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Offline TacticalHippy

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Drones for security augmentation
« on: March 09, 2019, 11:59:55 AM »
Anyone using drones for recon or site security?

We were considering obtaining a drone to circumvent line of site and camera dead zones.

In our primary use case it would be launched above our location 100 feet up to hover and provide 360* live streaming.  Range and battery life are limited with the smaller quiet drones but would work in this case.  Also recon of an area prior to moving forward, as a scouting enhancement.
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Re: Drones for security augmentation
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2019, 01:12:34 PM »
Thx TacticalHippy for bringing this subject up. We haven't discussed it in years.

I too have been thinking of purchasing a drone but do not know what to buy. I am kind of a "one and done" kind of guy and would hate to end up buying something I will just have to replace.

I am looking for a drone that has a 2-mile range complete with live streaming camera.

Lets get the subject going.  :popcorn:
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Re: Drones for security augmentation
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2019, 01:23:51 PM »
    Yup, we've got a couple of them.  I consider them to be a force multiplier.  As you mentioned, short battery life is an issue.  It does take practice, they're not something you can just pull out of the box and fly with any precise skill, and it takes time to acquire the skill.  They are weather dependent, you can't operate them in strong winds.  A tethered balloon with a camera might make more sense in certain scenarios.  Wireless solar powered cameras can be helpful too.  Depending upon the altitude, a drone can be easily taken out with a shotgun, so they're very vulnerable.  There are devices which can detect drones in your vicinity using their audio signature.  The devices can actually distinguish between a drone and a weedeater, for example.  Here's an older article about them:  https://www.cnx-software.com/2013/05/02/droneshield-raspberry-pi-powered-drone-detector/  I can confirm that they do indeed work.

     A camera mounted on a small RC ground vehicle is another alternative.  The battery life  of a ground vehicle is typically a little better than an aerial drone.  Plus, it could be used as a delivery system too, limited only by your imagination.
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Re: Drones for security augmentation
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2019, 09:57:52 PM »
A number of content creators I follow use the DJI Mavic as a very compact and portable drone.
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Re: Drones for security augmentation
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2019, 10:41:07 PM »
    The DJI drones, in general, perform very well.  DJI prices have dropped significantly, probably because there is so much competition from other vendors.  My drones are AR Parrot drones, which were purchased before DJI was in the market.  If I was going to purchase a new one today, I'd probably go with a DJI.  Even Best Buy is selling them in their retail stores.  Geez, I think even Walmarts carries them now.
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Re: Drones for security augmentation
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2019, 03:42:52 AM »
Thx for the great feedback all.  What do you all think of this?

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/micro-drone-4-0-small-intelligent-autonomous

Might work for my aforementioned use case.  We dont need miles of range.  Never considered a drone (or 2) before.  Of course the big downside is no night vision.  But maybe I'm dreaming...or is that a possibility in the next couple of years?
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Re: Drones for security augmentation
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2019, 05:18:01 AM »
I been also following this closely....
May buy one soon...
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Re: Drones for security augmentation
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2019, 06:37:16 AM »
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Re: Drones for security augmentation
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2019, 07:50:35 AM »
Its becoming more and more clear Preppers need drones..  :whip:
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Re: Drones for security augmentation
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2019, 09:41:45 AM »
   Okay, so we're in agreement that we need drones.  How do we defend against drones?  As I mentioned, there are devices to detect drones, but how do we eliminate an opposing force's drones?  Besides a full choke shotgun, I don't see many options.  There is equipment available to take out drones, but stuff is geared for the military, and I imagine it's quite expensive.  So is anyone aware of any low cost devices, besides a shotgun?
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Re: Drones for security augmentation
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2019, 11:55:17 AM »
the weakest links in civ drones are the RF interface - GPS, telemetry and command links - and run time or battery life.

you could jam the command interface - use a scanner or spectrum analyzer to find it and a transmitter via signal generator and linear amplifier to blind it or drop it.  if the drone is pre-programmed and you cant drop it - blind its real time telemetry.

a more permanent solution;
using visual - those engines get warm and leave  a heat signature. NVG of varying types should work.*high cost
using acoustics - multiple LP's should be able to triangulate. - this is good for finding snipers in an SHTF.#low cost
using RF - a yagi antenna mounted on a pistol grip is old but reliable tech.#low cost if set up for ham comms.
using logic - if you live in a wooded location - figure out where an operator can land a drone close to its detection location.#low cost if on home ground
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>:D follow the drone back to the operator.  Have a polite chat about privacy. @priceless
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Re: Drones for security augmentation
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2019, 11:59:27 AM »
Quote from: Erick on March 10, 2019, 07:50:35 AM
Its becoming more and more clear Preppers need drones..  :whip:

yepper, the new binoculars er nvg er flir er...  just the newest version.
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Re: Drones for security augmentation
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2019, 12:57:52 PM »
TippicalHippy,

the drone you posted only has a 2/10th of a mile (700-feet) range. A bit short for most remote AO's. Maybe a good pick for the suburbs or urban setting's. Good price though. Buy one to practice with then buy a more substantial model one you are a polished drone pilot.

This one has a reach of 2+ miles and a 21-minute flight time.
« Last Edit: March 10, 2019, 01:06:39 PM by JohnyMac »
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Re: Drones for security augmentation
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2019, 02:43:15 PM »
     Johny, I'd take that range estimate with a large grain of salt, kind of how the FRS radios advertise a 20+ mile range.  Essentially, the range is going to be line of sight, though the frequency they're operating on, it may be a little shorter.  Also beware the flight time estimates too.  The agency I work for has dropped one of the Dji drones in a lake, because it ran out of juice before it was suppose to.  When they use their drones, they project the received images on a large flat screen monitor.  It's like watching a movie, pretty neat!  Now imagine your drone plopping down in the middle of an opposing force encampment.... nothing like letting the enemy know of your presence and some of your capabilities.

      If I was in the market for another drone, I'd probably go with the one you specified.  It seems to have the best value, and it has lots of capabilities.  Be careful, drones can become addictive!
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Re: Drones for security augmentation
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2019, 02:49:56 PM »
Quote from: TacticalHippy on March 10, 2019, 03:42:52 AM
Thx for the great feedback all.  What do you all think of this?

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/micro-drone-4-0-small-intelligent-autonomous

Might work for my aforementioned use case.  We dont need miles of range.  Never considered a drone (or 2) before.  Of course the big downside is no night vision.  But maybe I'm dreaming...or is that a possibility in the next couple of years?

Well, drones with IR are pretty much available right now...
https://www.dronefly.com/thermal-drones.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=1647118691&adgroupid=62517879265&utm_content=316731312653&utm_term=infrared%20drone&MatchType=e&placement=&gclid=CjwKCAiAiJPkBRAuEiwAEDXZZUJLDFMOpNaPazJRcZMaPQnlUC8HEuMHMcTyMOgq5dwBypxiOUFeZhoCy-gQAvD_BwE
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Re: Drones for security augmentation
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2019, 04:30:28 PM »
Coool BC!
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Re: Drones for security augmentation
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2019, 11:48:47 AM »
Those are thermals but I like that MATRICE 200.

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Re: Drones for security augmentation
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2019, 12:43:24 PM »
I just want to know what the best load is against those things.  I was thinking a 6 to 7 1/2 using an IM choke would do ok. :lmfao:

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Re: Drones for security augmentation
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2019, 02:32:40 PM »
From the ones I have seen it won't take much damage to put them on the ground.  I would go with 8 or 9 and full choke.  Stretch out the range as far as possible.

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Re: Drones for security augmentation
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2019, 05:58:45 PM »
Chris, think BB size.  ;)
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Re: Drones for security augmentation
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2019, 06:27:56 PM »
Would you really need to go that big?  I know little about them other than they seem to be rather susceptible to ground fire if hit.

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Re: Drones for security augmentation
« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2019, 09:55:06 PM »
Maybe not Nemo however I have a lot of BB which I use for goose hunting.  ;D
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Re: Drones for security augmentation
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2019, 12:56:08 PM »
      Returning to the drone discussion....   In the U.S., drones are regulated by the Federal Aviation Agency, and depending upon the size and weight they need to be registered.  So hypothetically, if you acquired a drone that falls into weight class where it should be registered, would you register the drone?  If not, why not?  If so, why?  This is purely hypothetical... 
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Re: Drones for security augmentation
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2019, 02:17:20 PM »
A drone could also be used to resupply your buddies, drop medical supplies or even some type of offensive, defensive or distraction device.... Maybe get a bunch of cheap ones to use as kamikaze against other drones???
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Re: Drones for security augmentation
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2019, 04:30:42 PM »
I had given drones some thought but that had never entered my mind.  I must expand my sphere of thinking.

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