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Offline Stephen

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ERIN Overview and Plans
« on: July 10, 2024, 09:10:10 PM »
I'm sure it's probably buried among all the posts here, but could someone please provide an overview of ERIN - the objectives, the background/history, goals for the near and long term future, etc.? In other words, "What is it now and what would you like it to be?"

I am "the Comms guy" for our local prep group (https://volusiacountyprepping.com/), and I'm looking for ways to network in a long-term grid-down situation and/or martial law scenario where all information - including amateur radio - is under the government thumb. Having looked at various options, my conclusion is that HF-Digital is clearly the way to go - despite the relative complexity of getting started. There are various nets around, but I'm specifically looking for a network that reliably covers the Southeastern states - especially Florida.

I have checked into a couple of the ERIN digital nets - enough to know that I want to learn more about how it might fit into our local plans. I've had an Advanced Class license since 1989, but just getting back into it after years away from it.

Regardless, a big "Thank You" to those who took the initiative and the time to make this work.
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Re: ERIN Overview and Plans
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2024, 08:31:08 AM »
Sure Stephen. Here you go.

ERIN
Eastern Region Information Network (ERIN) came about at a Brushbeater RTO Basic (101) class in the winter if 2018. The students at that two day class for the most part had an amateur radio license. It was agreed to that we would have a net once a month to touch basis, sharpen our skills, and try new things like digital. As things start mostly with good intentions, the nets fizzled out after about a year as life in peoples lives commanded more time. Jump ahead to February 2020.

At a Brushbeater class in Northern New Jersey, a CQB class Scout suggested over a beer or two, that with the pandemic coming down the pike, I should put together an SOI (Signal Operations Instruction) for an emergency if things get bad. I did and around the middle of March 2020, I activated the ERIN net. The net was three days a week, Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.

We ran the net three days a week till July-ish 2020 and at that time cut it back to one day a week, Tuesday nights. In the fall of 2020 we added digital as an alternate mode of comms.

The SITREP (Situation Report) developed to today's configuration March to August 2020 to look like it does today,
> Weather:
> Fuel petrol/diesel prices & availability:
> General Supply prices & availability:
> Local unrest if any:
> Unusual military movement:.

In March of 2025, we will be on our fifth year. I typically have been the NCS (Net Control Station) for the majority of of the nets with NC Scout picking up a few along with Jackalope. OBH typically picks up some of the Digital NCS duties if he is free.

Quick commercial, I really need back-up NCS's for both phone and digital. The reason being, it is grueling doing it weekly for me, however, most important; when the SHTF I need trained and motivated folks to man the emergency SOI as we probably will go to nets seven days a week, at least at the beginning of the emergency. Today, if I could have four dedicated NCS for both modes, we could rotate the duties so someone would only have to be NCS once a month.

As a side note, I would like to add a third mode later this year with Sir John Honey Bucket leading the charge. That mode would be CW (Continuous Wave or Morse Code).

Local ERIN
I was the county ARRL, ARES (American Radio Emergency Service) EC (Emergency Coordinator) for a time and now some consider me the DEC (District Emergency Coordinator) for the six counties in my district.

First, I encourage all stations who are ARES volunteers and members of local clubs to join in to the digital and phone ERIN nets for training, fellowship, and to test their comms. That is why when you tune into a ERIN nets, there are a lot of stations from NE Pennsylvania.

Next, there is an Emergency SOI for NE Pennsylvania too. It involves the use of local repeaters using 440/2-meters and HF (High Frequency) radio comms. The SITREP is basically the same with miscellaneous being added as number "6" on the report. Again we meet once a week at 1900E hrs. Wednesday nights on six locally linked repeaters for phone. We have between 15 to 30 check-in's every week. The local HF nets are typically ad hoc nets, where someone Signals that at "X" time, on "Y" frequency a local net will commence. It is called the "Beverage & Snacks Net".

Other Forms of Comms
First, when we started ERIN, we all joined Messenger. Then when we realized that Messenger was not encrypted we switched to Signal for an encrypted text format. Signal has proven to be a great ap that seems to work even when everything is down. We realize that Signal may be better than Messenger for security, it isn't bullet proof. So for things that we would not want to have to read out loud in a court of law, while on a witness stand, we use Session.

Speaking about encryption, most of the regulars, local and ERIN use either Tutanota or Proton for encrypted email comms.

Next, the core group of ERIN has developed a Brevity Code list to be used when across the airwaves comms needs to be private. Of course we all know that private brevity code use on the airwaves is a violation of FCC rules and we would never use such codes except in dyer circumstances, e.g. Blue helmeted men & women show up at our door. Brevity codes can be words or OTP (One Time Pad) codes.

So Stephen, did I answer your question, I'm sure it's probably buried among all the posts here, but could someone please provide an overview of ERIN - the objectives, the background/history, goals for the near and long term future, etc.? In other words, "What is it now and what would you like it to be?" 

73 Brother...
« Last Edit: July 17, 2024, 11:38:08 AM by JohnyMac »
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Re: ERIN Overview and Plans
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2024, 01:57:59 PM »
Excellent answer, my friend - exactly what I was looking for. Thank you. It also answers another question I had: I had been copying a digital net that had "PA" and "Penn", but it was too poor to copy enough to make sense of it. I'm assuming that that was somehow tied in with ERIN.

What I'm looking for is this same sort of net that is based in, and focused on, the Southern states. I'm looking for dependability and reliability, and the enemy of that is distance. I know of a few, and as I learn more about them, I may find that one (or more) such nets are already in operation.

I am very confident that the day will come - and very soon - when the only reliable information will be found through ham radio. That will probably also mean that those in power will attempt to shut it down. I don't have a good solution to that, but it certainly needs to be considered now rather than later. That is a First Amendment issue and, therefore, not negotiable. That's how I see it anyway, and others have differing opinions.

Again, thank you for all you do. Being a long-term NCS can be a rather thankless job, so my "Thank you" is very sincere.

Be well, my friend, and God bless.
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Re: ERIN Overview and Plans
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2024, 04:08:52 PM »
Stephen and to the group, digital today is the answer to many of our concerns if .gov tries to shut us down running comms or the Blue Helmets show up.

When using MFSK32 or a faster digital mode, you can send a message in seconds and be out of the area once you pull down your antenna in minutes. Less time for someone to RD you and drop a hellfire on your ass. When you combine digital which uses less power (wattage) along with OTP encryption you become a force to be reckoned with.

Phone or voice on the other hand is extremely dangerous due to the power you will need and the amount of time you will be on the air. Voice is fine when out pounding the woods on patrol. Depending on the time element, and importance of secrecy, using a Brevity code or OTP format is best. Regardless, send TFC (Traffic) and evac the area ASAP.

Just a suggestion if anybody would like to start a local net. Figure out the radio clubs for your county (s) around your AO. Go to one of their monthly meetings and feel them out. If you have good vibes ask if they already have a ERIN type net. If they have good vibes, suggest putting one together if they don't. Build the need and they will come. 

Oh one last thing, make sure all of your radios are MARS compliant or totally open. Why restrict your transmissions to the amateur radio bands.  :thumbsUp: :cheers:   

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Re: ERIN Overview and Plans
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2024, 05:46:29 PM »
A security tactic that I think is cool is to use JS8Call, and have sending and receiving stations agree that they will set their timing to (for example) 9 seconds fast. Anyone who happens to have the frequency is still going to miss the whole message by the time they get the time differential figured out and set. The security factor of digital is a major one. Like most everything else, it can be gotten around, but it's just another layer.
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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2024, 08:07:34 PM »
 :thumbsUp: :cheers:

There are plenty of games you can play.  ;)
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Re: ERIN Overview and Plans
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2024, 09:47:06 PM »
JohnyMac, I'm going to take your statement, "Quick commercial, I really need back-up NCS's for both phone and digital" to heart and get to where I'm able to help out with NCS duties. I had planned to copy the received text from this evening's net so I could put together a set of FLDIGI macros for the ERIN net, but (as is my typical luck) when I got back to it, FLDIGI had crashed so I couldn't pull out the text. Do you have a net script available? I've been NCS for plenty of voice nets (I used to be the ARES Emergency Coordinator for this county), but now I'm only doing digital, and as always, there's a bit of a learning curve. Thanks, and 73
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Re: ERIN Overview and Plans
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2024, 08:24:53 AM »
I don't have any experience as NCS or ANCS, but I'm happy to get macros prepped so if needed I can jump in to help.

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Re: ERIN Overview and Plans
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2024, 08:36:06 AM »
I've become quite a fan of the FLDIGI macros and have a couple of macros "packages" with easily changed text files they pull from. Once I learn more about the ERIN net script, I'll put that together and would be glad to share it with anyone who wants it. I've got a prepping website that folks could download it from.
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Re: ERIN Overview and Plans
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2024, 08:47:48 AM »
Stephen, I do have a set ERIN Digital net NCS script. I will copy and past it and send it to you. Then you just need to copy and paste it to your macro's.

I have a rather loose one for phone too.

You know, maybe I should "sticky" them both in the radio board.

Thank you for volunteering Stephen. By the way good copy last night on the digital net.  :thumbsUp:

Thanks  :cheers:
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Re: ERIN Overview and Plans
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2024, 08:53:37 AM »
Excellent - thanks! As I said, I'll upload the macro package (main macro plus the text files) to the https://volusiacountyprepping.com/ site so that others can easily use it. Of course, if you see any changes I should make in it, just let me know. Be well, my friend, and 73.
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« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2024, 08:56:12 AM »
If it would be easier, you can just email the script to me at volusiacountyprepping@protonmail.com .
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Re: ERIN Overview and Plans
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2024, 12:08:23 PM »
 Stephen :thumbsUp:

It will not be till the end of the week as I am pretty busy however, I will get to it.  :cheers:
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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2024, 12:16:57 PM »
Sounds like a plan - thanks!
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Re: ERIN Overview and Plans
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2024, 03:10:20 PM »
I should have thought of this before, I created an NCS macro set and probably should have posted it here. Let me load it up, make sure theres no obvious errors, and I'll get it posted to the radio subforum. If John or another admin wants to sticky it, that would be cool too  ;)

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« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2024, 03:25:42 PM »
I should have thought of this before, I created an NCS macro set and probably should have posted it here. Let me load it up, make sure theres no obvious errors, and I'll get it posted to the radio subforum. If John or another admin wants to sticky it, that would be cool too  ;)

Well, I tried, but it won't let me upload the macro file, which is only 7kB.

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Re: ERIN Overview and Plans
« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2024, 04:51:03 PM »
I should have thought of this before, I created an NCS macro set and probably should have posted it here. Let me load it up, make sure theres no obvious errors, and I'll get it posted to the radio subforum. If John or another admin wants to sticky it, that would be cool too  ;)

Well, I tried, but it won't let me upload the macro file, which is only 7kB.

Can you email it to volusiacountyprepping@protonmail.com ? I can post it there and then provide a link here.
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Re: ERIN Overview and Plans
« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2024, 06:50:01 PM »
I should have thought of this before, I created an NCS macro set and probably should have posted it here. Let me load it up, make sure theres no obvious errors, and I'll get it posted to the radio subforum. If John or another admin wants to sticky it, that would be cool too  ;)

Well, I tried, but it won't let me upload the macro file, which is only 7kB.

I should have also pointed out that I have several FLDIGI NCS macro packages, so all I need is the standard wording that should be part of it - putting together the actual macro package is the part I enjoy doing, so if you've just got the text for it, maybe you could post that?
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Re: ERIN Overview and Plans
« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2024, 08:12:38 AM »
JohnyMac and Obh - since I have the advantage of being semi-retired, and the time that affords me, how about letting me just come up with a NCS macro package for ERIN, then post the text of it here so you can make any changes you'd like. I think I can get pretty close just from what I've seen during the nets and what I see posted here. That way, it saves you time, and I get to do the fun stuff that I enjoy doing. In the mean time, I'm going to start working on it.
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« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2024, 01:03:40 PM »
JohnyMac - Here's what I have put together. If it's something that we can use, great. If not, no problem. I'm confident that there are changes that should be made, so just let me know and I'll take care of it. Once you're satisfied with it, I'll upload it along with instructions for how to set it up for the NCS's system. Most of this was based on other NCS macros, and some of it was just my best guess.

Text shown in <brackets> is not hard coded, and comes from separate text files in a separate folder to make it easy to customize as needed. Shown below is from testing that I did with the power level turned down to zero.


(5 Minute)
QST QST QST DE <KN4AM>
THE <ERIN (EASTERN REGION INFORMATION NET)> DIGITAL NET WILL BEGIN IN 5 MIN. 
WE WOULD APPRECIATE A CLEAR FREQ AT THAT TIME.

TURN BEACONS/SOUNDERS/HEARTBEATS OFF NOW.

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(Start)



QST, QST, QST DE <KN4AM>, NCS FOR THE <ERIN (EASTERN REGION INFORMATION NET)> DIGITAL NET. 
MY NAME IS <STEPHEN>, LOCATED IN <FL>.

TURN BEACONING/HEARTBEATING/SOUNDING/TXID OFF.

THIS NET MEETS EVERY <TUESDAY AT 7:00 PM EASTERN TIME>  ON <7.110 CONTESTIA 4/250 AT 1000 ON WATERFALL.
TRAFFIC SENT USING MFSK32, WITH FLMSG PREFERRED.> .
<SEE UNCHAINEDPREPPERS.COM FOR SOI AND MORE INFO ON THE <EASTERN REGION INFORMATION NET (ERIN) DIGITAL NET.

THE TYPICAL ERIN SITREP (SITUATION REPORT) IS FORMATTED IN FLMSG AND CONSISTS OF:

WEATHER
FUEL PETROL/DIESEL PRICES, AVAILABILITY
GENERAL SUPPLY PRICES, AVAILABILITY
LOCAL UNREST IF ANY
UNUSUAL MILITARY MOVEMENT
OTHER >

THIS IS A DIRECTED NET, SO PSE HOLD ANY NON-EMERGENCY TFC UNTIL THE NCS CALLS FOR IT.

EMERGENCY TFC MAY BREAK IN AT ANY TIME.

NET ANNOUNCEMENTS:
<NONE AT THIS TIME >



=====
(Call for Check-ins)


WE WILL TAKE CHECKINS IN A MOMENT.  PSE TURN OFF YOUR TXID IN THE UPPER RIGHT-HAND CORNER OF YOUR SCREEN.

PSE PROVIDE YOUR CALL SIGN (TWICE) / NAME / STATE / ANY NET TRAFFIC WITH PRECEDENCE.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF I WERE CHECKING IN, I WOULD CHECK IN AS FOLLOWS:

DE <KN4AM> <KN4AM> / <STEPHEN> / <FL> / NO TFC

IF I HAD TRAFFIC, I WOULD INDICATE HOW MANY, AND PRECEDENCE LEVEL, EXAMPLE... <FL> / 1 RRR QST

I WILL ACK CHECK-INS AS A GROUP. DO NOT REPEAT YOUR CHECK-IN UNLESS YOU DO NOT SEE YOUR CALL SIGN
WHEN I ACK WHAT I HAVE RX'D SO FAR.

DE <KN4AM> CHECK-INS CALL NOW.

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(Check-ins Ack)


DE <KN4AM> TNX FOR YOUR CHECK-INS. I HAVE RX'D THE FOLLOWING CHECK-INS SO FAR:
<KN4AM/STEPHEN/FL (NCS)>


ARE THERE ANY MORE CHECK-INS OR RELAYS? COME NOW. K

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(Traffic After)


WE HAVE THE FOLLOWING TFC TO PASS AFTER THE FIRST ROUND OF CHECK-INS. 
<(NONE AT THIS TIME)
1. >

=====
(Additional Check-ins)

I HAVE THE FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL CHECKINS:


ANY OTHERS?

DE <KN4AM>

=====
(Ack Check-ins)

I HAVE THE FOLLOWING STATIONS CHECKED IN:

<  >

ANY OTHERS?

=====
(FLMSG Traffic)


DE <KN4AM>.  ALL STATIONS HOLD YOUR TRANSMISSIONS.  WE WILL RESUME CHECKINS AFTER NET TRAFFIC.

STAND BY FOR THE THE FOLLOWING TRAFFIC IN ABOUT 30 SEC.

STATIONS WITH TRAFFIC WILL BE CALLED TO SEND THEIR TRAFFIC IN THE ORDER SHOWN.
NCS WILL CALL FOR EACH IN TURN. TRAFFIC SHOULD BE SENT IN MFSK32, WITH FLMSG THE PREFERRED FORMAT.

<(NONE AT THIS TIME)
1. >


HAVE YOUR RXID CHECKED GREEN IN THE UPPER RIGHT-HAND CORNER OF FLDIGI.

SWITCHING MODE TO MFSK32 NOW...
Adjust squelch settings and MFSK band edges at this time.  Stand by...

=====
(Back to Contestia)

ALL STATIONS, HOLD TRANSMISSIONS.  I WILL SWITCH THE NET BACK TO CONTESTIA 4/250. 

CHANGING MODES NOW.

=====
(Sign off)


DE <KN4AM>. TNX TO EVERYONE FOR PARTICIPATING IN THE <ERIN (EASTERN REGION INFORMATION NET)>  DIGITAL NET.

THIS CONCLUDES THE ERIN (EASTERN REGION INFORMATION NET)  DIGITAL NET.

73, EVERYONE, AND MAY GOD BLESS OUR FAMILIES AND OUR NATION.
DE <KN4AM>
<2024-08-01 16:06Z>

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(Check in No Tfc)


DE <KN4AM>  <KN4AM> / <STEPHEN> / <FL> / NO TFC

=====
(Check in With Tfc)


DE <KN4AM>  <KN4AM> / <STEPHEN> / <FL> / <1 TFC RRR> / DE <KN4AM>

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Re: ERIN Overview and Plans
« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2024, 08:57:47 AM »
UPDATE: Defiant_Faith sent me a series of screen shots of one of the ERIN nets, so I'm now going back through what I've done to make it match up with the ERIN standard. We should have a good set of macros to make it easy to get a pool of NCSs willing and able to take some of the load off of JohnyMac. Big thanks to Defiant_Faith on this!
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« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2024, 03:46:24 PM »
Done. I still need to test each of the macros, and there are always things to fix when I do that. Next, Defiant_Faith has agreed to double check me on this. It should be ready in plenty of time for the next net, if whoever is NCS wants to try using it.

I started out intending to exactly duplicate the way it has been done, but I would have had to just start over from scratch. I ended up adapting the existing macros that I had to get much of the same wording and as close as I could; hopefully the differences will be seen as improvements. I realize that it's not "my" net, so I'm just offering this as a possibility knowing that it's not my call to make.

I'll have it uploaded with a link on this thread when it's done so that anyone can download it.
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« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2024, 04:14:17 PM »
I typically only check in here once a day. I sent you my macro set that I use for the ERIN net.

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Re: ERIN Overview and Plans
« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2024, 09:26:20 PM »
I typically only check in here once a day. I sent you my macro set that I use for the ERIN net.
Got it - thanks. After going through the set of macros you sent, the image files of the last net, and then looking through the different sets of macros that I have, I can see that they're all a bit different - but they all get the job done. I'm relieved to see that ERIN is focused on getting the job done without getting too fixated on the details. As you said, the mode change macros are the most important. Again, thanks for sending it.  :thumbsUp:
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Re: ERIN Overview and Plans
« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2024, 03:15:20 PM »
JohnyMac, I'm going to take your statement, "Quick commercial, I really need back-up NCS's for both phone and digital" to heart and get to where I'm able to help out with NCS duties. I had planned to copy the received text from this evening's net so I could put together a set of FLDIGI macros for the ERIN net, but (as is my typical luck) when I got back to it, FLDIGI had crashed so I couldn't pull out the text. Do you have a net script available? I've been NCS for plenty of voice nets (I used to be the ARES Emergency Coordinator for this county), but now I'm only doing digital, and as always, there's a bit of a learning curve. Thanks, and 73
Well, I had good intentions, but last night's net tells me that I'm not in a good location to take on NCS duties. I missed significant parts of the net, and others had to relay my traffic for me. Being here in Florida, I'm not going to have reliable comms with enough of the net to be considered for NCS. It would work some of the time - maybe even most of the time - but that's not good enough unless there simply is no other option. Perhaps if there is ever a Southern ERIN net, then I'd be in a good position for NCS, but not for the current system.
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