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Re: Secession and you.. We the people
« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2012, 03:51:15 PM »
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..chopping up the nation is is wholly wrong

Why?
It's all about being butt-hurt because rich Mitt didn't win and because he was a horrible candidate. You know how to solve all these problems? Have the GOP pick a better candidate that actually represents and will work for the people. Otherwise, as some folks used to say in past elections... Love It, or Leave It.

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« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2012, 04:51:18 PM »
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Love It, or Leave It.

I think we all know it is far more fundamental than Mitt not winning. And I am trying to leave it and take Tennessee with me!

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« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2012, 06:49:14 PM »
Crudos, that's ridiculous, this is far more than "rich-mitt" not winning.

"chopping up the nation" would be more fundamentally american than letting this festering abomination to continue it's existence.


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Re: Secession and you.. We the people
« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2012, 07:16:20 PM »
As this country was founded to be simply a collection of individual marbles (STATES) brought together inside one bowl (FED) it would be technically impossible to "chop up" the country in the first place.  Sure, things would be fundamentally different if there were to be a collection of states who left this union and formed their own sovereign union of states, or even if states were just individually sovereign.  But it is no different from Georgia (COMBLOC) demanding sovereignty from Russia. 

This talk, at least from my stand point has nothing to do with Mittens, and nothing about Barry personally.  My views on this are based on my opinion of the mortal state of the current union, the tyranny presented by the "head" of said union and their EXPRESSED desire to make it MUCH worse. 

As to telling those who feel secession TALK is appropriate to leave this country... well I believe someone has already stated in another thread, we are!  We just happen to be trying to take what is ours with us. :)) 
And essentially saying that someone should have their rights stripped and deported is akin to ASKING for your military dictatorship and would be more suited to demanded said individuals be locked up/tortured/re-educated/killed for their political thoughts and speech.  Kind of like they do in countries like Cuba, North Korea, China, Russia, Etc...

**As no official move toward secession has been made the following is based on theory***
If you believe that the system we have now works, believe that what we had is salvageable and wish to keep it, then work toward keeping your state in the current union.  Instead of attacking the individuals for their political positions, why not work with them to either resolve any issues they may have or to convince them that such issues are not at such a severe level to warrant the called for actions?
"A GREAT CONTRADICTION IS THE BELIEF IN STATES RIGHTS WHILE NOT SUPPORTING THE RIGHTS OF THE INDIVIDUAL."  - Me
Han shot first!

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Re: Secession and you.. We the people
« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2012, 09:21:33 AM »
I agree with your comments OONW.

I have sat back and lurked on this subject since TG first posted it. I have two emotions going on in my head. They are:

1) I want to move too Montana or Texas and push for secession and/or
2) Stay away from that fantasy as it is what Barry wants to implement plan 'X'.

Take a look at what is going on in Washington right now...Let's see now:

> A pretty fierce election where the Presidents challenger almost won
> It's coming out that there was over 59 voting precincts in Philly and 67 in Cleveland with not one Mittens vote. Or what about
   the poor election response from our military men & women over seas. Oh that's right they haven't received their absentee
    ballots that they requested
> Then we have the Benghazi affair...
> We now have a sex scandal involving Gen. Petraeus and now Gen.  Allen; which probably has a connection to Benghazi. AG
   Holder knew since mid-summer. Mmmmmm?
> We have the President meeting with senior union leaders and large company CEO's to discuss the economy. No small business
   leaders though. And what does Union Leaders have to do with the economy?
> The fiscal cliff is looming. I suspect that the House of Representatives will reject anything that the President sends them if
    there is any tax increase in it. Oh Senator Reed wants to increase the deficit by $2.5T. Stay tuned
> Rumors of making Sen Kerry, Secretary of Defense; or Asst Secretary of State Rice, Secretary of State - Both bad choices.
> and the list goes on.

It almost seems that our President is pushing a faction within the Libertarian or Conservative movement to do something stupid. Then he can jump in with all of his new legal powers to solidify his hold on power and implement his (Or someone else's) plan.

Let's add to this equation the 4% drop in the market since November 6th. Yesterday there was over 142M trades when the average daily market t trades in the 125M range. Keep an eye on this between now and the end of the year. This will be your barometer as to when to head for the hills.

Are we at a Black Swan event?

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1) The disproportionate role of high-profile, hard-to-predict, and rare events that are beyond the realm of normal expectations in
     history, science, finance, and technology
2) The non-computability of the probability of the consequential rare events using scientific methods (owing to the very nature of
     small probabilities)
3) The psychological biases that make people individually and collectively blind to uncertainty and unaware of the massive role of
    the rare event in historical affairs


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_swan_theory

Lastly, I am not going to sign a petition for Secession although the fantasy is sure appealing. I am going to move to the BOL though while our house in RI is being remodeled post Hurricane Sandy. If anything BIG happens it's going to happen between now and January 20th. OH, yesterday, I took the American flag that we fly in front of our house and turned it upside down.

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The flag should never be displayed with the union (the starred blue union) down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.[4]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Flag_Code

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Re: Secession and you.. We the people
« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2012, 01:35:30 PM »
In reading and listening since the days after the election, I think we are seeing the roots of a third party being born with the secessionist stuff. Hope it will not be co-opted and corrupted like has happened in the past with the Tea Party. Just my couple of cents.

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« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2012, 02:09:45 PM »
 [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co I agree Crudos!
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« Reply #32 on: November 16, 2012, 10:51:39 PM »
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Re: Secession and you.. We the people
« Reply #36 on: November 19, 2012, 09:42:39 PM »
hahaha i was drunk and trolling erryone with that