The Working Poor

[JoJo]

The Working Poor

 A definition of The Working Poor is a person/family that earns just enough to be ineligible to receive state or federal benefits.   
 Those on welfare earn more than twice their amount by money, medical, housing and many other benefits.
 Now the President wants to give1.8 million illegal aliens amnesty and allow them chain migration. This means unskilled and old people will flood our welfare system and have them earning more with medical benefits than our working poor.
 As a former member of the working poor I am completely against amnesty for anyone and everyone.     


http://www.breitbart.com/2018-elections/2018/01/25/amnesty-now-no-benefits-10-years/

[Kbop]

I hear you JoJo.  If the first thing a person does, when they enter the country, is break our laws - they have shown how much they respect our government.  Amnesty for that doesn't make me comfortable.

DACA, on the other hand, the current debate, is for people who were minors when their parents broke our laws.  A 2 year old shouldn't be held accountable for their parents crimes.  Now - that 2 year old is 20 and through no fault of their own liable to be tossed out of our country. 
its a difficult situation and i'm not smart enough to come up with a fair solution.

[JoJo]

 KBOP my solution to DACA and the 30 year old children

1. A permanent green card

2. No path to citizenship

3. No chain migration

4. No government benefits

5. Cannot vote in the lowest elections.
   Some cities/towns allow illegals to vote for city/town officials.

 My solution for the rest is

1. Temporary green card renewed every two years

2. Can never become citizens

3. Must speak English fluently

4. Must study American history

5. If you leave the country you cannot return   

6. No government support of any kind (welfare)

 I probably could come up with others but these for now.

 Now the problem with illegal's entering our country.

1. Build the wall before any changes to the status quo happens

2. End chain migration

3. end the lottery system

4. Again there is probably a lot more Than these three

The racists democrats are against the white man because they can't control him like blacks and latino's.  Remember the slave owners were democrats. They started the civil war, the KKK and murdered free blacks. They promoted racial segregation and still do with their all inclusiveness and rainbow coalition.

It sounds like I'm angry and I am. I suffered thru Affirmative Action like I said before I was a member of the working poor for 42years that is until President Regan came along.

God Bless Trump

[grizz]

- If they came here illegally they must be sent back to wherever they came from
- If they brought children with them when they came here then they need to take the kids back with them
- If they want to become a CITIZEN of the US then they need to follow ALL the laws, including the ones around citizenship

I'm tired of foreigners sneaking into my Country and trying to change our laws while holding the flags of some other country

[Kbop]

@ JoJo, i can live with that - i kinda disagree with the adults who crossed illegally - they should be sent home, soonest and with all their minor children.  for the adults, how about letting those brought to the USofA (and now adults with a clean criminal record) get a path to citizenship by working in the Government (5 years or so) - enlist or work in Fed, State or local Gov - if successful they get a fast track to the citizenship process but they have to finish the process.  Public service may balance the carma a bit.
funny story, many moons ago i lost a competitive academic scholarship to someone with a lower GPA than mine - the winner got an extra point for being a minority.  it still rankles me at times.

@Grizz, i hear you - my only problem is that the children didn't decide to follow their parents when they were brought here illegally.  its a mess and the US of A should have removed them quickly BUT we didn't.  do we toss a person who is 'culturally' US/American back across the border into a culture which they have little to no understanding?  If they wish to follow their parents back across the border of if they are still minors - adios.  with me, it's a matter of compassion.

[grizz]

@Grizz, i hear you - my only problem is that the children didn't decide to follow their parents when they were brought here illegally.  its a mess and the US of A should have removed them quickly BUT we didn't.  do we toss a person who is 'culturally' US/American back across the border into a culture which they have little to no understanding?  If they wish to follow their parents back across the border of if they are still minors - adios.  with me, it's a matter of compassion.

I hear what you're saying but the parents came HERE with little or no understanding of OUR culture and therefor could not or would not teach their children about the USA. All they know is about the freebies they can get.

I heard a funny but true (at least from my experience) statement about illegals

- Illegals are like sperm, millions come in but only one works -

In that statement, the word "works" relates to having good intentions vs working under the table and sending 90% of their undocumented, un-taxed income, back to mexico or some other country while taking advantage of our welfare and free medical offerings.

And as far as compassion goes, we cant maintain a real Country based on compassion, it needs to be based around laws, Our Constitution, in order to work. In other words, if you as an individual want to sponsor an illegal family and their chain migration family members and teach them about being an American, more power to ya brother. Heck I might even consider doing that as an individual. But do not expect me (the rest of the Country) to pay for it in any way. Our Country has immigration laws and there is NO WAY we can allow everyone, especially those who disobey the laws by sneaking in, to enter.

[Kbop]

Grizz - Your theory is correct.
it could be applied to all the Irish, German, Italian, Chinese, Hmong, et.al.
They arrived in the US of A with little understanding of what it means to be an American.  that is a matter of assimilation.  This process can be slow and painful - i live in an area where one group hasn't assimilated in over a century.  They are a part of the fabric of our community.  The Amish have their own language and religious beliefs.  I'm not happy with all of it and their practices but they are for all that Americans.   The US of A is a country of immigrants.  The above were chosen because there was serious backlash at the time of peak immigration for that group. 
I suppose you can make up your own opinion on how well they integrated.  I'm taking the long view.  I am for immigration - not illegal border jumping.  Every generation in the US of A re-defines what it means to be an American.  Its always been that way. 

[Jackalope]

I'm for legal immigration, and I understand the problem very well.  My wife became an American citizen yesterday, and she accepts and understand the responsibilities of being a citizen.  She entered the country legally and we worked though the system, though it was costly and tedious.  Her feeling and mine too, is that anyone who enters illegally should be made to leave the country.  A good analogy is if a cinema manager discovers that a family is in the theater without tickets, then the entire family is removed, the kids don't get to stay and watch the film.  The same thing should apply to the illegal alien children, whether they're aware of their status or not.  If they allow illegal immigrants to stay it makes a mockery of those immigrants, like my wife, who followed the law.

[Kbop]

Congratulations to you and your wife Jackalope!

[Erick]

@Grizz, i hear you - my only problem is that the children didn't decide to follow their parents when they were brought here illegally.  its a mess and the US of A should have removed them quickly BUT we didn't.  do we toss a person who is 'culturally' US/American back across the border into a culture which they have little to no understanding?  If they wish to follow their parents back across the border of if they are still minors - adios.  with me, it's a matter of compassion.

I hear what you're saying but the parents came HERE with little or no understanding of OUR culture and therefor could not or would not teach their children about the USA. All they know is about the freebies they can get.

I heard a funny but true (at least from my experience) statement about illegals

- Illegals are like sperm, millions come in but only one works -

In that statement, the word "works" relates to having good intentions vs working under the table and sending 90% of their undocumented, un-taxed income, back to mexico or some other country while taking advantage of our welfare and free medical offerings.

And as far as compassion goes, we cant maintain a real Country based on compassion, it needs to be based around laws, Our Constitution, in order to work. In other words, if you as an individual want to sponsor an illegal family and their chain migration family members and teach them about being an American, more power to ya brother. Heck I might even consider doing that as an individual. But do not expect me (the rest of the Country) to pay for it in any way. Our Country has immigration laws and there is NO WAY we can allow everyone, especially those who disobey the laws by sneaking in, to enter.

Quoted for truth.

[Jackalope]

I'm guessing that at least 20% of the population of New York City are there illegally.  And amazingly, Governor Cuomo in his last budget proposal is going to offer the DACA group free college tuition.  So illegal immigrants are going to reap the reward of a college education from hardworking American taxpayers. Sometimes I just don't understand this country...

[Jackalope]

Congratulations to you and your wife Jackalope!

   Thanks Kbop! She really loves America and has a good understanding of our history.  (She had to pass a civics exam, which is part of the legal citizenship application process.)  Part of the requirement is to be able to speak and read English, and I think that is a part of the entire immigration problem.  Earlier, in the 20th century, most immigrants learned at least basic English.  Because of modern politically correct B.S., now immigrants don't need to learn English, because the government bends over backwards to translate for them.  I blame a lot of this on congress critters, because English was never declared as the official language.  I believe in my State, they can obtain translators for over 20 different languages.

    Now a days, immigrant groups can sit in their enclaves, and not need to learn English.  The melting pot has disappeared.  Diversity has won over national homogeneity, which means the country will become more difficult to govern.  How does the government relate to people that have an entirely different culture and language?  The typical illegal immigrant is not the cream of the crop, but than more likely they are accustomed to a lower standard of living.  So what happens when they come in large numbers?  They bring their mode of living to their new environment.  Look at L.A. with its slums and gangs.  I'd like to know what percentage of the population of L.A. is there legally.

[grizz]

Grizz - Your theory is correct.
it could be applied to all the Irish, German, Italian, Chinese, Hmong, et.al.
They arrived in the US of A with little understanding of what it means to be an American.  that is a matter of assimilation.  This process can be slow and painful - i live in an area where one group hasn't assimilated in over a century.  They are a part of the fabric of our community.  The Amish have their own language and religious beliefs.  I'm not happy with all of it and their practices but they are for all that Americans.   The US of A is a country of immigrants.  The above were chosen because there was serious backlash at the time of peak immigration for that group. 
I suppose you can make up your own opinion on how well they integrated.  I'm taking the long view.  I am for immigration - not illegal border jumping.  Every generation in the US of A re-defines what it means to be an American.  Its always been that way.

Many of my family came here to be Americans. They did not need to assimilate because they accepted things the way they are, they learned the language, got jobs or started businesses and began their new life as Americans.

The other part of my family has been here since the beginning and known as American Indians. When the "white man" arrived they were re-assimilated (unfortunately!!)

Most of the illegals coming here now have zero interest in becoming American, they are here for the free stuff (medical, welfare, ETC...) and they are working very hard to change America to some sort of socialist country. They ARE NOT citizens and therefor should not have anything to say about how this Country is run, even if they've been here for 30 years, they ARE NOT Citizens!

[Kbop]

Many of my family came here to be Americans. They did not need to assimilate because they accepted things the way they are, they learned the language, got jobs or started businesses and began their new life as Americans.

The other part of my family has been here since the beginning and known as American Indians. When the "white man" arrived they were re-assimilated (unfortunately!!)

Most of the illegals coming here now have zero interest in becoming American, they are here for the free stuff (medical, welfare, ETC...) and they are working very hard to change America to some sort of socialist country. They ARE NOT citizens and therefor should not have anything to say about how this Country is run, even if they've been here for 30 years, they ARE NOT Citizens!

I agree - im talking about a path to citizenship - not a free ride for law breakers and only for people who didn't deliberately break the law.  DACA only covers a vary narrow range of individuals.  not the %20 mentioned by Jackalope in NYC.  Not economic migrants or people who break our laws - I'm arguing for compassion for a narrowly defined group.  not for illegal immigration.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/09/07/how-many-people-will-trumps-daca-rollback-affect-about-100000-fewer-than-initially-reported/?utm_term=.e85773875180

[grizz]

Many of my family came here to be Americans. They did not need to assimilate because they accepted things the way they are, they learned the language, got jobs or started businesses and began their new life as Americans.

The other part of my family has been here since the beginning and known as American Indians. When the "white man" arrived they were re-assimilated (unfortunately!!)

Most of the illegals coming here now have zero interest in becoming American, they are here for the free stuff (medical, welfare, ETC...) and they are working very hard to change America to some sort of socialist country. They ARE NOT citizens and therefor should not have anything to say about how this Country is run, even if they've been here for 30 years, they ARE NOT Citizens!

I agree - im talking about a path to citizenship - not a free ride for law breakers and only for people who didn't deliberately break the law.  DACA only covers a vary narrow range of individuals.  not the %20 mentioned by Jackalope in NYC.  Not economic migrants or people who break our laws - I'm arguing for compassion for a narrowly defined group.  not for illegal immigration.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/09/07/how-many-people-will-trumps-daca-rollback-affect-about-100000-fewer-than-initially-reported/?utm_term=.e85773875180

I'm saying we already have a path to citizenship and just because someones parents illegally brought them into this Country does not get them to the front of the line and in fact should they should be deported and forced to come in as normal immigrants. This will be the example to anyone else thinking of illegally entering this Country.

As it is now, Cali is trying to get them the right to vote!! WTF?? They are not citizens but they the privilege/responsibility of deciding elections?? If we give the dreamers an inch they will take miles and miles. You can bet your last dollar they will be fighting for every "Right" and freeby offered by this great Country.

[JohnyMac]

jackalope, Please pass on to your wife, "Good Going!" 

[Jackalope]

Thanks Johny!

I've posted a photo of her with the Judge who did the ceremony.  I joked with them that she'll receive her jury summons next week...

[JoJo]

 Wow I totally missed your post Jackalope of your wife becoming a citizen. Congratulate her for me. It takes a lot of study to become an American citizen and I know you are very proud of her.     

[Jackalope]

Thank you Jojo!  Now she just needs to study for her amateur radio license...

[JohnyMac]

Awesome pic Jackalope! Thank you for sharing. 

[grizz]

Big Congrats on citizenship!!! 

[Jackalope]

Thanks Grizz!

[Nemo]

KBOP my solution to DACA and the 30 year old children

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God Bless Trump

What he said.

Nemo

[Kbop]

i am curious what comes out of the bicameral chambers.