Unchained Preppers
General Category => Security & Survival => Topic started by: regal on October 21, 2011, 09:38:38 AM
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For physical/age reasons I need a shoulder fired HD rifle. I failed the hold your hand steady test miserably at my last checkup with the doc, no longer confident in my handgun or even followup shots with the mossburg 590.
I have a 16" S&W AR, nice rifle and really ergonomic balance just feel comfortable with it, comes right into place much faster than my AK-74.
But the damn 16" barrel plus FH the thing just seems like it has wasted barrel length for inside the home duty.
Now I have alarm dogs, and I think any HD plan should involve throwing on a pair of e-ear-muffs not a fan of suppressors at all.
Basically I've kicked around the idea of a 12.5" barrel AR or even the 12.5" AMD-65 as a cheap alternative to the AR. But I have concerns with handling these SBR's as far as rapid 2nd and 3rd shot follow-ups. Also not too keen on the idea of an NFA for SD? Isn't the stamp for collectable type rifles?
So I am looking at building a DD Pencil Barrel Mid length 14.5" with perm attached brake and the lite weight troy ff tube. I've read reports that these 14.5 middys recoil like a .22 and should have excellent 2+1 rapid accuracy even in my hands.
I want lightweight, fast handling.
Now to confuse things even more the Draco only weighs 5.5 lbs, even after the stamp and adding a light stock its really hard to build an AR lighter than this! Amazing that an modern aluminum AR rifle weighs as much as old steel AK's.
Off course the other option would be an SBR stamp semi auto MP5 clone like the AKI's, very expensive though and seem a bit out of date considering how much they weigh. I guess FA they make up for their deficiency, but that is not an option for me.
Any advice on this. Been stuck on the decision too long.
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I suggest a converted saigia 20,It's a semi auto ak in 20 Gage.
They even make a version in .410. Whatever you get try not to make it look like a war machine.
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Whatever you get try not to make it look like a war machine.
I second that statement. I've never been in the situation myself, but I've heard plenty of horror stories about court cases where they ruled that the guy defending his home was "anticipating" an event because he went out of his way to modify his guns. I even heard one story about a guy that defended himself with a Glock getting hassled because he had an aftermarket 2 1/2 pound trigger.
ughh... fucking facepalm. but alas, that's the way it is in most places.. for now.
anyway, I know alot of guys prefer a rifle for in-home defense but I actually prefer my 12g. But like you said, you question your physical ability... honestly, I don't really know what to tell you except the fact that if you're gonna go with a rifle, and it's intended to be used indoors, it shouldn't be chambered in anything bigger than 5.56. Apparently 5.56 doesn't perform very well against sheetrock ( ::)lol)
(or you could get one of those retarded little Glock stocks :-\ )
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Kel-Tec Sub 2000, Hi-Point 995, Ruger 10/22.....cheap and compact ways to go. Have a hard time believing that your nerves are so bad that you couldn't aim well enough with two hands on the pistol and that if its really that bad, somehow two hands on a heavier platform would help. ???? I dunno, just sounds a little strange.
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Kel-Tec Sub 2000, Hi-Point 995, Ruger 10/22.....cheap and compact ways to go. Have a hard time believing that your nerves are so bad that you couldn't aim well enough with two hands on the pistol and that if its really that bad, somehow two hands on a heavier platform would help. ???? I dunno, just sounds a little strange.
It is strange. I can do detail soldering with electronics (radios) but I rest my elbows on the table or draw them into my sides, but arms extended isn't pretty. Doc said its typical for some as they age. With a stock I am fine.
I have a sub2k, never shot it enough to classify as life dependable, but sounds like it would be worth practicing with.
thanks
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Kel-Tec Sub 2000, Hi-Point 995, Ruger 10/22.....cheap and compact ways to go. Have a hard time believing that your nerves are so bad that you couldn't aim well enough with two hands on the pistol and that if its really that bad, somehow two hands on a heavier platform would help. ???? I dunno, just sounds a little strange.
It is strange. I can do detail soldering with electronics (radios) but I rest my elbows on the table or draw them into my sides, but arms extended isn't pretty. Doc said its typical for some as they age. With a stock I am fine.
I have a sub2k, never shot it enough to classify as life dependable, but sounds like it would be worth practicing with.
thanks
yeah it makes sense. 4 points of contact on a rifle will surely make you more steady then 2 points of contact on a pistol wether you have shaky hands or not.
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HD with a a carble or rifle? I'd stay with Pistol caliber unless your rural with 3 feet thick? I know some folks like 223 indoors, I'm not one of them! I'd say stick with 9MM, 40 or 45ACP No Rifle calibers! The carbine or what is your option?