I have a idea, but Im not sure its legal.

[Kobalt]

Ok so you take a full auto ak. Pre 1986, and you pay for the tax stamp and everything. Could you remove the trunions, and convert this ful lauto ak47 and make a modern full auto ak74? I dont even know if this is legal let alone possable?

[Reaver]

where is my facepalm emoticon?

[NOLA556]

dude you got big dreams but step back into reality for a second. you're a young dude and you don't have the money or resources to do any of this shit. just focus on your basics. primary, secondary, shotgun, DM, and whatever PRACTICAL and REALISTIC things you may feel the need for. and don't forget food, medical, AMMO, gasoline/diesel, etc...

all the money spent on a classIII license could be spent on more realistic shit. plus you're not even old enough to own a gun.

[Kobalt]

I do not intend to do this I just thought of it and wondered if it was possible.

[505th.NM.Militia]

Keep checkin into it spirit but maybe you should google it!  There is so much available to us as far as the FREEDOM to purchase and own the things we can.  And I appreciate you Nola, just like everyone else, expressing how important priorities are in preparedness culture.   To be young again... 

[Reaver]

Stop ragging on the guy. He has an enquiring mind. If you don't ask questions, you don't get answers and you don't learn.
I unfortunately do not have the answers to your questions. Anything is possible I suppose.

The cock has spoken, and though I do not like to I will jump in with the proper information.


( Legally I'm not sure it can be done. I do not think you can physically do it though, the problem lies with caliber.
A 5.45x39 bullet is a 53 grain, is a skinny long bullet. The 7.62x39 is a .30 caliber short 123 grain bullet. To take a 5.45 and send it down the barrel that is designed for .30 would do 0 good. The bullet would be bouncing down the tube and you will lose everything that matters except, rounds down range.
As for the Bolt carrier and bolt you would need to replace both of those, as the bolt carrier and bolt will not work for the seperate bullets. )
It would be much easier to just get an AK74 and drop a full auto trigger group in there.

I think I have given my points. If I was off, fix me & don't give me fucking flak about bullet weights I know there are other bullet weights those are just examples. 

[505th.NM.Militia]

Stop ragging on the guy. He has an enquiring mind. If you don't ask questions, you don't get answers and you don't learn.
I unfortunately do not have the answers to your questions. Anything is possible I suppose.

The cock has spoken, and though I do not like to I will jump in with the proper information.

That's actually pretty funny buddy!   

[southern patriot]

Spirit,you have what,3 or 4 years before you can "legally" purchase a weapon?
I agree with nola,put what little and precious resources you have to better use.
(Imo)anything full auto,short of a saw,is a waste of ammo!


Oh...btw... [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co on asking first!

[Kobalt]

Stop ragging on the guy. He has an enquiring mind. If you don't ask questions, you don't get answers and you don't learn.
I unfortunately do not have the answers to your questions. Anything is possible I suppose.

The cock has spoken, and though I do not like to I will jump in with the proper information.


( Legally I'm not sure it can be done. I do not think you can physically do it though, the problem lies with caliber.
A 5.45x39 bullet is a 53 grain, is a skinny long bullet. The 7.62x39 is a .30 caliber short 123 grain bullet. To take a 5.45 and send it down the barrel that is designed for .30 would do 0 good. The bullet would be bouncing down the tube and you will lose everything that matters except, rounds down range.
As for the Bolt carrier and bolt you would need to replace both of those, as the bolt carrier and bolt will not work for the seperate bullets. )
It would be much easier to just get an AK74 and drop a full auto trigger group in there.

I think I have given my points. If I was off, fix me & don't give me fucking flak about bullet weights I know there are other bullet weights those are just examples.

I mean strip everything of the reciver and completly rebulid a ak off the fullauto reciver.

[Reaver]

The only thing that makes an AK full auto is the Selector and the trigger group.

I think, don't quote me.

[Kobalt]

Ok, listen up. I havent been clear enough. Take a fullauto ak strip it to the reciver and assemble a new ak onto the reciver, in order to legaly own a full auto ak74. Does that make sence?

[Reaver]

Ok, listen up. I havent been clear enough. Take a fullauto ak strip it to the reciver and assemble a new ak onto the reciver, in order to legaly own a full auto ak74. Does that make sence?

Why is my main question.

But,  The answer is No because when you own a " Class III " Item you have to jump through hoops to do anything with it other than own it. I'm pretty sure changing caliber, would be a huge NO-GO for the ATF

[militaryman84]

Ok, listen up. I havent been clear enough. Take a fullauto ak strip it to the reciver and assemble a new ak onto the reciver, in order to legaly own a full auto ak74. Does that make sence?

No its not legal, you are talking federal time. Besides class three is for dudes in Arkansan that are so fat they cant see their feet. When I hit basic training we were issued A1's. Shortly after I got to Ft. Ord we made the switch to A2's then when I finished Q course it was a CAR, the when SOPMOD came it was a M4. In 24 years you want to know how many times I used full auto or burst fire? Like maybe five unless it was like a bounding over watch. Thats what the MAG's and SAW's are for. Stick with aimed fire kid and you will do a hell of a lot more damage to them.
Hope that doesnt sound bitchy.

[Dave_M]

If you legally own and paid the king's ransom on a transferable pre may 86' AK, yes. If any permanent changes done to an NFA weapon (barrel length, caliber etcetera) the owner has to notify the BATFE in writing of said changes (a barrel change is certainly permanent with an AK). What consists of the NFA item in this instance is the receiver itself. There are no pre-86' RDIAS's for the AK (Registered Drop-In Auto Sear). There are some post-sample ones though (Tromix makes a good one) which are only available for LEO/Class 02/07 or Class III guys. Anywho, since you aren't one of those, it's not an option.

So yeah, the barrel could be changed and the requisite parts installed. Would that be worth it? Not really IMO but I suppose if one has the $20k they can do what they want.

What you cannot do, however, is turn it into a completely different gun. IE: You cannot flatten out an NFA Mac-10 or M11 and reform the metal into an AKM receiver. Akin's made a PKM upper for an Mac-10 (you didn't have to modify the receiver IIRC so this was a really really cool thing, especially since Mac's are the cheapest transferables out there) but the BATFE declared the upper was a MG by itself (because they got it to fire without the lower receiver present).

They are some transferable guns that were designed from the beginning to be 'transformers'. The STG (Stemple Takedown Gun) is basically a receiver that has, 'dress up' kits for it. You can make them look like sten's or Thompsons or whatever. You just have to notify the BATFE, like I said, if you permanently change the configuration so they can update their records. 

However, all of this said, not very many of them (FA AK's) made it into the system to begin with and the costs (like all other transferable FA's in this country) are considerable. Most of the ones I've seen have been converted to AKSUs.

[RONSERESURPLUS]

Hello all, RON L here

First of all, as the "MOD", I'm Gonna Ask folks not to Be calling each other "Cock" or other stuff, LOL Then second of all and the real anwser, Yes, this is an Idea, One that Might be, I said Might be possible witha  Huge amount of RED Tape, Fee's and ATF approval! To ma, it seems not worth the hassle but then, I'm not the ne asking or wanting it? Like many others here the Military allowed me use of Full Auto and while it has it's uses, I can do many of the same with accurate semi-auto fire and avoid all the crap? If you were to attept this, be ready for a Whole lot of folks telling ya no and if they say yes, wanting huge fee's and approvals before hand, that, or Face Prison and charges? Simple as that?

[gapatriot]

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[gapatriot]

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[Rebelac7]

full auto is for retards, fun, and breaking through ambuses by spraying. Take that 15k and spend it on practical things like hand grenades and strippers.

To answer your question yes it would be legal, as long as all the full auto defined parts by the atf remain on the weapon with the receiver & serials.

[Dave_M]

reciever is different between the 47 and the 74 discussion over

Discussion not over. It's been done plenty of times. So long as the entire front trunnion is changed, the mags will lock in. The receiver isn't any different sans the cutout for the magwell. Hell, Izhmash has imported several 5.56 AK's which were built on 7.62x39 receivers (the 7.62 is over-stamped)

[Dave_M]

full auto is for retards, fun, and breaking through ambuses by spraying. Take that 15k and spend it on practical things like hand grenades and strippers.

FA certainly has its practical, albeit niche, applications so it's not, 'for retards'.

Can you link me to some transferable hand grenades? I've actually been semi-looking for one for quite some time.

[RONSERESURPLUS]

 Hello all, RON L here

  While the Posted idea here might be Legal, (With a Lot of RED Tape $ and effort), I do have to agree that hand Grenades and other items simular are not Transferable items and are not the same deal? LOL I do see that FA has it's "LIMITED" applications, and not for 'RETARDS"! I simply see it as an item I can Live without? I see it as in many cases ammo wastefull and indeed hard to stay profecient withut tons of Pratice, if your $$ enough and want to good for you? For me, It's not an option I look at any more! When Uncle sam was paying for the ammo OK< now that I hae to Pay for it, I look at FA far diferrently?

[tominphx]

I'm pretty sure it is possible to get a grenade transferred to you, but it would  be $200 on top of whatever the grenade would cost, and just wouldn't be worth it. On top of that, you almost certainly would be required to get an approved explosives magazine to store it in.

I should also point on the subject of grenades, that smoke grenades are now considered explosives by the ATF due to their ignitor, so if you happen to have any, keep quiet about it. I don't think the ATF would give you much of a hard time beyond merely confiscating them though, since they really aren't dangerous.


Also, if you where going to convert a full auto 47 to a 74, why not just make it into a RPK? I mean I wouldn't really want a full auto AK or AR, even if I had the money or the registry was opened, I would want a support weapon, like an automatic rifle, or something belt fed.   [img]http://www.smileydesign.n

[Kobalt]

I'm pretty sure it is possible to get a grenade transferred to you, but it would  be $200 on top of whatever the grenade would cost, and just wouldn't be worth it. On top of that, you almost certainly would be required to get an approved explosives magazine to store it in.

I should also point on the subject of grenades, that smoke grenades are now considered explosives by the ATF due to their ignitor, so if you happen to have any, keep quiet about it. I don't think the ATF would give you much of a hard time beyond merely confiscating them though, since they really aren't dangerous.


Also, if you where going to convert a full auto 47 to a 74, why not just make it into a RPK? I mean I wouldn't really want a full auto AK or AR, even if I had the money or the registry was opened, I would want a support weapon, like an automatic rifle, or something belt fed.   [img]http://www.smileydesign.n

That would be a good reason to do this, not sure what would be more usful a grenade or a rpk.

[rah45]

I've often wondered if it would be smart to have a full-auto .22, just as a suppressive weapon to keep heads down. Nobody wants to get shot, even if it's with a .22, and the ammo is cheap. My only thought is, how much would a reliable FA .22 cost you? I know there is a model called the American 180, but I'm not sure if it's still produced. Watch these two vids, and see how easy it is to control.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOuOcR43p_M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erQDtZ6ozXI&NR=1

See? I think it would be a very effective suppressive weapon if you had a lot of extra mags and ammo.

[tominphx]

I know there is a model called the American 180, but I'm not sure if it's still produced.

Doesn't matter if it's still produced, regular citizens can only have pre 1986 ones legally. Unless you are a S.O.T.  or a FFL with a demo letter.

Fast semi auto fire will definitely keep people's heads down though.  [img]http://www.smileydesign.n