Unchained Preppers
General Category => Security & Survival => Topic started by: Colombo on January 06, 2012, 12:50:08 PM
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Come on guys, we're better than this...
I see a lot of pontificating, pissing, bitching, and dick measuring about weapon choice, action type, caliber, and controls of various weapons here and feel that many of us are missing some important points.
Familiarity, personal style (technique and temperament), and intended use are sometimes touched upon but don't seem to get the respect they need. I personally would rather have someone who has thought out their own use and has high personal skill with an old 94 lever action and a ratty but functional smith model 10 than the person who has a nice shiny new aug and 5.7 sidearm but has given little thought in their choice and the use of those weapons nor the capabilities of themselves or their weapon. There's some arguing going on here about weapon safeties of all things [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at.
Run what you brung and run it well are my only considerations.
If someone worthwhile shows up at my door with a semi 1919A6 and are skilled enough and bad ass enough to effectively carry and employ it, have at it buddy. Your eyes and ears and your personal choice of boomsticks can only help me. I would of course expect him to be the go to guy for roadblocks but if he can hump that beast thru the woods and put out effective fire he's welcome to come along. Same goes for a .22 rifle and pistol armed buddy, more points of effective fire and good tactics can only help. It all comes down to skill. As far as practice or amount of rounds put down range training, I have seen people burn pounds of ammo "sighting in a rifle" to little effect and some people who learn and improve noticeably with one 20 round box of ammo.
You all want examples, just take a look at some of the equipment used against "superior" armies historically and give careful consideration to the tactics, training, and attitudes that increased its effectiveness.
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+1 for speakin the truth.
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You're completely correct, Colombo. [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
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LOL! I've got a straw, an empty cigarette box full of spit balls, I keep one in the chamber, and I can hit someone in the forehead at 40 paces consistently. If I knock on the door can I join the team? :)
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I've got a straw, an empty cigarette box full of spit balls, I keep one in the chamber, and I can hit someone in the forehead at 40 paces consistently. If I knock on the door can I join the team? :)
Eww...you can keep your spit to yourself!
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I've got a straw, an empty cigarette box full of spit balls, I keep one in the chamber, and I can hit someone in the forehead at 40 paces consistently. If I knock on the door can I join the team? :)
Soak em in dmso and cyanide and they might be effective >:D Just don't inhale :o
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I've got a straw, an empty cigarette box full of spit balls, I keep one in the chamber, and I can hit someone in the forehead at 40 paces consistently. If I knock on the door can I join the team? :)
Soak em in dmso and cyanide and they might be effective >:D Just don't inhale :o
LOL! Sounds like good advice. Actually, as far as .22's go, they fit into a defensive plan pretty well and our group intends to make use of them if it ever comes to that.
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LOL! Sounds like good advice. Actually, as far as .22's go, they fit into a defensive plan pretty well and our group intends to make use of them if it ever comes to that.
I've always thought it would be a good idea to have a couple of those automatic .22 machine guns. People talk about suppressive fire...use that to suppress, and your riflemen to get good hits. I think it would be cheaper and thus more effective that way. Nobody wants to get shot, even if it's only a .22.
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LOL! Sounds like good advice. Actually, as far as .22's go, they fit into a defensive plan pretty well and our group intends to make use of them if it ever comes to that.
I've always thought it would be a good idea to have a couple of those automatic .22 machine guns. People talk about suppressive fire...use that to suppress, and your riflemen to get good hits. I think it would be cheaper and thus more effective that way. Nobody wants to get shot, even if it's only a .22.
I agree with the concept but I don't think you need an auto fire machine gun to get an adversary to get their heads down. Dust kicking up around them will do the trick.
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I agree with the concept but I don't think you need an auto fire machine gun to get an adversary to get their heads down. Dust kicking up around them will do the trick.
I only advocate the machine gun because of its large mag/belt capacity. I think that someone made a rotary trigger for the Ruger 10/22, and if you could find a way to get 50-rd or 100-rd mags for it I think you could get a bipod and practice steady aiming while turning the trigger for extreme firepower capability.
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I agree, arguments over guns are about the same as arguing over any opinion. Neither is right, neither is wrong. In the end, it will lead to nowhere. On the same note when you strongly disagree with something, at times it can be difficult to pull yourself back from it.
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i dissagree with everything in this thread. if some one else types something after me i dissagree ahead of time.
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i dissagree with everything in this thread. if some one else types something after me i dissagree ahead of time.
Was that a preemptive disagree? :) I've heard of them but I don't think I've ever witnessed one before.
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Man, TG comes on and it gets quiet in here. LOL!
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I am with Ken, if you are not carrying the same weapons system as me then you are a joker.
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i dissagree with everything in this thread. if some one else types something after me i dissagree ahead of time.
I hereby announce a preemptive and very clever shooting down of your preemptive disagreement. [url=http://yoursmiles.org/p-m and would also like to point out the obvious superiority of an AK for emergency propulsion in space.
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Of course you must maintain a standard of weapons.
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I am with Ken, if you are not carrying the same weapons system as me then you are a joker.
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LOL! I know TG loves that little popgun he's got. You can see it in his videos. He gets this orgasmic look on his face when he's shooting it. LOL!
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Colombo
ROn L here
I thought this was well said and well Played, I applaude you sir for your good Post!!!! We are better thasn this and while we can have an opinion it need not lead to all the bickering and such!!!! Here here!!!!
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Sledge is right, I love my popgun but that said Ron and Columbo have nailed it. There is no perfect choice.
Sorry for making jokes and for busting your balls Rah I will try to be better next time.
Can't we all just get along?
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Can't we all just get along?
I can get along. As long as everyone bows towards Russia, touches their noses to the ground and chants "Ak's Are Supreme". Yeah, i know. It doesn't take much to make me happy. :)
Seriously, whose not getting along? We all have our own opinions. I haven't heard anyone say anything nasty or insulting yet.
I also still can't hear a large crowd saying " Ak's Are Supreme", what the hell is up with that? :)
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I'd rather drive a Prius than run an AK as my primary.
Damn! [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
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I'd rather drive a Prius than run an AK as my primary.
I drive a new Prius. What the hell is wrong with a Prius? >:(
LOL! No I don't. :) The Gun Gods aren't going to be happy with you.
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I drive a new Prius. What the hell is wrong with a Prius? >:(
Gay stigma.
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All I got to say Sledge is that AKs break windsheilds.
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I drive a new Prius. What the hell is wrong with a Prius? >:(
Gay stigma.
LOL! Oh, is that all. Might be fun to own a Prius and see if you get any smart ass comments. Can you mount a torrent to the top of one?
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Sorry for making jokes and for busting your balls Rah I will try to be better next time.
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Don't you mean Ken?
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That was a Great video!!! :) Billy Bob has never been to England. All Billy Bob ever really says is, "I need a bigger gun!"
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sledge what kind of primary do u run anyway?
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sledge what kind of primary do u run anyway?
The gun that has made more mothers cry than any other in history.
The gun that goes bang regardless of the conditions.
The gun that doesn't need a few drops of oil to keep it running.
The gun that is so simple it only takes a few minutes to learn it.
The gun that you don't care if it bumps or rubs against something that mars the finish, because the finish already looks like shit.
The gun that can spit out steel cased ammo without choking on itself.
The gun that has one of the largest, if not the largest assortment of ammo choices.
The one you can build in your garage if you have the right tools.
Need I say more? :)
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sledge what kind of primary do u run anyway?
The gun that has made more mothers cry than any other in history.
The gun that goes bang regardless of the conditions.
The gun that doesn't need a few drops of oil to keep it running.
The gun that is so simple it only takes a few minutes to learn it.
The gun that you don't care if it bumps or rubs against something that mars the finish, because the finish already looks like shit.
The gun that can spit out steel cased ammo without choking on itself.
The gun that has one of the largest, if not the largest assortment of ammo choices.
The one you can build in your garage if you have the right tools.
Need I say more? :)
A sling shot? :))
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sledge what kind of primary do u run anyway?
The gun that has made more mothers cry than any other in history.
The gun that goes bang regardless of the conditions.
The gun that doesn't need a few drops of oil to keep it running.
The gun that is so simple it only takes a few minutes to learn it.
The gun that you don't care if it bumps or rubs against something that mars the finish, because the finish already looks like shit.
The gun that can spit out steel cased ammo without choking on itself.
The gun that has one of the largest, if not the largest assortment of ammo choices.
The one you can build in your garage if you have the right tools.
Need I say more? :)
A sling shot?
DAMN your good! :) About the same distance, about the same accuracy. LOL!
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I'm going to say...an AK variant, Sledge.
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I'm going to say...an AK variant, Sledge.
Yep. :)
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Damn, I'm in trouble. I drive a Prius AND run an AK as my primary. I must be worse than the devil himself. But my friends all say I'm such a nice guy... >:D
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Whatever you shoot the best with, can manipulate the best, and the one that you practice with the most is the best weapon system. Period.
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Sledge you should look into your palm and then apply it to your face... only like half of that list is true.
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Sledge you should look into your palm and then apply it to your face... only like half of that list is true.
Yeah TG is right. Alot of moms have cried because their sons guns jammed.
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Sledge you should look into your palm and then apply it to your face... only like half of that list is true.
Indeed TG, please specifically list what wasn't true. This should be interesting. I need a big ear icon to indicate that I'm listening. LOL!
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sorry i have to agree with sledge on this, for the reason that ive seen alot of ars that wont shoot steel cased ammo, think about it, in a shtf situation what if u have and ar and you come across 500 rounds of steel cased ammo someones wiling to trade for food, wouldnt you feel sick. if it was a ak you can load any type of caseing and it will function.
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BWB, bro you are out of your lane. Breath deep and move over.
Sledge,
AKs need lube, ask 505th.
I can put a magazine into my rifle without having to rock it to sleep first.
What about the finish of the gun effects its performance more so how is your rifle looking like a beat piece a selling point?
ARs eat steel they just don't go back to brass without a cleaning. If you ever ran brass in your ak you would know it won't do it either. That is not a platform thing it's a chemical thing.
Where is all this ammo choice? Would that be caliber or maker?
If I had the right tools I could build a spaceship.
I am not trying to crack nuts here I am just tired of hearing people compair the AK to the AR. The AK is a fantastic submachine gun it is not now nor has it ever been a rifle so to compare it to one isn't fair to either platform.
BWB's comment is a perfect example of what I am talking about. So much bad information exists that the poor young man can't figure out wether he is coming or going. Won't someone please thing of the children?
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BWB, bro you are out of your lane. Breath deep and move over.
Sledge,
AKs need lube, ask 505th.
I can put a magazine into my rifle without having to rock it to sleep first.
What about the finish of the gun effects its performance more so how is your rifle looking like a beat piece a selling point?
ARs eat steel they just don't go back to brass without a cleaning. If you ever ran brass in your ak you would know it won't do it either. That is not a platform thing it's a chemical thing.
Where is all this ammo choice? Would that be caliber or maker?
If I had the right tools I could build a spaceship.
I am not trying to crack nuts here I am just tired of hearing people compair the AK to the AR. The AK is a fantastic submachine gun it is not now nor has it ever been a rifle so to compare it to one isn't fair to either platform.
BWB's comment is a perfect example of what I am talking about. So much bad information exists that the poor young man can't figure out wether he is coming or going. Won't someone please thing of the children?
LOL! LOL! AR are guys are way too sensitive. :) BWB's question was, "Sledge, what kind of gun are you running?" Who said anything about comparing AR's to AK's?
I answered him in the form of a game. So I answered him with a series of statements that if they were any truer would have been placed in the Bible. :o
AK's do not need lube in order to run effectively! Period. If you do need lube it's too tight. That said, when I clean mine I place a small dab of white grease on each rail. That's not so it will run, that's just an effort to get it to last for 1,000 years instead of 200.
How does not having to rock an AR mag to sleep have anything to do with me running an AK? I'm not understanding. But ok, whatever. :)
I never said anything about the finish on my AK affecting it's performance or increasing it's resale value. I was describing what I run.
I'm very happy that AR's can eat steel. I don't run brass in my AKs as they seem to love the taste of the cheap shit. Which makes me happier still. :) Original question, "Sledge, what gun do you run?"
Ammo Choices: FMJ HP, SP 122gr, 123gr, 124gr, 125gr (just saw this one for the first time), 137gr fragmenting, 154gr, available in corrosive and non corrosive (yes, there are advantages to each), armor piercing, phosphorus.
Maybe I should have just said, "BWB I run an AK."
Really guys, ya'll are taking anything said as an attack on the precious AR platform. :) Actually, it's pretty funny as it says something about the platform that it's supporters have to be so defensive about it. Personally, I like AR's just fine. Don't own one for my own reasons. Just like ya'll own one for your own reasons. It's all good with me. :) Be happy guys!
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Todays ridiculous statement is brought to you by kentactic...
"A Shotgun is way better then both the AR and the AK."
LMAO...
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Okay guys, fun's over. This thread has completely reversed itself from its original intent. Get back on topic, or start a new thread.
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First off motherfuckers, jam is put on toast; it's called a malfunction.
I've put over 4,000 rounds of steel cased through my 6 month old AR and have had 0 malfunctions, yes ZERO. As for the other 4,000 rounds of brass I've shot through her I've had....ZERO malfunctions. So I know not of all these mysterious issues? Perhaps it can be attributed to running a cheap POS non-spec AR.
So hardy harrr harrrr
Pay once cry once, take the cheap way out and you'll cry every time.
I submit for exhibit 1; the famous Filthy 14
[url]http://www.slip2000.com/art-swat2.html[/url] ([url]http://www.slip2000.com/art-swat2.html[/url])
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Oh man that "filthy 14" story was AWESOME!
But straight up TG, good AK's do not need lube, i've ran mine dry for more than a year with no wear or functionality issues, if you have an AK that won't run bone dry it's honestly piece of crap.
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Okay guys, fun's over. This thread has completely reversed itself from its original intent. Get back on topic, or start a new thread.
LOL! "Weapons Choice Arguments". After reading all the posts through again I'm pretty sure we're still on topic. :)
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Todays ridiculous statement is brought to you by kentactic...
"A Shotgun is way better then both the AR and the AK."
LMAO...
Kentucky long rifle.
Argument = Over.
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LOL! "Weapons Choice Arguments". After reading all the posts through again I'm pretty sure we're still on topic. :)
'Fraid not. The title of this thread reflects the subject, but does not necessarily approve of it. Observe.
Come on guys, we're better than this...
I see a lot of pontificating, pissing, bitching, and dick measuring about weapon choice, action type, caliber, and controls of various weapons here and feel that many of us are missing some important points.
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Run what you brung and run it well are my only considerations.
Obviously, the original intent of this thread was to chastise the caliber/platform arguments present on this forum. Therefore, any such arguments derail this thread. Take it elsewhere, gents.
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I see a lot of pontificating, pissing, bitching, and dick measuring about weapon choice, action type, caliber, and controls of various weapons here and feel that many of us are missing some important points.
I don't see any of that. Put it back in your pants please. This isn't a pissing contest. :)
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I thought we were supposed to argue... :(
I know I got a touch of the "hurt feelings" but Pat mother fucking Rogers!
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I see a lot of pontificating, pissing, bitching, and dick measuring about weapon choice, action type, caliber, and controls of various weapons here and feel that many of us are missing some important points.
I don't see any of that. Put it back in your pants please. This isn't a pissing contest. :)
Look people. I publicly apologize to Rah for that statement. It wasn't meant to be aggressive. I did say please. And I wouldn't be offended if anyone said it to me. (And about half of you f@ckers have said worse to me. LOL!) But Rah isn't me and he felt insulted. That wasn't my intent and I do apologize to him.
I do still think this thread was mostly guys toying with each other in a good hearted manner. And I don't think anyone was offended or upset. If I'm wrong and I offended anyone in the thread (other than Rah) please let me know. If you've been nice to me in the past I'll apologize and if you haven't I'll tell you where to go. LOL! Just playing.
Rah, I like you a lot you serious son of a gun. I hope you know that. You should hear what I say to people I don't like. :)
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I see a lot of pontificating, pissing, bitching, and dick measuring about weapon choice, action type, caliber, and controls of various weapons here and feel that many of us are missing some important points.
I don't see any of that. Put it back in your pants please. This isn't a pissing contest. :)
Look people. I publicly apologize to Rah for that statement. It wasn't meant to be aggressive. I did say please. And I wouldn't be offended if anyone said it to me. (And about half of you f@ckers have said worse to me. LOL!) But Rah isn't me and he felt insulted. That wasn't my intent and I do apologize to him.
I do still think this thread was mostly guys toying with each other in a good hearted manner. And I don't think anyone was offended or upset. If I'm wrong and I offended anyone in the thread (other than Rah) please let me know. If you've been nice to me in the past I'll apologize and if you haven't I'll tell you where to go. LOL! Just playing.
Rah, I like you a lot you serious son of a gun. I hope you know that. You should hear what I say to people I don't like. :)
I appreciate the effort. I really was not terribly insulted, as I know that it's hard to get to know one another over the internet. I'm pretty serious about many things, and personal characteristics (such as a tendency to "swing dicks," so to speak) are very important to me. I only wanted to make it clear in our PMs that I try to avoid those types of situations. You and I are still good, Sledge. ;)
Regarding the moderation earlier, I still stand by what I said. However, I also know that I can be very technical about things, especially rules. Technically, this thread really is about not arguing so much about the different choices in gear/firearms, but instead embracing the thought of "each to his own." I can see that you guys were competitively jesting, but in my mind it still isn't the proper thread for it. I suppose everyone sees it a different way, and that's fine. If Colombo isn't offended by the derailment of his thread (my primary concern, here), and the administrators are okay with it, then I really do not have a problem with it.
@TG: I DID warn you that I could be quite technical about this stuff. ;D I'll do my job as best as I can according to forum rules until admin says otherwise, and that's fine by me.
No feelings hurt here. As I've said before, it's the internet. So, miscommunication is a constant danger, it's hard to truly get to know one another, and thus more leeway is necessary than in person. That's how I roll. Now, please continue. I won't post more about moderation here. [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
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I'd hug you if you were close enough. Man hug. No gay thing. Quick chest bump and look the other way. :)
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I'd hug you if you were close enough. Man hug. No gay thing. Quick chest bump and look the other way. :)
:) *Hugs Sledge* :) ??? :-[ *Runs away*
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I'd hug you if you were close enough. Man hug. No gay thing. Quick chest bump and look the other way. :)
:) *Hugs Sledge* :) ??? :-[ *Runs away*
Does anyone else think that a "glitter bomb" just detonated in here?
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I'd hug you if you were close enough. Man hug. No gay thing. Quick chest bump and look the other way. :)
:) *Hugs Sledge* :) ??? :-[ *Runs away*
Does anyone else think that a "glitter bomb" just detonated in here?
What exactly is a glitter bomb? I'm not familiar with the term.
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See what happens, Sledge? I warned you about posting contents of our PMs on the public forum!!! >:(
:P
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See what happens, Sledge? I warned you about posting contents of our PMs on the public forum!!! >:(
:P
Yeah, well I'm still waiting to find out what the f@ck a glitter bomb is before I react. It better being something that kills everyone within a 500 yard radius..
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See what happens, Sledge? I warned you about posting contents of our PMs on the public forum!!! >:(
:P
Yeah, well I'm still waiting to find out what the f@ck a glitter bomb is before I react. It better being something that kills everyone within a 500 yard radius..
Watch: http://straightprep.com/forum/index.php?topic=1494.msg15715#msg15715 (http://straightprep.com/forum/index.php?topic=1494.msg15715#msg15715)
"Glitter Bomb" @ 5:14
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See what happens, Sledge? I warned you about posting contents of our PMs on the public forum!!! >:(
:P
Yeah, well I'm still waiting to find out what the f@ck a glitter bomb is before I react. It better being something that kills everyone within a 500 yard radius..
Watch: [url]http://straightprep.com/forum/index.php?topic=1494.msg15715#msg15715[/url] ([url]http://straightprep.com/forum/index.php?topic=1494.msg15715#msg15715[/url])
"Glitter Bomb" @ 5:14
I figured. That's okay, I'm very secure in my heterosexuality. I actually find it hilarious to see another straight guy squirm the minute a gay guy walks within 10 yards of him. I mean, if he's not showing out, hitting on you, or describing his post-mealtime "desserts," who the hell cares? LOL
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See what happens, Sledge? I warned you about posting contents of our PMs on the public forum!!! >:(
:P
Yeah, well I'm still waiting to find out what the f@ck a glitter bomb is before I react. It better being something that kills everyone within a 500 yard radius..
Watch: [url]http://straightprep.com/forum/index.php?topic=1494.msg15715#msg15715[/url] ([url]http://straightprep.com/forum/index.php?topic=1494.msg15715#msg15715[/url])
"Glitter Bomb" @ 5:14
Did he say "Turning Gay"? I couldn't quite make it out but it sounded kind of like he might have said that. Be back in a few. I've got to go kick my dog now..................... Dog, this is from special k. If you ever see him I want you to bite the shit out of him.
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Dog's kind of pissed right now. He wanting to know who the hell special k is and where can he find him. LOL!
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Dog's kind of pissed right now. He wanting to know who the hell special k is and where can he find him. LOL!
Tell your dog to look for a very long line of dogs then get in the back of the line! >:D
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Dog's kind of pissed right now. He wanting to know who the hell special k is and where can he find him. LOL!
Tell your dog to look for a very long line of dogs then get in the back of the line! >:D
LOL! Yeah, I feel that way sometimes too. Usually about the first of the month. LOL!
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Rah, you know I have always played fast and loose. I get burned from time to time but I wouldn't want it any other way. You guys that are Mods each have your own quality that makes you perfect for the job.
Rah, you are a stickler for the rules. I don't even have to know the rules because you do and will see to it that everyone plays by them.
Sledge, you are understanding, calm and kind. You add brevity where you see the need for it and help keep shit light and fresh.
Special-K, you sir are an asshole and it warms the very cockles of my heart.
MountainRedneck, I thought I was the biggest troll on the interwebz till I crawled back under my bridge and saw your big ol' flipper prints all over the place and a words 'suck it' spray painted on the wall.
Nola, nola... why are you a mod?
Each one of you brings something to the table. Each one of you seasons the StraightPrep stew. I couldn't, nay I wouldn't do it without you.
So lets end this petty squabbling and come together over what really matters... our undying love for the AR-15 platform :o
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Well said. I almost spit my drink out of my mouth while choking on it. LOL!
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...Special-K, you sir are an asshole and it warms the very cockles of my heart...
I was beginning to think that no one would ever notice. *wipes tear of joy from eye*
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Well, if this topic wasn't derailed before, it certainly is now. :))
Nice post, TG.
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We need to put more gun powder in your sweet tea Rah, you should have said that calling Special-K an asshole violated the ROE!
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We need to put more gun powder in your sweet tea Rah, you should have said that calling Special-K an asshole violated the ROE!
Nah, I already had gunpowder in it...hence, my thought that it was a great idea to let you call him an asshole! ;D