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Ron Paul on Mutually Assured Respect.
« on: September 15, 2011, 06:02:08 PM »
More and more reasons why this man could be our best president to date... not the lesser of two evils.

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Re: Ron Paul on Mutually Assured Respect.
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2011, 02:11:10 AM »
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Re: Ron Paul on Mutually Assured Respect.
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2011, 02:25:28 AM »
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Re: Ron Paul on Mutually Assured Respect.
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2011, 02:40:11 AM »
Alright it's fixed!
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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2011, 11:33:18 AM »
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Re: Ron Paul on Mutually Assured Respect.
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2011, 11:41:25 AM »
I like RP..but his views on the death penalty are wrong IMHO and I dunno how he really feels about helping out Israel when the inevitable happens when all the Muslim world decides to come together to destroy them. I agree with him, that we shouldn't be giving them so much money and support financially bc they become dependent on us....as well as the rest of the world. And we should bring all our troops home.
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Re: Ron Paul on Mutually Assured Respect.
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2011, 12:44:13 PM »
I like RP..but his views on the death penalty are wrong IMHO and I dunno how he really feels about helping out Israel when the inevitable happens when all the Muslim world decides to come together to destroy them. I agree with him, that we shouldn't be giving them so much money and support financially bc they become dependent on us....as well as the rest of the world. And we should bring all our troops home.

I hope one day you will change your decision on the death penalty.  He likes Israel and feels we should be friends and do business (trade) with everyone.  The same thing that our founding fathers such as George Washington and Thomas Jefferson believed. 

Ron Paul IS a Founder basically.  He studied everything that they believed when it comes to social issues and foreign policy, economics as well. 

The death penalty is simply an extension of a tyrannical government, and as well, extreme exertion of state power and is of little use in a free society.  Sure it FEELS great when some horrible monster that rapes and murders a bunch of little cute girls is put to death, hell, I'll admit that I feel a sense of joy over that, a joy of revenge, but my principles tell me something different.  Feelings are different than principles such as freedom and liberty from a tyrannical government.

A government that can put you to death is just way too much power for them to have.  I believe it eventually leads to the further authoritarianism of our government and their policing force as well.  It shows a lack of the government's respect for people's lives and safety of the citizens.  Government's number one priority should be the preservation of its citizen's lives and safety.  Part of the symptoms of this disease are the militarization of our police force, and this "shoot on sight" authorizations that are given to our countries law enforcement as well as the no-knock militaristic raids that often lead people to pick up a firearm to defend themselves, only to be gunned down before they even realize its the police at their door. 

Its way too much power for our government to have or control.  I believe the mentality is one reason why we've seen such a lack of respect the government has for the lives of citizens.  Its ripe for abuse, like we see with the no-knock raids.

There is another point I wanted to make but I forget it now.  Like I said, I hope you change your mind, but we're all free to disagree here.


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Re: Ron Paul on Mutually Assured Respect.
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2011, 01:03:00 PM »
I like RP..but his views on the death penalty are wrong IMHO and I dunno how he really feels about helping out Israel when the inevitable happens when all the Muslim world decides to come together to destroy them. I agree with him, that we shouldn't be giving them so much money and support financially bc they become dependent on us....as well as the rest of the world. And we should bring all our troops home.


I hope one day you will change your decision on the death penalty.  He likes Israel and feels we should be friends and do business (trade) with everyone.  The same thing that our founding fathers such as George Washington and Thomas Jefferson believed. 

Ron Paul IS a Founder basically.  He studied everything that they believed when it comes to social issues and foreign policy, economics as well. 

The death penalty is simply an extension of a tyrannical government, and as well, extreme exertion of state power and is of little use in a free society.  Sure it FEELS great when some horrible monster that rapes and murders a bunch of little cute girls is put to death, hell, I'll admit that I feel a sense of joy over that, a joy of revenge, but my principles tell me something different.  Feelings are different than principles such as freedom and liberty from a tyrannical government.

A government that can put you to death is just way too much power for them to have.  I believe it eventually leads to the further authoritarianism of our government and their policing force as well.  It shows a lack of the government's respect for people's lives and safety of the citizens.  Government's number one priority should be the preservation of its citizen's lives and safety.  Part of the symptoms of this disease are the militarization of our police force, and this "shoot on sight" authorizations that are given to our countries law enforcement as well as the no-knock militaristic raids that often lead people to pick up a firearm to defend themselves, only to be gunned down before they even realize its the police at their door. 

Its way too much power for our government to have or control.  I believe the mentality is one reason why we've seen such a lack of respect the government has for the lives of citizens.  Its ripe for abuse, like we see with the no-knock raids.

There is another point I wanted to make but I forget it now.  Like I said, I hope you change your mind, but we're all free to disagree here.


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Re: Ron Paul on Mutually Assured Respect.
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2011, 01:39:45 PM »
Men have been exonerated by scientific DNA evidence after they have been executed. That in and of it's self shows that our justice system is far from perfect, prone to corruption and the juries likely to be influenced. Thus I don't think a flawed system should be entrusted with such a "final" punishment. Ask yourself whether you'd trust your own life to our judicial system not on grounds of knowing that your innocent but that you can't prove you are. Remember nowadays your guilty until proven innocent. O:-)

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Re: Ron Paul on Mutually Assured Respect.
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2011, 01:54:23 PM »
Men have been exonerated by scientific DNA evidence after they have been executed. That in and of it's self shows that our justice system is far from perfect, prone to corruption and the juries likely to be influenced. Thus I don't think a flawed system should be entrusted with such a "final" punishment. Ask yourself whether you'd trust your own life to our judicial system not on grounds of knowing that your innocent but that you can't prove you are. Remember nowadays your guilty until proven innocent. O:-)

Definitely, this isn't some thing that people just say, I'm living proof of this.  You are literally treated like you are guilty until prove innocent these days.  Its really messed up.

All is fine and well until its your butt in the seat, look at a judge and a jury.  Believe me, its a horrible feeling, especially when you know you're innocent, and yet the Cops, the prosecutors, the judge, and just about everyone else is looking at you like a guilty bastard, even though you know you are innocent.  Like I said, you can't explain it unless your butt has been in that seat.  Mine has and its an awful feeling.

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Re: Ron Paul on Mutually Assured Respect.
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2011, 02:44:49 PM »
I understand you guy's opinions, but the problem therein lies with the system itself not the punishment it employs. If I am wrongly convicted, I dunno how I'd feel if I was sentenced to life instead of the death penalty. Seems a screwed situation either way, but as a Christian, I see death as a promotion.
The death penalty should be determined by the states and that is where I come full circle with Dr. Paul because he does feel the same on who it should be left up to. We must fix the court problem first. The punishment dealt out is just a by product. By all means, I would leave it to the jury to fully determine if death is necessary and not left up to the lawyers. If the evidence proves the case and the jury allows it, I think the death penalty is better than the civilians of the state left to be taxed to pay for this bastard's welfare for his life sentence. That, my friends, is not liberty. I do feel there are worse things than death and perhaps we should have more chain gangs and "prisoners eat what they produce" programs to help deter crime.
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Re: Ron Paul on Mutually Assured Respect.
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2011, 04:00:12 PM »
And I agree with you there It would be cheaper to kill the crazies but If there is the chance of sacrificing 1 innocent in the name of financial stability, I think that it makes it not worth it.
I personally don't have an issue with the death as a penalty for  crime but our current system just isn't good enough. If we rebuild it from the ground up, take out the legalese and as much as possible of the government out of it as we can I might change my mind. I also don't think the judge whether he's gov or independent should be able to make the call. It aught to be the accuser, so he/she appreciates the gravity of the sentence.

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Re: Ron Paul on Mutually Assured Respect.
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2011, 04:10:00 PM »
Not looking to fight about any subject but I believe the death penalty isn't used near enough. Many more crimes should be punishable with it. I would like to see three strike felons put to death. They are nothing but a drain on society. Maybe not the popular belief in todays culture of hugging it out.  When my father was a police officer in the 60's and early 70's they didn't arrest drug dealers, they beat them half to death and dumped them at the city limits. No having to deal with repeat offenders. Again not looking to start up a fight.

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Re: Ron Paul on Mutually Assured Respect.
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2011, 04:53:53 PM »
I get where your coming from but realize that this isn't really the site for hugging things out (guns/knives/explosives.. :))) So mine and EJR's reason (hope I can speak for you) is not the idea of death but who does the killing. Our system is broken, our government corrupt and unaccountable. Which is why the power over life or death of it's citizens, is to much for it.
With the financial issues would suggest decriminalizing allot of victimless crimes, and drop down the cost of the penal system that way.

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Re: Ron Paul on Mutually Assured Respect.
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2011, 05:11:51 PM »
I agree the system is fucked but the people in this country are too. Parents raising kids with no respect and no work ethic. When I was a kid we did right because we didn't want to disappoint our parents. I could take a whooping from my dad but I couldn't handle seeing disappointment in his eyes. When we were kids we always wanted to play cops and robbers but no one ever wanted to be the robbers. Now days kids want to be "gansta". I saw a kid with "thug life" tattooed on his chest, couldn't have been more than 19 or 20 and never worked a day in his life. I could tell that kid was soft as shit and lost in life. That's who's gonna run this country in the future? I have more respect for the Hadji's his age, at least they went hard before we greased them.
 I hate to think of an honest man locked up and I am sure it has happened but one thing I learned from my dad working in law enforcement, the guys locked up in jail need to be kept from society.
 I don't think it matters who gets elected at this point because the country is to damn soft to put for an effort to change. They would rather sit on their asses and watch American Idol and buy the latest pair of $200 dollar jeans.

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« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2011, 05:17:00 PM »
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Re: Ron Paul on Mutually Assured Respect.
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2011, 05:21:06 PM »
I understand you guy's opinions, but the problem therein lies with the system itself not the punishment it employs. If I am wrongly convicted, I dunno how I'd feel if I was sentenced to life instead of the death penalty. Seems a screwed situation either way, but as a Christian, I see death as a promotion.
The death penalty should be determined by the states and that is where I come full circle with Dr. Paul because he does feel the same on who it should be left up to. We must fix the court problem first. The punishment dealt out is just a by product. By all means, I would leave it to the jury to fully determine if death is necessary and not left up to the lawyers. If the evidence proves the case and the jury allows it, I think the death penalty is better than the civilians of the state left to be taxed to pay for this bastard's welfare for his life sentence. That, my friends, is not liberty. I do feel there are worse things than death and perhaps we should have more chain gangs and "prisoners eat what they produce" programs to help deter crime.

Right, but unfortunately you cannot make decisions on life and death through the eyes of a religion, because not everyone believe they will go to a heave at death.  Some even believe that all they have is this life, and after they are dead there is nothing.  All they have is this life.  We don't know who is right and who is wrong, so we can't make the decision.  On top of that, there is freedom of religion or freedom to not have any at all.

I agree, the death penalty should be up to the states, just like it is now, just like guns, abortion, drugs, ect, ect.  but I believe we'd have to repeal the Nationalistic which was an authoritarian move by the Radical Republics in Congress after the Civil War, 14th amendment for that to pass muster with guns, abortion, drugs, ect, ect.  I'm a firm believe there should be no drug laws, gun laws, abortion laws on the Federal level.  The Constitution didn't grant that power to the Federal or now National government, and they shouldn't even be able to make a law about them on the Federal now National level. 

Its always been a perplexing question, is it better to rot in a jail cell, 23 hour lock down, for the rest of your life, with no contact to other humans and no objects in your cell, or to have a few hours of discomfort and then a very quick death, some more or less painful. 

I've always argued that a death penalty is actually more humane. 

Also, do some research, it is actually more expensive for the taxpayers if the person is put to death by the State then if they are put into jail for life with no parole.  I know it seems completely against everything that seems common sense, but its actually true.  Do some research. 

Also, if the State doesn't have a death penalty, then the jury cannot decide to give that punishment.  I agree, it should all depend on the jury.

I just see a state that allows the death penalty as an extension of an over-bearing authoritarian and tyrannical government.  When you have the power to quickly take a man's life, (Timothy McVeigh) you also have a way to quickly hush up people that may have other wise talked and given away specific information that would prove government involvement with certain things. 

It has nothing to do with the court system, and everything to do with keeping government in check and keeping corruption within our own government down.  When they can take your life, they can hush you up forever.  I don't trust my government with that kind of power.

Like I said, it feels good when a mass murderer or a rapist gets the death penalty, but my principles override my feelings of joy and revenge that I get from hearing of a really bad criminal put to death.


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Re: Ron Paul on Mutually Assured Respect.
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2011, 05:24:09 PM »
I agree the system is fucked but the people in this country are too. Parents raising kids with no respect and no work ethic. When I was a kid we did right because we didn't want to disappoint our parents. I could take a whooping from my dad but I couldn't handle seeing disappointment in his eyes. When we were kids we always wanted to play cops and robbers but no one ever wanted to be the robbers. Now days kids want to be "gansta". I saw a kid with "thug life" tattooed on his chest, couldn't have been more than 19 or 20 and never worked a day in his life. I could tell that kid was soft as shit and lost in life. That's who's gonna run this country in the future? I have more respect for the Hadji's his age, at least they went hard before we greased them.
 I hate to think of an honest man locked up and I am sure it has happened but one thing I learned from my dad working in law enforcement, the guys locked up in jail need to be kept from society.
 I don't think it matters who gets elected at this point because the country is to damn soft to put for an effort to change. They would rather sit on their asses and watch American Idol and buy the latest pair of $200 dollar jeans.


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Re: Ron Paul on Mutually Assured Respect.
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2011, 06:14:55 PM »
I agree the system is fucked but the people in this country are too. Parents raising kids with no respect and no work ethic. When I was a kid we did right because we didn't want to disappoint our parents. I could take a whooping from my dad but I couldn't handle seeing disappointment in his eyes. When we were kids we always wanted to play cops and robbers but no one ever wanted to be the robbers. Now days kids want to be "gansta". I saw a kid with "thug life" tattooed on his chest, couldn't have been more than 19 or 20 and never worked a day in his life. I could tell that kid was soft as shit and lost in life. That's who's gonna run this country in the future? I have more respect for the Hadji's his age, at least they went hard before we greased them.
 I hate to think of an honest man locked up and I am sure it has happened but one thing I learned from my dad working in law enforcement, the guys locked up in jail need to be kept from society.
 I don't think it matters who gets elected at this point because the country is to damn soft to put for an effort to change. They would rather sit on their asses and watch American Idol and buy the latest pair of $200 dollar jeans.

I agree with you, I really do, but let's just think for a second about who it is that's making our laws. did you know that the 2nd time you get a marijuana possession charge, it's a felony? so 3 marijuana felonies and.. that guy deserves to die?

trust me man, I agree with you that society is depraved and useless, but when you start killing people it brings things into a whole different arena.

what if they decide to make rain-collecting (water harvesting) a felony... should someone who's been busted 3 times for water harvesting be put to death? when looking at things the way you describe them, it's extremely important to remember that the government is making more and more NORMAL everyday activities into crimes. kids can't have lemonade stands without a city permit and inspection... it's ridiculous. so IMO all this should be taken into consideration when debating the death penalty, because going by the "3 strike you're out" idea, we have to examine just what exactly those felonies are... and whether or not they should be crimes in the first place.
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Re: Ron Paul on Mutually Assured Respect.
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2011, 06:40:18 PM »
I agree the system is fucked but the people in this country are too. Parents raising kids with no respect and no work ethic. When I was a kid we did right because we didn't want to disappoint our parents. I could take a whooping from my dad but I couldn't handle seeing disappointment in his eyes. When we were kids we always wanted to play cops and robbers but no one ever wanted to be the robbers. Now days kids want to be "gansta". I saw a kid with "thug life" tattooed on his chest, couldn't have been more than 19 or 20 and never worked a day in his life. I could tell that kid was soft as shit and lost in life. That's who's gonna run this country in the future? I have more respect for the Hadji's his age, at least they went hard before we greased them.
 I hate to think of an honest man locked up and I am sure it has happened but one thing I learned from my dad working in law enforcement, the guys locked up in jail need to be kept from society.
 I don't think it matters who gets elected at this point because the country is to damn soft to put for an effort to change. They would rather sit on their asses and watch American Idol and buy the latest pair of $200 dollar jeans.

I agree with you, I really do, but let's just think for a second about who it is that's making our laws. did you know that the 2nd time you get a marijuana possession charge, it's a felony? so 3 marijuana felonies and.. that guy deserves to die?

trust me man, I agree with you that society is depraved and useless, but when you start killing people it brings things into a whole different arena.

what if they decide to make rain-collecting (water harvesting) a felony... should someone who's been busted 3 times for water harvesting be put to death? when looking at things the way you describe them, it's extremely important to remember that the government is making more and more NORMAL everyday activities into crimes. kids can't have lemonade stands without a city permit and inspection... it's ridiculous. so IMO all this should be taken into consideration when debating the death penalty, because going by the "3 strike you're out" idea, we have to examine just what exactly those felonies are... and whether or not they should be crimes in the first place.

Well I have never had a puff of a cigarette, a sip or alcohol and defiantly no drugs so your barking up the wrong tree there. I have no tolerance for drug use but I do see your point. Who decides what wrong and whats right?

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Re: Ron Paul on Mutually Assured Respect.
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2011, 08:57:31 PM »
The problem in America starts in every American home...so until we get our morals on roughly the same page, we will suffer the consequences of electing folks who reflect that instability. The change we seek in our government must start within all of us first, then we can begin to come together and reform all the issues..including the justice system.
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Re: Ron Paul on Mutually Assured Respect.
« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2011, 03:35:08 PM »
I love how a post about foreign policy changes into a discussion on the death penalty, not complaining I just like it. ^-^

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« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2011, 03:40:42 PM »
The problem in America starts in every American home...so until we get our morals on roughly the same page, we will suffer the consequences of electing folks who reflect that instability. The change we seek in our government must start within all of us first, then we can begin to come together and reform all the issues..including the justice system.


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Re: Ron Paul on Mutually Assured Respect.
« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2011, 03:41:23 PM »
I"m trying to find the quote right now, but there is a quote by one of our founding fathers that basically states that a Republic is basically meant to be full of moral people, and that when this country gets filled with immoral people, that the Republic will end.  Well there is your answer right there.  Our country is full and I mean full of immoral people, as such, we continue to elect immoral politicians over and over again, and its gotten to the point where politics in this country is NO place for a MORAL man.

Do you get it yet?  Are you starting to understand?

Here you go:

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"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."
Charles Carroll, signer of the Declaration of Independence

The quote is sort of hard to understand in today's everyday English that we understand, but he is basically saying that MORALITY, having good morals, is more important than simply forcing everyone to be a Christian, and without that good morality, that Republic will not last very long.
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