Unchained Preppers
General Category => Security & Survival => Topic started by: Kobalt on January 02, 2012, 02:27:20 PM
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I plan on getting a sidearm, But I don't know much about pistols. I really don't care what it is, I just want it to work. will a M9 do?
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Beretta 92's are great guns you really cant go wrong with one
just check out the trigger on it, that's why i didn't buy one
also if your gonna buy one you might as well buy the 92a1 version
same gun except it has a rail on the bottom and it can take both 17rd and 15rd magazines
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Quality weapon, built like a swiss watch....
Of course that can be taken at least two very different ways :o
I'd recommend getting your paws on as many weapons as possible and deciding what fits and feels best for you before buying. Friends or a rental range nearby makes that easier and makes for a better informed and personal decision.
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If i could choose sidearms all over again i would choose a m9, 1911, or a 357 mag. i would like to get a m9 in the future, my brother carries one as a sidearm in the Marines and he says its a great shooting gun. hope this helps.
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my brother is in delta ranger recon seal team 6 and says buy a glock or s&w m&p. but no really play with a few sidearms and see what fits you best.
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my brother is in delta ranger recon seal team 6 and says buy a glock or s&w m&p. but no really play with a few sidearms and see what fits you best.
My brother is a super ninja operator and he shoots an HK
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My brother is a super ninja operator and he shoots an HK
Yeah, but their Customer Service still think that he sucks. [url=http://yoursmiles.org/p-m
Seriously, I've held a Glock, a Taurus, a S&W, a couple of different 1911s, a Ruger, a Keltec, a couple of different Sigs...they all feel different. Go hold them all, and shoot them if you can. Do your research on what caliber you most prefer, and that may further redirect your choices. I will say that the 1911s felt great because of all that steel in my hand, but the Sigs fit my hand much better. I currently own a Sig SP2022 in 9mm, and it retails new for about $450 ($550 with night sights).
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I have owned and sho many 92's over the last few years. By far my all time favorite full sze service pistol to date. So far on my current normal shooter I have 15,000 rounds through it. Not 1 malfuction to attribute to the gun. I have owned many in the 90 series line up, total of 9 seperate 90 series pistols. In all of them I had a total of 3 malfunctions. 2 WWB primers that would not set off. They would not fire in any gun though. Also 1 stove pipe. Was again using wwb, but also very heavy grease. I have also shot my current 92 over 1500 rounds with a broken firing pin. Functioned everytime. I do alot, alot of dry fire practice. This 92 was getting close to the 15K mark, and easily 50K+ dry fires most without any form of snap cap. I'm endlessly impressed with them. You really cant go wrong with any of them.
This is ofcourse provided you know what it is. A full sized duty style pistol. I dont have my ccw as of yet, however I know of many people who do conceal carry theirs on a daily basis. So this route can be done aswell. Just might not be the best choice for ccw
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Hello all, RON L here
Hmm, an M-9 HUN? I think the sage advice many have given ya here is to try out many different sidearms and calibers and see whats "YOU"? I know the M-9 Design to be an "OPEN TOP" therefore weaker design than many! Series of M-9 Pistols failed in the military and I was witness to no less than 3 of 14 weapons all within the space of 2 years have a slide crack or a Frame seperation! That was something not seen near as often in LEO Model 92's and since? I will in the name of fairness say the weapon has some great things going for it! The site right out of the box first class, the pistol has a great feed system and will feed just about any 9MM with no jams or feed or eject, it's high capacity , mags are common and not too expensive, a Lot going for it! You must take the good with the bad and try it out to get what will serve ya best? Try them all, go and find a range with Rental weapons and then try them out, way cheaper than Buying them and you can see what ya like and whats ya don't lie and all thats lost is the ammo and rental fee and it's a lot of fun!!! Don't take our opinion, form your own??? Best of Luck and let us know what ya found out and what ya get and why, we love an end of story post, with pics and Range report as well?? LOL Good luck and happy shooting lets make 2012 a "Take a friend shooting year" and revitilize the sport!
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I love the M9 PLATFORM.
I personally think that the Taurus 92 is better alternative. The safeties are a plus for me ( on the PT92 ) , mags are cheaper & the firearm is just as reliable.
The open top allows for that thing to eat any type of ammo you can give it. High pressure, Low pressure, steel case, Reloads. That thing just does not stop.
That being said, The price you pay for its reliability is PMCS related. ( Preventive Maintenance & Care )
You take care of it, and it will take care of you. I have about 2k through mine currently.
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Another 9mm you might want to consider is the CZ-75 full-size decock-only. It is a superb pistol and is very durable and accurate. It is basically a hi-power clone but also is double-action. My buddy bought one a few months ago and I've had pistol-envy ever since... [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
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P.S. My buddy did a torture test on his CZ-75 and it took over 500 rounds straight without cleaning for a failure to feed. Basically what happened is the pistol got so dirty with the cheap crap he was firing through it the slide failed to go all the way forward and seat the bullet all the way in the chamber. He tapped the slide forward and it fired.
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1000meter where you been dude? its been too long
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Another 9mm you might want to consider is the CZ-75 full-size decock-only. It is a superb pistol and is very durable and accurate. It is basically a hi-power clone but also is double-action. My buddy bought one a few months ago and I've had pistol-envy ever since...
Yeah, at the Christmas party at my daughters house my ex wife's husband said, "Come out to the car I want to show you my new toy." He had one with a compensator on the front and a halo sight attached. He said he wants to try and get into competition shooting and from what he's read they are all the rage. Every year for the last couple of years he shows up with another fancy gun.
He seems to have great taste in guns and poor taste in........ Well, never mind.
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Hey Redneck! Good to see you back. Sorry I been busy lately, found out I need a hip replacement at the tender age of 42. Apparently all those YEARS of jumping out of planes in the Army wasn't good for me.
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All this talk about slide speration and what not. There was a few of them that did... In the 80's. It was mostly due to over pressured ammunition. he slide seperating from the frame was corrected with the FS model. The FS uses a larger hammer pin, ensuring that even if the slide cracks and can't seperate from the frame. Though I have seen many 92's go over 100,000 rounds, still on the same slide
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The 92 series are good guns, honking big and heavy.
I don't see the point in a metal framed pistol you actually intend to carry and use. If I had some obscure resistance to modern materials I would go with a CZ.
My suggestions to people who want a service type pistol Glock or M&P.
But the suggestion to try out as many as you can is always sound.
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Thanks for the input guys. I got a buddy with some glocks, and I'll see how I like them.
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Thanks for the input guys. I got a buddy with some glocks, and I'll see how I like them.
Glocks
Finest Pistol Hand grenade Since 1982
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Reaver that picture is comparable to a picture of a sasquatch...very rare and unbelievable even when seen. :D
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Reaver that picture is comparable to a picture of a sasquatch...very rare and unbelievable even when seen. :D
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you don't believe in the squatch?
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Reaver that picture is comparable to a picture of a sasquatch...very rare and unbelievable even when seen. :D
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you don't believe in the squatch?
I'm 1/4 'squatch' on my dad's side.
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Reaver that picture is comparable to a picture of a sasquatch...very rare and unbelievable even when seen. :D
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you don't believe in the squatch?
I'm 1/4 'squatch' on my dad's side.
Shit all jokes aside.
The skunk ape is a serious threat where I'm going.
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Reaver that picture is comparable to a picture of a sasquatch...very rare and unbelievable even when seen. :D
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you don't believe in the squatch?
I'm 1/4 'squatch' on my dad's side.
Shit all jokes aside.
The skunk ape is a serious threat where I'm going.
I'm sure the stank that comes from reaver will keep any ape away. http://youtu.be/mVgXGw_XhRQ (http://youtu.be/mVgXGw_XhRQ)
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I don't understand ???
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You said something. ( blah blah blah I'm a loser blah blah )
then you posted the YT link of " burn "
you can't do that bro...some one else has to chime in with burn or it doesn't count and you fail.
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From a shooting point of view the weight helps absorb felt recoil. From a daily CCW point of view, a good holster and belt will go a long ways. If one were to choose a full sized service pistol to carry
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From a shooting point of view the weight helps absorb felt recoil. From a daily CCW point of view, a good holster and belt will go a long ways. If one were to choose a full sized service pistol to carry
Good job on getting us back on topic.
Though I must disagree. From a 9mm perspective, the M9 has a lot more felt recoil than other 9mm hand guns IMO
Not a snap, like a .40 but just muzzle rise.
Know what I mean? Hard to explain.
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Ah gotcha. Anyway Looking forward to shooting.
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That's a whole other area that the op needs to think about.. will this piece ever be pressed in the the roll of CCW. Personally I like to keep the two issue separate and deal with one at a time because what makes a good CCW usually ruins a pistol for anything that resembles 'two way work.'
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From a shooting point of view the weight helps absorb felt recoil. From a daily CCW point of view, a good holster and belt will go a long ways. If one were to choose a full sized service pistol to carry
Good job on getting us back on topic.
Though I must disagree. From a 9mm perspective, the M9 has a lot more felt recoil than other 9mm hand guns IMO
Not a snap, like a .40 but just muzzle rise.
Know what I mean? Hard to explain.
I get what you mean, though I myself disagree to a point.
Having owned and shot often glocks (multple 17's, a 19), sigs (226&p250) beretta cougar 8000, cz75b. I have owned other makes and models/calibers aswell but strictly speaking the 9mm I have owned. I have found it just as easy and faster, if not more easy to get back on target with the 92 series than all but the cougar 8000 model. Granted this could be somewhat biased as I have put many more thousands of rounds through the 92 series than the others. However through each that I have owned I have put no less than 800 rounds through any given pistol. This is the basis that I'm putting my experience on. Throughout the variety of 92's I have owned I have put well over 25,000 round through them so my opinion is somewhat biased. Of all of them I found (if I had to put them in order) the 8000 series to have the least felt recoil, next the 92, then cz, then sig (though it has a pop to it) then the glocks. This is strictly speaking 9mm. Just my experience.
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That's a whole other area that the op needs to think about.. will this piece ever be pressed in the the roll of CCW. Personally I like to keep the two issue separate and deal with one at a time because what makes a good CCW usually ruins a pistol for anything that resembles 'two way work.'
Well said.
As I do not have a conceal licence I will not speak of how she conceals.
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That's a whole other area that the op needs to think about.. will this piece ever be pressed in the the roll of CCW. Personally I like to keep the two issue separate and deal with one at a time because what makes a good CCW usually ruins a pistol for anything that resembles 'two way work.'
Exactly why I was stressing the 92 is good... for what it is. It's not a generally considered competition gun, though it could be pressed into that role. Its not a carry gun, but again it could be pressed into that role. Its full full sized duty style pistol. Any gun can be pressed into any role if need be. Just might not necessarily be the best choice all things considered for that particular individual for that particular role.
Then again it will always boil down to what works best for the end user. The advice given before about try alot before you buy, is the best advice that can be given. People hand sizes, muscles, and body type are different. Decide what you like, what you can afford and what works for you, or you are willing to put the time to make work for you and the role you have chosen. Then you can realativly easily find the best choice for yourself all things considered
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i know a guy who carries a 92 concealed, but i guess it really depends on where you live, around here having some sort of coat or jacket on all year round is doable.............
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"Then again it will always boil down to what works best for the end user. The advice given before about try alot before you buy, is the best advice that can be given. "
I wasn't arguing against that point and I am pretty pleased that it keeps coming up, I was just trying to mention something that I wish I had though of when I bought my first pistol.
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In my ignorant, one sided opinion, guns like the model 92 are just insanely complicated. It has a safety/decocker, and 2 trigger pulls. If you rack the slide during a reload the same way you would do with any other pistol, you can flip the safety back on accidentally.
On the plus side, magazines and holsters and such are plentyful since it's what the military uses, and it does have a low bore axis. And of course like the vast majority of modern auto pistols, it is reliable.
As far as I am concerned though, the only type of pistols I will carry are striker fired guns, either a glock or maybe a M&P. If you absolutely need a manual safety there are M&Ps with them, and there's always 1911s.
And I will say that well respected instructors, and others with lots of experience using pistols to defend themselves, who can choose anything they want in private life, or are authorized to carry what ever they choose within limits, generally choose either a glock, or a 1911. What both designs have in common is they have one trigger pull, and are very simple to fire.
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In my ignorant, one sided opinion, guns like the model 92 are just insanely complicated. It has a safety/decocker, and 2 trigger pulls. If you rack the slide during a reload the same way you would do with any other pistol, you can flip the safety back on accidentally.
On the plus side, magazines and holsters and such are plentyful since it's what the military uses, and it does have a low bore axis. And of course like the vast majority of modern auto pistols, it is reliable.
As far as I am concerned though, the only type of pistols I will carry are striker fired guns, either a glock or maybe a M&P. If you absolutely need a manual safety there are M&Ps with them, and there's always 1911s.
And I will say that well respected instructors, and others with lots of experience using pistols to defend themselves, who can choose anything they want in private life, or are authorized to carry what ever they choose within limits, generally choose either a glock, or a 1911. What both designs have in common is they have one trigger pull, and are very simple to fire.
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I will have to back this up on once again why I chose the Taurus version, though it does have DA/SA trigger. The safety is a lot less complicated. More on the lines of a 1911 only its Ambi.
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"Then again it will always boil down to what works best for the end user. The advice given before about try alot before you buy, is the best advice that can be given. "
I wasn't arguing against that point and I am pretty pleased that it keeps coming up, I was just trying to mention something that I wish I had though of when I bought my first pistol.
Yup, I was agreeing with you
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Only true legit complaint I can think of reguarding th M9/92fs is night sights. The front sight is part of the slide. Not a dove tail like many models. However there are a few companies that are well recognized as being very good at drillig the front sight and installing a trigicon lamp and rear sights for night sights. A Company called tool tech does this for beretta. Infact they are who the factory uses to do their night sights
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Manual safeties discussion has been moved to this thread. Thank you.
http://straightprep.com/forum/index.php?topic=1467.new;boardseen#new (http://straightprep.com/forum/index.php?topic=1467.new;boardseen#new)