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Re: Virus
« Reply #50 on: January 28, 2020, 06:38:05 PM »
Seems all over.  This appears to be basic flu so far.   Reportedly 40% of students, about 500 in school, 200 infected.

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https://www.wfxrtv.com/news/bath-county-schools-to-close-tuesday-wednesday-for-high-number-of-illness/

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Bath County schools to close Tuesday, Wednesday for high number of students, faculty with illness
by: Gary Boyer
Posted: Jan 27, 2020 / 05:24 PM EST   / Updated: Jan 28, 2020 / 01:07 PM EST   

BATH COUNTY, Va. (WFXR) – Officials with Bath County Public Schools have announced that schools will be closed on Tuesday and Wednesday due to what they are describing as a “large number of student and staff illness.”

During this time, they will have crews that will disinfect buildings and buses.

They are asking parents to monitor their children for flu-like symptoms.

If they show symptoms, they should be kept at home for at least 24 hours after their fever has broken.
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« Reply #51 on: January 30, 2020, 07:09:40 AM »
Expanding.

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Coronavirus
Published 1 hour ago
Last Update 56 mins ago
Coronavirus death toll increases, here's the latest update on cases
By David Aaro | Fox News

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Here are the latest figures.

How many have been infected or have died?

The death toll from the virus rose to 170 on Thursday, with a total of 7,711 infected. Over the past 24 hours, 38 new deaths and 1,737 new infected cases have been reported.
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Where is the virus?

Roughly 99 percent of new cases have appeared in China. Of the new deaths, 37 occurred in Hubei province, with one in the southwestern province of Sichuan. The virus has been reported in at least 16 countries globally.

The United States currently has 5 cases of the virus. Two in California, one in Arizona, one in Washington and one in Illinois, health officials say.

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Re: Virus
« Reply #52 on: January 30, 2020, 08:37:43 AM »
     Yes, it is expanding.  Look at how many people have recovered versus have died.  More people are dying than recovering, though it is still too early to determine how this is going to play out.  It's interesting that the Russians have instituted a ban on any Chinese entering their country, nice allies!  I wonder how long it will take the U.S. to ban the Chinese.  The supply chain is in for a hell of a shock.

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Re: Virus
« Reply #53 on: January 30, 2020, 12:05:32 PM »
The asymptomatic yet still infectious is going to be a problem.   I think it still a bit early to say this could be a big one, but with the way all things are going-- this could be a big one.

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Re: Virus
« Reply #54 on: January 30, 2020, 12:28:30 PM »
Wait until it gets into some of the slum type areas in India, Mid East, Africa countries.  Or getting into the homeless population in L.A. elsewhere.

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China counts 170 virus deaths, new countries find infections

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India and the Philippines reported their first cases, in a traveler and a student who had both been in Wuhan, the central Chinese city where the new type of coronavirus first surfaced in December. South Korea confirmed a case that was locally spread, in a man who had contact with a patient diagnosed earlier.

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The new virus has now infected more people in China than were sickened there during the 2002-2003 outbreak of SARS, another type of coronavirus.

Thursday’s figures for mainland China cover the previous 24 hours and represent an increase of 38 deaths and 1,737 cases for a total of 7,711. Of the new deaths, 37 were in Hubei province, of which Wuhan is the capital, and one was in the southwestern province of Sichuan.

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« Reply #55 on: January 30, 2020, 02:03:21 PM »
    Yeah, LA and NYC are going to go down hard, if the virus gets established.  Re-reading Hatfill's "Three Seconds To Midnight" and re-reading "Expedition Home" by Skip Hofstrand, MD.  "Expedition Home" gets into the intricacies of self-quarantine.  Dr. Hofstrand stresses that there needs to be strict rules that need to be followed, and the virus should be considered as a dangerous, deadly enemy.  It's important to consider how the supply chain is going to be effected, and of course, the economy.   I'm trying to stock up on items that are not produced in the U.S., i.e., nails, screws and pharmaceuticals, and the list goes on and on.

     It'll be interesting to see how the leftists and progressives react to pandemic.  I expect that there will be high death rates in the urban areas, which could effect politics for decades to come.

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« Reply #56 on: January 30, 2020, 02:07:50 PM »
Its here.  Its spreading.  Wife to hubby first.  Then  .  .  ..

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Coronavirus
Published 1 hour ago
Person-to-person transmission of coronavirus reported in US, CDC says
Alexandria Hein
By Alexandria Hein | Fox News

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has reported the first case of person-to-person transmission of coronavirus in the United States. In a telebriefing on Thursday, officials said the patient is the husband of a Chicago woman who was diagnosed with the illness after returning from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the virus.

The case marks the sixth coronavirus illness confirmed in the U.S., and the second in Illinois.

Dr. Robert Redfield, the CDC director, said the health agency had expected to identify "some" person-to-person spread in the U.S., and insisted that the risk to the American public "remains low." Officials stressed that the husband, who did not travel to China and is in his 60s with underlying health issues, and his wife had continued close contact while she was symptomatic, exposing him to the virus.

Both patients remain hospitalized and the man is stable. The woman, who is also in her 60s and was the first travel-related case confirmed in Illinois, is said to be "doing well." Illinois officials declined to identify which hospital is treating the patients.

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Re: Virus
« Reply #57 on: January 30, 2020, 10:25:24 PM »
Latest reported numbers, if true, in China 213 dead and just under 10,000 confirmed infected.
I know this has a lot of people worried but compared to these numbers for the current US influenza season, pretty minor at this point.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm
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« Reply #58 on: January 30, 2020, 11:58:04 PM »
Let's see, going from 300 or so to 15,238(as of today's report) in a week is serious, the growth is exponential.  The normal flu doesn't have the coronavirus growth rate.  Also look at the actual recovery numbers versus the death numbers.  Most folks recover from the average flu, but we don't yet have accurate numbers related to this new Kung Flu. And now China is demanding that all Wuhan citizens must return to China.  What's up with that?  We're missing some pieces of the virus puzzle.

If this novel coronavirus gets a foothold in the U.S., then all bets are off.  I still suggest keeping a close watch on it, and keep your preps topped off.

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« Reply #59 on: January 31, 2020, 07:55:09 AM »
I find the asymptomatic carriers interesting.  - im wondering if there is some local immunity. 

this reminds me of influenza - its a constantly mutating RNA virus.  Influenza ranges from a runny nose to the 1918 version (%10ish fatality rate).

without a local reservoir, how bad can this get?  a flash and its over but for the clean up.  Influenza has several reservoirs that travel far and wide - birds come to mind.  I don't see a a mass migration of civets or kraits in our near future.  I do wonder what the amplifier was.

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« Reply #60 on: January 31, 2020, 04:42:37 PM »
    It's interesting that the CDC is declaring a Public Health Emergency over something as "harmless" as the novel coronavirus.  Time to panic, seriously.

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« Reply #61 on: January 31, 2020, 06:09:32 PM »
Russia closed its border too.
This is certainly checking a lot of my "This is it" checkmarks.

Not all of them though.
We are not one step away from the Walking Dead yet.
Do not max out your credit cars for extra food (yet).

Lethality is still quite low... mutations are usually towards LESS lethality not more.. (makes sense why.. when u think about it .. otherwise I will gladly explain)

The biggset danger is still that this will bring down the grid due to whitespread panic.
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« Reply #62 on: January 31, 2020, 07:00:44 PM »
     Well, taking my cue from the movie 2012, when the government says don't panic, then that's the time to panic. 

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Re: Virus
« Reply #63 on: January 31, 2020, 10:32:27 PM »
     Well, taking my cue from the movie 2012, when the government says don't panic, then that's the time to panic.

Great quote from a hyperbolic but entertaining movie.
Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight: My goodness, and my fortress; my high tower, and my deliverer; my shield, and he in whom I trust; who subdueth my people under me.

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« Reply #64 on: February 03, 2020, 08:38:58 AM »
I did just read this:
https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-china-accuses-us-of-spreading-panic-live-updates/a-52238408

12:44 Chinese scientists say they have evidence that the new coronavirus originated in bats.
In a study published in the science journal Nature on Monday, scientists from the Wuhan Institute of Virology said that in seven human cases of the virus, genome sequences were found to be 96% identical to a coronavirus found in bats.
Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, or SARS, which infected hundreds of people in 2002 and 2003, is also thought to have originated in bats.

Has everyone seen the movie Contagion? Very similar.

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« Reply #65 on: February 03, 2020, 08:53:41 AM »
   The bat vector is one possibility, yet other researchers are suggesting that it was bio-engineered: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1.full.pdf   It is an amazing coincidence that the virus originated in the one Chinese city that has a level 4 biolab.  One way or another, the genie is out of the bottle.

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« Reply #66 on: February 03, 2020, 12:57:16 PM »
Jackalope, what linked you into that?

Also see below. First minutes give background.  For details look around the 48 minute mark.

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« Reply #67 on: February 03, 2020, 01:03:35 PM »
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« Reply #68 on: February 04, 2020, 03:47:04 PM »
Try looking at this from a new perspective.  Deaths v Confirmed Survivors.  Remove the several thousand still ill and not in either category from consideration. 

Look at the end of the illness.  Calculated from recent stats.

424 dead, 727 confirmed cleared = a 37% death rate. Hopefully the remaining 19,550 all survive and we can then say 2.2%.

This may be as bad or worse than quite a few are thinking.

Erick, your thoughts on this this analysis?

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« Reply #69 on: February 04, 2020, 05:03:29 PM »
Try looking at this from a new perspective.  Deaths v Confirmed Survivors.  Remove the several thousand still ill and not in either category from consideration. 

Look at the end of the illness.  Calculated from recent stats.

424 dead, 727 confirmed cleared = a 37% death rate. Hopefully the remaining 19,550 all survive and we can then say 2.2%.

This may be as bad or worse than quite a few are thinking.

Erick, your thoughts on this this analysis?

Nemo

Nemo, you bring up an excellent point that I was thinking about also:

Even thought the deathrate is low... but that is based on who has died SO FAR among 20,000 infected, many mahy others may yet still be waiting to die since they have NOT recovered..... perhaps even in great numbers.. And the prevalence of older folks , or immunocompromised folks among the dead may simply mean the young/healthy take longer to die.
This would certainly be a worst case interpretation .. but as yet still a plausible one..

Simply based on reported data that is..

There are to things that indicate to push the death rate up and down..;
a) the exact point you made 20,000 haven't recovered yet... the recovered folks vs the dead folks paints  MUCH greater death rate as explained above....
but also
b)  Since we figure there are many many more infected than even the Chinese even know about.. it is conceivable a model pointing to a LOWER death rate as well. 
Why? Because in a epidemic especially in the beginning (which is were are data is still mostly rooted in) the data self select for the most severe cases..(unless u r very ill u dont go to the hospital, or get admitted)
So we could have 200,000 more infected right now that are asymptomatic or so mild they dont bother to go to the hospital because they think its something else... since they associate 2019-nCorv with severe illness....
The bad part of this phenomenon is this.. it turbocharges the infection..... the good part it is an indicator for a much lower death rate.. because if we have really 200,000 infected the deaths.. even if they are only "as yet" deaths suddenly are  a much lower %age.

So we have two "data models" so to speak in our "nowcasting" to interpret whats is really going on... they push in the opposite direction..
Again.. our low recovery rate compared to deaths  suggests a much higher death rate than reported, while at the same time the widespread suspicion of huge additional numbers of Chinese citizens infected would support the opposite conclusion.

Which of these two factors is more dominant we will find out in the near future... but we have two plausible models that each suggest the opposite of each other.
I hope my explanation made sense.

PS: Another complication factor is this.... even if the death rate really is as low as we currently think (and it might be or not) this is achieved with treatments via ventilators to address ARDS.
If there are so many sick PPL a national medical system can run out of ventilators and then we will see a serious jump by orders of magnitude in deaths... or a grid down would case same..  so lots of competing models that are equally plausible... the good news is now that its in the West we should have better data soon.
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« Reply #70 on: February 04, 2020, 05:27:10 PM »
You give the Daily Star the credibility you think appropriate.   Its well known as more of a National Enquirer type paper.

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https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/fears-thick-death-smog-over-21426098

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Fears thick 'death' smog over Wuhan confirms China is burning coronavirus bodies
Several Chinese people voiced their concern over the fog which has engulfed Wuhan. It's fuelled fears the death toll inside coronavirus-hit China is higher than what has been reported
By Emma Parker
11:39, 4 FEB 2020
Updated16:13, 4 FEB 2020

Eerie footage of Wuhan engulfed in a thick fog has fuelled concerns the death toll inside coronavirus-hit China is “higher” than what’s been officially reported.

Clips appear to show the city in a mysterious haze which residents say has “come out of nowhere”.

The videos have led to concerns that the smog is the result of smoke from crematoriums burning coronavirus-infected bodies "24 hours a day".

It comes a day after the National Health Commission in China ordered all coronavirus fatalities to be cremated, with burials and funerals banned, to prevent to spread of disease.

Chinese nationals voiced their concerns on social media, suggesting the death toll could be "unthinkably higher" than reports if incinerators are running all day.

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« Reply #71 on: February 04, 2020, 05:36:03 PM »
You give the Daily Star the credibility you think appropriate.   Its well known as more of a National Enquirer type paper.

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https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/fears-thick-death-smog-over-21426098

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Fears thick 'death' smog over Wuhan confirms China is burning coronavirus bodies
Several Chinese people voiced their concern over the fog which has engulfed Wuhan. It's fuelled fears the death toll inside coronavirus-hit China is higher than what has been reported
By Emma Parker
11:39, 4 FEB 2020
Updated16:13, 4 FEB 2020

Eerie footage of Wuhan engulfed in a thick fog has fuelled concerns the death toll inside coronavirus-hit China is “higher” than what’s been officially reported.

Clips appear to show the city in a mysterious haze which residents say has “come out of nowhere”.

The videos have led to concerns that the smog is the result of smoke from crematoriums burning coronavirus-infected bodies "24 hours a day".

It comes a day after the National Health Commission in China ordered all coronavirus fatalities to be cremated, with burials and funerals banned, to prevent to spread of disease.

Chinese nationals voiced their concerns on social media, suggesting the death toll could be "unthinkably higher" than reports if incinerators are running all day.

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I have no onion one way on another on this.. too much of whats in the news is sensationalized.. (while admittedly the Chinese do try to lower the numbers they publish in various ways).
If its true more reports will come out.

I am in a very different time zone and its the middle of the night here.
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« Reply #73 on: February 04, 2020, 07:10:01 PM »
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« Reply #74 on: February 06, 2020, 02:48:53 PM »
Update.

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https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/02/06/coronavirus-death-toll-breaks-record-again-with-73-dead-in-one-day/


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Coronavirus Death Toll Breaks Record Again with 73 Dead in One Day
Frances Martel, 6 Feb 2020


China logged the deadliest day on record on Wednesday since the novel coronavirus outbreak afflicting the nation began in December, breaking a record set only on Tuesday and defying clamor from state propaganda outlets last week that the rates of infection and death were declining.

At press time, Chinese and global health officials have confirmed 28,396 cases of the coronavirus, identified only on January 20, and 566 patients dying from the disease. Only three of these have died outside of China. Officials also claimed that 1,341 people have recovered from coronavirus infection, suggesting that a significant number of those infected do overcome the illness.

The South China Morning Post noted on Thursday that Chinese officials documented 73 deaths between Wednesday and Thursday, the highest recorded in one day. That number was 64 deaths on Tuesday, the previous record.

The number of documented cases on Wednesday fell compared to Tuesday, however.

“The last time the rise in new infection figures slowed was January 28, after the daily increase in confirmed cases again rose on Tuesday – 3,887 in China, of which 3,156 were in Hubei,” the Post noted.

Among the new patients are newborn infants whose mothers are carriers of the virus, suggesting that the virus may infect in utero. Doctors have emphasized the potential that the children contracted the virus after being born, as the first patient tested positive for the virus 30 hours after being born, so no confirmation exists yet that the new infection route in the mother’s womb exists.

The current official mortality rate of the virus is hovering around two percent and includes a significant percentage of older patients and at-risk patients with prior illnesses. This number may be significantly inflated by the fact that Chinese officials did not tell health workers in Wuhan, the city where the virus originated, that the virus was contagious through the breath of a carrier, so hospitals did not isolate potential carriers, spreading the disease to people already hospitalized. The Chinese government also held a banquet for 130,000 people the weekend before it announced it had identified the virus, targeting older “empty nest” residents of Wuhan.

“Be cautious and say no to family banquet amid coronavirus outbreak: a family reunion among 9 people in Nanjing, East China’s Jiangsu, contaminated 8 while 1 initially became a virus spreader,” the Chinese state propaganda outlet Global Times warned on Thursday, over two weeks after the state-sponsored banquet.

The Global Times also reported on Thursday that “a type of herbal soup” has allegedly cured 90 percent of coronavirus patients who drank it and that the Chinese government is issuing awards to doctors who initially responded to the outbreak.

While the government hands out rewards, locals in Wuhan report “severe” hospital bed shortages despite the alleged construction of an entirely new hospital in Wuhan in little over a week.

“Despite authorities building a hospital from scratch and converting public buildings to accommodate thousands of extra patients, there was still a ‘severe’ lack of beds, said Hu Lishan, an official in Wuhan,” the Hong Kong Free Press (HKFP) reported. “There was also a shortage of ‘equipment and materials,’ he told reporters, adding that officials were looking to convert other hotels and schools in the city into treatment centres.”

Hong Kong has documented 22 cases of the virus so far, a number that increased by one on Wednesday. The outbreak has triggered a city-wide health workers strike, attracting thousands of doctors, nurses, medical assistants, and others, who are demanding that the Hong Kong government shut its border entirely with China. The health workers are also demanding more support in the form of medical equipment like face masks and other sanitary items, complaining that the open border allows Chinese who do not trust the crumbling healthcare infrastructure of their country to flood Hong Kong’s hospitals, putting strain on the local healthcare system. The health workers have been on strike since Monday.

The Hong Kong government has refused to shut the border. Instead, the government announced on Wednesday that it would require anyone entering Hong Kong through China to undergo a mandatory 14-day quarantine to prevent them from potentially spreading the virus. Doctors believe that patients carrying the virus will show symptoms within this two-week period.

The accelerating death rate calls into question the Chinese National Health Commission’s insistence that the rate of infection in the country was declining last week, suggesting that the viral outbreak had peaked. Last Wednesday, the Global Times noted that, between that Tuesday and Wednesday, the number of cases documented had slightly declined, calling it a “gleam of hope.” At the time of publication of the article, widespread reports from individuals in Wuhan and health workers there suggested that the Chinese government was deliberately failing to test individuals exhibiting the tell-tale fever, coughing, and difficulty breathing associated with the new coronavirus. Anonymous medical staff in Wuhan told various outlets that their supply of testing kits to confirm illnesses was limited and the government only allowed testing on pre-approved patients, resulting in many who went to hospitals asking to be tested being turned down.

Chinese officials have also been extremely secretive about the cases of coronavirus documented in Xinjiang, China’s westernmost province located hundreds of miles from Wuhan. Xinjiang is home to a complex system of hundreds of concentration camps designed to indoctrinate, sterilize, enslave, and use for organ harvesting millions of Muslims, most belonging to the regions Uyghur ethnic minority. Survivors of the camps report people dying regularly and extremely unhygienic conditions in the camps that make prisoners particularly vulnerable to an outbreak of a deadly virus. Officials there are considering the condition and number of cases of coronavirus in the region a “state secret,” leading many to question the authenticity of the number of cases there.
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