My slug change-over

[Kentactic]

Not looking for the fat kid in his basement to give me any advice. But for those of you who train on a shotgun and see errors in my method id like to hear them. Ive decided to build up my own version of how i do various things with my weapons. This was the version off the top of my head for a Slug change out. In this scenario well assume the guns got atleast one in the tube and a round chambered. both being 00B. I show you how i run my gun in the beginning of the video. The two rouns primer up are the mock slugs. I reset the one in the tube and retain the one from the chamber in my dump pouch which i will be running full of loose 00B. I realize im looking down alot. Im just looking for mechanical advice. This is the first few times ive even tried this method.

Slug change out

Im liking this method because it comes natural. Im fine with losing efficiency some what for a more natural second nature method. So far the one thing im not in love with is reaching accross to drop the spare 00B round in the pouch. but worst case scenario i drop it, not that big of a deal.

Edit: Watching the magpul version im pretty much doing the exact same thing... lol... Havent seen them do it with a round chambered though so i havent seen what they do to retain the chambered round.

[thatGuy]

I watched the video before I read your last couple of lines and thought "gee wiss, he ought to have the dump bag his right side."

It's the side you are using to manipulate your rounds with so it follows that it should be in the down and neutral position.

I agree that you should be doing what feels best because it's what you are going to fall back on anyhow.

Good work Ken, keep rocking that shotty!

[Kentactic]

I watched the video before I read your last couple of lines and thought "gee wiss, he ought to have the dump bag his right side."

It's the side you are using to manipulate your rounds with so it follows that it should be in the down and neutral position.

I agree that you should be doing what feels best because it's what you are going to fall back on anyhow.

Good work Ken, keep rocking that shotty!

Lol yeah id prefer it on my right side for sure. perhaps behind the pistol on my right side will be better. Have to play with it. Thanks for the reply TG.

[special-k]

Try retaining the round with your teeth.  It'll probably shave a half second and most importantly keep your head up and forward.

[Kentactic]

Try retaining the round with your teeth.  It'll probably shave a half second and most importantly keep your head up and forward.

Put your dad on the phone please...

[special-k]

Try retaining the round with your teeth.  It'll probably shave a half second and most importantly keep your head up and forward.

Put your dad on the phone please...

You're right.  I'm an imbecile...shouldn't even be allowed to own a gun.  I have to go now, and eat hot pockets in the basement.

[Kentactic]

After doing this some more the dump pouch worked its way around to the front on my left side. Its not such a reach up front. Also i think having it on my left side makes reloading from the pouch much easier since my left hands the one that feeds rounds into the tube and chamber when loading from the pouch.

[Kentactic]

He just uses his off hand to load from the side saddle where i use my Strong side. Testing more in order to retain the slug using the right hand seems much more reliable. 

Magpul Slug Changeovers

[thatGuy]

I too take my support hand and cup the ejection port from the bottom and then roll the gun over so gravity pulls the round out.

If I recall correctly I slug my Remington in the Nachos video.

Another thing, you guys need to take it easy, Special-K offered up what I thought was pretty good advice. Shells are plastic and you could bite on one all day long. But you just went straight to shitting on him.

I know I need to work on this too and it's why I was so quick to see it. 

[EJR914]

Looking good man.  You're pretty smooth at it right now.  I would stick with whatever you feel is most comfortable and natural for you in the manipulation for the shotty and the ammo.

I agree with putting the dump pouch on your right side for the shotgun ammo, if you're going to be using your right hand to manipulate the ammo.  With that said, though, if you're also going to have a pistol on your right side in SHTF for a back up, you may have to position the dump pouch in front of your pistol so it won't get in the way. 

Keep up the good work, and I'd love one day to start working on a tactical shotty training for myself one day, as its really sweet, and certainly has its tactical place.  Right now, I'm only working on rifles, but I  may take up this mantle one day and train with it.

Overall it looks good man, just keep practicing what you're doing man.

[Kentactic]

I too take my support hand and cup the ejection port from the bottom and then roll the gun over so gravity pulls the round out.

If I recall correctly I slug my Remington in the Nachos video.

Another thing, you guys need to take it easy, Special-K offered up what I thought was pretty good advice. Shells are plastic and you could bite on one all day long. But you just went straight to shitting on him.

I know I need to work on this too and it's why I was so quick to see it.

I see.. in the case of this scenario the round cant be rolled out as it was already chambered. Ill check out the nacho video.

I thought for sure he was being sarcastic with the round in teeth comment. Perhaps i jumped to conclusions.

[EJR914]

Another thing, you guys need to take it easy, Special-K offered up what I thought was pretty good advice. Shells are plastic and you could bite on one all day long. But you just went straight to shitting on him.

I know I need to work on this too and it's why I was so quick to see it.

The kind lover side of you is showing.   

I agree, no reason to shit right on special-K when he was actually giving you decent advice.  I see no problem in holding a plastic shell in your mouth for a short few while you pull of a shot that could save your life.  Then after the shot and look around for more threats, you could take the plastic shell out of your teeth and return it to its correct place.  Every 100th of a second counts in a gun fight, which is what we're talking about here.

[Kentactic]

Looking good man.  You're pretty smooth at it right now.  I would stick with whatever you feel is most comfortable and natural for you in the manipulation for the shotty and the ammo.

I agree with putting the dump pouch on your right side for the shotgun ammo, if you're going to be using your right hand to manipulate the ammo.  With that said, though, if you're also going to have a pistol on your right side in SHTF for a back up, you may have to position the dump pouch in front of your pistol so it won't get in the way. 

Keep up the good work, and I'd love one day to start working on a tactical shotty training for myself one day, as its really sweet, and certainly has its tactical place.  Right now, I'm only working on rifles, but I  may take up this mantle one day and train with it.

Overall it looks good man, just keep practicing what you're doing man.

Thanks for the kind words EJR. I load to the tube from the pouch with my left hand so now im thinking the best spot might be in the front on the left side to get it closer to my right hand for this menuever while keeping it in a good spot for reloads.

[Kentactic]

Sorry for shitting on your advice Special-k ill try to be more aware.

[EJR914]

Thanks for the kind words EJR. I load to the tube from the pouch with my left hand so now im thinking the best spot might be in the front on the left side to get it closer to my right hand for this menuever while keeping it in a good spot for reloads.

Sounds good, like I said, do what feels natural and comfortable to you, and sounds like you've found it, anything that will give you a tiny speed and time advantage.  After all, we're talking about a gun fight here.

Have you ever seen Way of the Gun?  The final shootout scene has some sweet shotgun work by Ryan Phillipe. 

[special-k]

Sorry for shitting on your advice Special-k ill try to be more aware.

No big deal bro.  [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co

[Kentactic]

So ive converted to dropping the round all together. Not retaining of the round chambered. Retaining the round is like retaining a mag, if you actually have time to do it you will, otherwise you need to throw it down so you must train this way.

[Reaver]

Shit looks pretty bad ass to me bro.  [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co Keep up the training.

[APX808]

So ive converted to dropping the round all together. Not retaining of the round chambered. Retaining the round is like retaining a mag, if you actually have time to do it you will, otherwise you need to throw it down so you must train this way.

That's the solution I implement and I saw on an instructional video, that I can't remember what was...
Just drop the chambered shell, you need to worry about the enemy in the front, and the chambered round isn't being useful to solve that problem, so fuck it.

Also is very useful to train in full gear, I found that a lot of pouches were in the way, or that the sling tangled with something, or the IFAK bothered me to draw the secondary, I moved the pouches until I found them to be acceptably comfortable.

[Kentactic]

Also is very useful to train in full gear, I found that a lot of pouches were in the way, or that the sling tangled with something, or the IFAK bothered me to draw the secondary, I moved the pouches until I found them to be acceptably comfortable.

Yeah other then my sidearm and spare mags that is my full gear lol..

[special-k]

...Have you ever seen Way of the Gun?  The final shootout scene has some sweet shotgun work by Ryan Phillipe.

I haven't watched it in years, so I dug out my old dvd and watched it again last night.  I had forgot how bad-ass the gun-play was in it.  I always thought the shoot-out scene in "Heat" was pretty good too.

[thatGuy]

The way of the gun was an awesome movie.

The peel with the suburan down the alley.. epic!

[EJR914]

...Have you ever seen Way of the Gun?  The final shootout scene has some sweet shotgun work by Ryan Phillipe.

I haven't watched it in years, so I dug out my old dvd and watched it again last night.  I had forgot how bad-ass the gun-play was in it.  I always thought the shoot-out scene in "Heat" was pretty good too.

Ohh yeah, I watch HEAT on DVD a least once a month.  The shootout in the streets scene was very realistic. 

Go check out Collateral for some more very reality based firearm work, and I know, its crazy Tom Cruise, but that is not what is important.  Its another Michael Mann movie.  He directed HEAT and Collateral.  He always gets the sound of the round going off for each firearm perfectly.  Not to mention he made every actor that held a firearm in Heat and Tom Cruise in Collateral go through some very extensive firearms training to be in the movie.  The Briefcase scene is just epic at how fast he pulls off the movements, especially for someone who isn't a real professional.  Also, he shows reloads, no endless magazines.  He pulls off a good reload in the Club scene in Collateral as well.  I believe he keeps round count consistent as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiqwF_Y9S5Q

[Grudgie]

I rather enjoy the realistic gunwork of Clint Eastwood in 'For a few dollars more'.

For a Fistful of Dollars