not touting my personal observations as fact.
 ([url]http://www.smileyvault.co[/url]
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You guys know how I am about survival, self preservation. I would not and do not praise a product if I did not trust it.
I'm always saying, " you can have a $1,500 rifle but when shit goes stupid, you'll leave the house with a $300 AK47 every time. Because that bitch will work "
I don't know about other products, I've owned 2 other Taurus's and they where ok. Hell maybe I just go lucky with the one I got. But I know ( because I've tested it ) The PT92AF that I have, works under some pretty stress full situations. So it has my  [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: Adamska on November 05, 2011, 03:03:44 AM
In my expirence...Most people who bash Taurus never owned one or its another my brothers girfriends dads friend of a friend who his friend was some guys uncle dident like it...People bash anything thats a good firearm that can be had at a decent price Taurus "bad rep" came from when the company first started all companies make lemons even Kimber and Sig....I wish people would shut up if they never owned one I dont bash hi-points cos I never owned one. they wouldent put a life time warrenty on a used firearm from 30 years ago if they dident think it wouldent work and even if you do have an issue they take care of it

Not like Sig when they treat you like your stupid for accuseing gods gun company to make 1 damn lemon. just my 2 cents but what do I know Im a Taurus owner so it makes me less then human I guess lol...
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: goodnightChesty1775 on November 05, 2011, 03:12:48 AM
In my expirence...Most people who bash Taurus never owned one or its another my brothers girfriends dads friend of a friend who his friend was some guys uncle dident like it...People bash anything thats a good firearm that can be had at a decent price Taurus "bad rep" came from when the company first started all companies make lemons even Kimber and Sig....I wish people would shut up if they never owned one I dont bash hi-points cos I never owned one. they wouldent put a life time warrenty on a used firearm from 30 years ago if they dident think it wouldent work and even if you do have an issue they take care of it

Not like Sig when they treat you like your stupid for accuseing gods gun company to make 1 damn lemon. just my 2 cents but what do I know Im a Taurus owner so it makes me less then human I guess lol...



taurus sucks.


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Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: WhiskeyJack on November 05, 2011, 11:09:49 AM
LOL. Dont hold back chesty. tell us how you really feel. LOL
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: Adamska on November 05, 2011, 12:14:23 PM
In my expirence...Most people who bash Taurus never owned one or its another my brothers girfriends dads friend of a friend who his friend was some guys uncle dident like it...People bash anything thats a good firearm that can be had at a decent price Taurus "bad rep" came from when the company first started all companies make lemons even Kimber and Sig....I wish people would shut up if they never owned one I dont bash hi-points cos I never owned one. they wouldent put a life time warrenty on a used firearm from 30 years ago if they dident think it wouldent work and even if you do have an issue they take care of it

Not like Sig when they treat you like your stupid for accuseing gods gun company to make 1 damn lemon. just my 2 cents but what do I know Im a Taurus owner so it makes me less then human I guess lol...



taurus sucks.


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Title: Gonna stir the Pot some But?
Post by: RONSERESURPLUS on November 08, 2011, 08:45:14 AM
Helo all,RON L here I guess what I'm Gonna say will stir the Pot some, but is not made to offend anyone, but is simply my Observations?


  I'm not a Big Fan of the Beretta M-9/M-92 design! Period, I see many thngs about it I like that it has decent sites right out of the Box, a High cap mag you can get without breaking the bank, But Dude the open Top design, WHY? It's a Weakness that the Military suffered though and I've seen far too many Cracked slides and even a few frames cracked? The Taurus copy I have owned and liked it fine, as well as a Beretta anyhow? The fact that I could modify USGI M-9 mags to fit my Taurus made it nice! I never had any Cracking Frame or Slide isues with the Taurus copy of the M-92, but always was concerned one day, if I shot the # of rounds that I do, I would? That said, I have had some great Taurus handguns! I'ver had and owned then sold off a few different 38 Snubs in the past copies of the S& W model 36 I think they were ther Model 85, but don't quote me? All were 2" 38 Snubs and were as good as the Old J-Frame I sit here with strapped to my ass as we speak! I owned a few Model 92 and as well Model 99 M-92 Copies and I did enjoy then, taking in account my Hatred fro Open top designs? Of late (last 5 years or so), I have seen a Disturbing trend in some Taurus Models for Malfunction, mostly in the smnaller 9MM and 45 Compact Pistols, Not sure the Model Numbers, but all were smaller frame striker fired models if I re-call, several trips back to taurus didn't fix the Problems and the ownes gave up? Seen a few different Problem with a few different 22 models, as well as 38 Revolver malfunctions as well as a 357 Revolver all sent back to taurus all waited a Long time and all came back Not working any better? What good is a Lifetime warranty if they send it back with ussues still? Not Hating on taurus, But asking those that own them, what they have seen? I've sold too many and see too many bad ones of Late to recomend a Taurus, Sorry gents, Just my opinion, but one formed as an FFL dealer and one that has sold, bought and used weapos for decades? I see Taurus as No More dependable than Charter arms and I will Not Recomend a Charter Arms to anyone, periiod! You make your own decision, and buy your own Guns, but thats my advice!!!!

RON
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: Ghost on November 08, 2011, 10:06:55 AM
Primary is a .308 bolt gun at the moment. Secondary is a bird gun (a gun that fires birds as projectiles) ;D



Depending on what goes on between now and Jan/Feb., that may or may not change into something more bad ass.


Actually, come to think of it, it will change either way. It's either going to be a CZ858 as my primary, or good ol Canadian Forces issue C7A2 [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: backwoodsboy on November 08, 2011, 10:53:41 AM
before buying a cz858 take into consideration thatmags might be hard to find.
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: Ghost on November 08, 2011, 10:55:28 AM
before buying a cz858 take into consideration thatmags might be hard to find.
They're actually relatively cheap. As well as 7.62x39. Since it's one of the few non-restricted rifles we can get here in Canada, places import a LOT of spare parts/mags/etc..
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: backwoodsboy on November 08, 2011, 10:58:28 AM
my bad man i didnt know u were in canada, btw how much is 7.62x39 over there?
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: Ghost on November 08, 2011, 11:04:08 AM
my bad man i didnt know u were in canada, btw how much is 7.62x39 over there?

I've found some places that have the cases of 1200 rds of surplus for around 220-250 range. There's one place that has the cases of 1400 rds of surplus for 280 bucks, and for an extra 75 you can get an SKS(Chinese Model 56). Pretty sweet deal.
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: backwoodsboy on November 08, 2011, 11:10:13 AM
holy crap ill givem the extra 75 for a sks any day. u better get that sks boy in my opinion they are great rifles!
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: Ghost on November 08, 2011, 11:15:44 AM
I may, but I have other priorities to tend to first. There's another place that offer package deals. For example, a pack of 5 SKS' for around 800 bucks. Pretty good it you want to equip a group, and you had the cash.
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: backwoodsboy on November 08, 2011, 11:35:57 AM
DAM thats like 165 a rifle, id get 4 people i know and split the cost!
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: Reaver on November 08, 2011, 04:15:14 PM
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the Taurus P92 its a real good hand gun that dosnt need anything out of the box. Taurus has put out some pretty good side arms. im suprised they get overlooked as much as they do. the quality and price are perfect for preppers.   


I concur 100%

Especially, if you have your stocks filled. And have gotten to the point that you just need bangers as hand out weapons or tradeables.
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: Rail Driver on November 11, 2011, 11:46:35 PM
My primary is either a Saiga 12 or a Saiga 7.62x39. Sidearm is either a Colt 1911 or my G26.
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: GoddamnUncleSam on November 12, 2011, 01:03:19 AM
Bcm ar
G22 gen 3
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: GoddamnUncleSam on November 14, 2011, 02:13:23 AM
Bcm ar
G22 gen 3


Ahh, finally someone else with a bcm! 

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Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: hjmoosejaw on January 21, 2012, 09:25:00 PM
Primary:  SKS         Sidearm:   SIg P226 E2 version, 40 cal.
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: 1000meterstare on January 21, 2012, 11:14:22 PM
1)  WASR-10 with tapco g2 trigger group, sling, and birdcage flas-hider.

2)  Ruger p97 with 4 mags.

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Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: RS762 on January 21, 2012, 11:50:41 PM
My MAK-90 and Spike's Middy and my EAA Witness .45
(both primaries because I can't decide although i lean MAK)
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: Kobalt on January 22, 2012, 12:01:38 AM
M1 garand, or ruger 1022
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: themighty9mm on January 22, 2012, 02:47:35 AM
Pair of colt 6920's for long arm. Pair of beretta 92fs's for sidearm. Also S&W 686 depending on what my need or ammo situation may be
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: goodnightChesty1775 on January 23, 2012, 01:40:43 AM
what glass do you have on that AR rusty?
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: RS762 on January 23, 2012, 02:15:40 AM
what glass do you have on that AR rusty?

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Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: themighty9mm on January 23, 2012, 09:32:23 PM
In my expirence...Most people who bash Taurus never owned one or its another my brothers girfriends dads friend of a friend who his friend was some guys uncle dident like it...People bash anything thats a good firearm that can be had at a decent price Taurus "bad rep" came from when the company first started all companies make lemons even Kimber and Sig....I wish people would shut up if they never owned one I dont bash hi-points cos I never owned one. they wouldent put a life time warrenty on a used firearm from 30 years ago if they dident think it wouldent work and even if you do have an issue they take care of it

Not like Sig when they treat you like your stupid for accuseing gods gun company to make 1 damn lemon. just my 2 cents but what do I know Im a Taurus owner so it makes me less then human I guess lol...

I have owned a taurus 605. By far the absolute worst trigger I have ever used. And I am very comfortable with DA. Fit of parts was mediocre at best, but the thing worked. And kimbers are garbage, and from my experience with a cutom 2 they dont stand behind their product.
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: gapatriot on January 23, 2012, 10:05:16 PM
My primary is my rape whistle and my secoundary is my cell phone, i carry both of them everyday. [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: mountainredneck2051 on January 29, 2012, 01:42:49 AM
My primary is my rape whistle and my secoundary is my cell phone, i carry both of them everyday.

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Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: EJR914 on January 29, 2012, 01:47:22 AM
My primary is my rape whistle and my secoundary is my cell phone, i carry both of them everyday.

I'm shocked they haven't come out with a cell phone that has a rape whistle attached.

I'm sure there is a rape whistle app out there for all your smart phone users.  LOL
Title: Re: Whats Ur Shtf Primary/Sidearm?
Post by: WhiteWolf on January 29, 2012, 02:03:14 AM
Sig Sauer 5.56 and my Ruger P345.  [url=http://www.freesmileys.or