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Stop The Bleed
« on: August 21, 2024, 04:27:39 PM »
in a few seconds.  This looks great and has FDA approval.

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Re: Stop The Bleed
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2024, 06:09:16 PM »
Very interesting...
My understanding:  things like packing, quick-clot, etc are addressed after transport to hospital/MASH - where a doctor with surgery skills and supplies proceeds to address the "issue".
But what happens in a situation where there will BE NO trained surgeon - what then?
We've managed to stop the overt bleeding but a gunshot wound involves LOTS of traumatized/damaged/destroyed tissue, deep inside.   Are we talking get a surgeon involved or die?    Or do protocols exist that provide a possible path towards recovery with the healing/remodeling proceeding "from the inside out".
In the hurly burly of what our MAGs might encounter, a realistic grounding in what to do, what to expect when 911 is gone would be good to have.
Firefights are the last thing we want to face - but IF one befalls someone, the odds are, they or a team member WILL catch a bullet, sooner or later.   Because we'll run up against someone is either "better" or "just lucky".   Maybe both.

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Re: Stop The Bleed
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2024, 04:38:59 PM »
My .02

In all honesty, without access to trained trauma personnel most serious (as defined as to the head/thorax/abdomen or arteries) wounds will result in death or serious permanent disability. Essentially, you'd be back to Civil War era care-  with all the horror that entails.  I dealt with a few GSW's as a nurse, Catch a bunch of birdshot in the ass?  Ok, that one is gonna make it (barring infection), but catch one in the shoulder- forget it- brachial artery is very vulnerable (in spite of all that bone) and is damn near impossible to deal with.  IMO, probably the most likely to survive would be a wound to the lung, IF someone in your group manages to deal with the probable fragmentation and trauma, AND knows how to manage and insert a chest tube.  Otherwise, if you are very lucky and the patient has incredible stamina and an equal will to live recovery is possible.

Note I said trauma personnel, not just any doctor, nor any surgeon.  I watched a surgeon get so fixated on one element of a wound, that they lost sight of the rest of the patient's problems. Wanna guess the result?  DOA. In some cases you'd probably be better off with a large animal vet.

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Re: Stop The Bleed
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2024, 09:06:59 AM »
I have heard the same thing RB. I have taken two TC3 classes one facilitated by a veteran medic and the other by a SFOD A 18D. I also have a good friend who is a retired military RN now working in the public sector. They pretty much mirror your comments in that without a reliable medic unit that you can be evacuated to behind the lines, you will die. Either you will die of blood loss or infection.
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Re: Stop The Bleed
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2024, 10:46:28 AM »
Generally true on the required follow up.  But this looks like it will keep you alive until you get to the med tent.

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