Unchained Preppers
General Category => News & Politics => Topic started by: Kentactic on June 26, 2013, 02:56:07 PM
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Im glad im leaving CA but i dont have much hope of escaping the hatred for Traditional American Values when it comes to the topic of marriage. Today in CA it seems gay marriage has been upheld as legal and a constitutional right. On this topic i would not be sad to see states seceding from the union if in the future they are required to recognize gay marriages performed in other states. CA has always been the trend setter. Sad day for America.
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Why do people care about what others sexuality are? We're all humans. Doesn't matter our race, religion, sexuality, how we live our life, etc.
It's sad that stuff like that sill bother people.
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Why do people care about what others sexuality are? We're all humans. Doesn't matter our race, religion, sexuality, how we live our life, etc.
It's sad that stuff like that sill bother people.
Well said Frosty. :fuckYeah:
It's a great day in America for those this matters to, as it should be.
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Just a few comments from RI....
1) I have no problem if two men / women want to have a civil union and get married.
2) I do have a problem with the government telling churches they have to perform the ceremonies. So far that
isn't the issue but it will be down the road.
3) My biggest issue is that the will of the California people have been ignored TWICE by the state. The
Supreme Court today said Ca. could continue to do that as the lowly citizens didn't have the right to make
laws. Similarly to the Obama Healthcare decision; the US Supreme court in essence said, "If you don't like it,
then vote the crooks out of office. Of course that will never happen.
4) I do not have a problem with businesses who do not want to participate in a same couple wedding, e.g.
bakeries, American Legion Hall, florists, etc. This will be the next push though from the gay community.
5) Last, bigamy is coming down the road next. Stay tuned....
I had a gay couple in Seattle who were friends. Haven't chatted with them in years though. Anyhow, they had a legal document that gave each other rights as if they were married. The only thing the document could not do was if one of them died his "stuff" could not be transferred to the other without a hefty "death tax."
In closing, Kentactic, I am so happy you are leaving that state. It was screwed up when we lived there and is several times worse now. ;)
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Im with WW....
America and every freedom we have was built on families with a mom and a dad. If your willing to throw away a traditional free America so two dudes can get a tax break thats your choice. I will never be a willing part of it. This is another stepping stone towards the destruction of America.
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This was approved a few years ago here in Argentina too.
I don't like it, but I also believe that people should be free to decide with whom they want to spend the rest of their life.
The govt, because of freedom of cult, won't be able to tell the church to marry gay couples and the church will continue to oppose to it.
What I don't like at all would be of gay couples adopting children.
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Here we see a terrible fissure in the liberty community. People like myself, Christians, believe we should have liberty within the confines of God's law. Libertarians don't like this because it doesn't fit their definition of true freedom. Liberals hate it for obvious reasons. I can't tell you how many times I've heard people say, "You're going to look just like anti-interracial marriage protesters in 40 years."
No, we're going to look like a group of Americans who exercised their freedom of speech defending what they believe. If people from all persuasions of life cannot accept that, I think they have a skewed vision of what liberty really is. I fear we're seeing an era in the liberty movement where things that appear popular are going to be deemed morally right.
But it's no different now than it was in 1787. Washington and Jefferson had radically opposed views on what a patriot really is. Washington was very religious, Jefferson was a skeptic to put it politely. The real challenge is determining what should or should not bind our countrymen by law.
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Samesies (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgfQ9o2-9BM#ws)
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Hey if they want to be statistics to divorce lawyers and be miserable so be it
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Alex, right on!
I think you may have figured out man...The lawyers are behind it! Watch for a lot of more divorces. Gay marriage = divorces = more money for lawyers. I love it! :lmfao:
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This was approved a few years ago here in Argentina too.
I don't like it, but I also believe that people should be free to decide with whom they want to spend the rest of their life.
The govt, because of freedom of cult, won't be able to tell the church to marry gay couples and the church will continue to oppose to it.
What I don't like at all would be of gay couples adopting children.
They are free to chose who they spend their lives with. That idea they propagate is so shallow it makes me sick. I've worked with so many gays over the years that blatantly admit they just want their agenda accepted. It's a sin. It always has been and always will be. Why else do you think they're called gay "pride parades." You ever seen a pedophile pride parade? How about a beastiality parade? No. Hmm, how about an adultery or swingers pride parade? This has been a part of the socialist agenda for years! They're getting what they want and not a fuck is given because "men" are to afraid to take a stand because they might hurt someones feelings. Or worse, be shunned for speaking the truth. I'll accept gay marriage when two dudes can fuck each other and make a baby naturally. Until then, I'm speaking the truth. And if they or anyone else don't like it? :pissed:
P.S. It IS NOT a right. That like saying I have a "right" to marry a 13 year old because "I was born this way." Fuck that. Wrong is wrong.
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This was approved a few years ago here in Argentina too.
I don't like it, but I also believe that people should be free to decide with whom they want to spend the rest of their life.
The govt, because of freedom of cult, won't be able to tell the church to marry gay couples and the church will continue to oppose to it.
What I don't like at all would be of gay couples adopting children.
They are free to chose who they spend their lives with. That idea they propagate is so shallow it makes me sick. I've worked with so many gays over the years that blatantly admit they just want their agenda accepted. It's a sin. It always has been and always will be. Why else do you think they're called gay "pride parades." You ever seen a pedophile pride parade? How about a beastiality parade? No. Hmm, how about an adultery or swingers pride parade? This has been a part of the socialist agenda for years! They're getting what they want and not a fuck is given because "men" are to afraid to take a stand because they might hurt someones feelings. Or worse, be shunned for speaking the truth. I'll accept gay marriage when two dudes can fuck each other and make a baby naturally. Until then, I'm speaking the truth. And if they or anyone else don't like it? :pissed:
P.S. It IS NOT a right. That like saying I have a "right" to marry a 13 year old because "I was born this way." Fuck that. Wrong is wrong.
You are analyzing this from your religious point of view, so probably further discussion is pointless.
There are hetero couples that can't have children, should they be allowed to be married?
I don't think people's sexuality defines if they are good of bad people.
50 fucking percent of marriages end up in divorce, that was forbidden by the church also, and now is common thing.
Is ok for you to not like it, but you like it or not, calling them married or not, gay couples existed and will continue existing.
They are happy that way and will continue being gay even if the church, the gov or the society condemns them, you can't convince them to be hetero again.
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So APX you're going to try and win an argument by deploying negative statistics? Are you trying to tell me gays should be married so they can be as fucked up as the rest of the godless hypocrites who let their flesh run their lives? :)) Brilliant approach there.
By the way, it's not just a religious thing. It's personal experience talking to friends and coworkers who have struggled with homosexuality, sexual abuse, molestation, and promiscuity.
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I gave you many arguments that you decided to avoid replying for your convenience.
I can give you one more, aren't gays god's creation also?
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I gave you many arguments that you decided to avoid replying for your convenience.
I can give you one more, aren't gays god's creation also?
How can I explain something to someone who doesn't want to understand? I'm not avoiding anything. I'm just not being blunt with you now because you and I both know you'll have a hissy and it should be done via PM's. Frankly though, I think it's pretty futile in your case because of your religious bias.
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I gave you many arguments that you decided to avoid replying for your convenience.
I can give you one more, aren't gays god's creation also?
How can I explain something to someone who doesn't want to understand? I'm not avoiding anything. I'm just not being blunt with you now because you and I both know you'll have a hissy and it should be done via PM's. Frankly though, I think it's pretty futile in your case because of your religious bias.
What should I understand? That your religion sees it as bad? That your religion gives you the right to decide whats right and wrong?
I think I never met you before, so I dunno what you know about "my religion bias", and also the only one having a hissy are you, I'm just giving you arguments and trying to tell you that your religious arguments are just valid for people who follow your religion.
FYI I'm an apostolic roman catholic but I don't let an old book rule my life.
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Why do people care about what others sexuality are? We're all humans. Doesn't matter our race, religion, sexuality, how we live our life, etc.
It's sad that stuff like that sill bother people.
Guys....
We're suppose to be men, why not act like it (and maybe, just maybe, try and get along).
We all have difference in opinions. Personally I don't care if gay people get married, if they adopt kids, if one is Jewish and the other is Muslim, I don't care. But if they make a big deal about it, la dee da, good for them, but I won't listen because I'm doing my thing. If they don't like what I do, so what? So why should I care about their shit?
I could care less about what other people do (to some extent, don't get me wrong). But when they try to make a big deal about their stuff, I do have a problem. Like people pushing their religious/political opinions down my throat, or trying to get more from something because they're some sort of minority. You get my drift?
Yes I'm all over the place at trying to get my point across, blame the lack of sleep and excess PT lol. Lets all be men and try to get along, okay?
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You guys know I'm not bible guy.
I'm on the side of " pursuit of happiness "
Just don't come after my butthole and we're good. :cheers:
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Im glad they have the same legal rights as us.
My thoughts are similar to this
Gay Rights and Gun Rights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6or-Hya23DI#ws)
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Yeager did good, for once lol
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As a Christian I am opposed to homosexuality. I am opposed to homosexual acts for myself. God gave me free will to choose sin, so I give that power to everyone else. God told Adam not to eat a particular fruit but he let Adam decide on his own.
As a Christian, I will not engage in homosexual acts. As a Libertarian, gay marriage should be allowed for others. But as an anarchist, government has no business in marriage in the first place. You should be allowed to marry more than one wife, animals, chieldren, relatives, or any consenting combination thereof.
I can give you one more, aren't gays god's creation also?
I don't know if homosexuals are born homosexual. That is hole 'nother biological and genetic discussion. But I do know that being homosexual is not a sin. No more than being a heterosexual is a sin. Lustfull heterosexual thoughts of another woman is still a sin.
Do you guys think Incest, bestiality, and polygamy should be legalized next?
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...Lustfull heterosexual thoughts of another woman is still a sin...
So what do you think about when you're jerkin' your gherkin? And don't say you don't do it, 'cause lying is a sin too. :troutSlap:
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I'm not pretending I am better than anybody else. Everybody sins.
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Guys, just try not to mix children and animals in here.
Marriage is something two consenting adults decide, bestiality and child abuse are not consensual, are a crime and a total different topic.
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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."*
*Certain restrictions may apply. Not valid in all states. Document may be discontinued or subject to revision without prior notice or reason.
Where does it say that the government is required to endorse your choices?
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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."*
*Certain restrictions may apply. Not valid in all states. Document may be discontinued or subject to revision without prior notice or reason.
Where does it say that the government is required to endorse your choices?
Where does it say that the government is required to limit your choices?
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Children brought up in a same sex home will not be raised correctly. Flat out fact as far as im concerned. I just cant sit and allow my tax dollars to support this type of lifestyle that i know is further damaging America. I pay the government and im telling them they cant say its ok to be gay AND act upon it. If a gay couple wants to go stand infront of their family and friends in a church and vow to be together forever, fine by me. I just dont support it so id prefer my tax dollars dont either. I dont expect the government to say that me shooting animals for food is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Just because your free dosent mean the government has to acknowledge it openly and say its awesome for your rights to not be violated. Some rights are best not yelled from the rooftops.
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Children brought up in a same sex home will not be raised correctly. Flat out fact as far as im concerned. I just cant sit and allow my tax dollars to support this type of lifestyle that i know is further damaging America. I pay the government and im telling them they cant say its ok to be gay AND act upon it. If a gay couple wants to go stand infront of their family and friends in a church and vow to be together forever, fine by me. I just dont support it so id prefer my tax dollars dont either. I dont expect the government to say that me shooting animals for food is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Just because your free dosent mean the government has to acknowledge it openly and say its awesome for your rights to not be violated. Some rights are best not yelled from the rooftops.
Good thing your not gay, because I bet you'd be in a real moral and spiritual quandary based on your beliefs right about now. :bravo:
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Crudos, im not the most religous person. But the bible dosent say that being born gay makes you a sinner. The bible says that ACTING ON IT is a sin. Some people get cancer, some are born with physical mutations. We all have our challenges in life. As a gay person theirs would be reframing from acting on gay urges.
As far as your thinking on governments role. They better buy me a new AR or they are limiting my choices. I choose to shoot an AR. I dont have one. They need to buy me one ASAP.
Show me where it says in the constitution that the government must give its full support in writing to every choice you make.
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Crudos, im not the most religous person. But the bible dosent say that being born gay makes you a sinner. The bible says that ACTING ON IT is a sin. Some people get cancer, some are born with physical mutations. We all have our challenges in life. As a gay person theirs would be reframing from acting on gay urges.
As far as your thinking on governments role. They better buy me a new AR or they are limiting my choices. I choose to shoot an AR. I dont have one. They need to buy me one ASAP.
As a non-christian, the bible and related mythology makes not one bit of difference in how I try to live a moral and upstanding life. Nor does it guide how I should view other people no matter their faith, or lack of it. If you want to get into some discussion about gay people as mutants (or whatever your trying to say), then that's another thread. I know more than a couple gay folks, and they certainly don't have any cool X-man-type powers.
Since I never got my Obama phone, hoping I'll be getting a nice commie-built AK instead.
Back on topic, as a libertarian, the right of gay people to be legally married is nothing but a win for freedom and liberty, god and the bible be damned.
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Now if only zoophiles and polygamists can get their rights too. (Serious)
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Heres another angle since were on a rights kick. A gay couple goes to a church to be married. That church says no they wont marry them because its against their religion. Now the government has recognized gay marriage as a constitutional right. This gay couple then sues for discrimination. Its not far fetched BTW. Its already happened in many cases. At best the church will lose its non profit status. The government should not be legally binding people to break the law or break their beliefs.
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Crudos i cant quote on my phone if its too long because i cant scroll down. But i see youve abandoned debate and went straight to making smart remarks. So im done being it became me arguing with a standup comedian.
BTW its obviously a mutation for a person to not be able to have children naturally. No different then a straight man/woman who is infertile. Different cause same result.
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Heres another angle since were on a rights kick. A gay couple goes to a church to be married. That church says no they wont marry them because its against their religion. Now the government has recognized gay marriage as a constitutional right. This gay couple then sues for discrimination. Its not far fetched BTW. Its already happened in many cases. At best the church will lose its non profit status. The government should not be legally binding people to break the law or break their beliefs.
Marriage is a legal contract, church marriage is another thing, that's why you have married people from different religions.
Government can't do shit to force the church to religiously marry a couple because of freedom of cult.
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Welcome to a "Free" America APX. The cases are already out there. If you say i wont provide a service to you because your gay and its against my religion then kiss that nonprofit status goodbye. There was a catholic adoption agency who refused to adopt kids to gays. The government said they cant refuse people for being gay. They just had to close down.
The churches are under attack and im becoming more religous every day i see it.
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Crudos i cant quote on my phone if its too long because i cant scroll down. But i see youve abandoned debate and went straight to making smart remarks. So im done being it became me arguing with a standup comedian.
BTW its obviously a mutation for a person to not be able to have children naturally. No different then a straight man/woman who is infertile. Different cause same result.
Smart remarks? Why thanks and yes. I will respond to in the manner which I see fit, and I find your statements regarding gay marriage and gay people in general to be ridiculous. What is the point of debating something when one side is so entrenched in dogma that further commentary produces no real substance or understanding? Compassion and understanding is something your Jesus Christ had alot to say about, too bad that has fallen by the wayside since his passing.
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I wonder if our founding fathers argued about such a foolish pursuits? If those supporting this don't realize this an agenda meant to polarize us then you are fools. Nothing more. This may not be for all, but it is for me a dividing factor. I am not the one holding my hand up though. We all choose our sides and our separation. What's the old sang? The enemy of my enemy is my friend? Try to understand, it's not the man or woman, it's their pride for their sins. My line is drawn, and you don't cross it without the truth.
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Its saddening to see people spit on the thing that gives them so much opportunity and shaped who they are today. I havent believed in god most of my life. But i still had morals. These morals didnt fly out of my athiest ass. The country as a whole still was reaping the benefits of religion based morals. How does a man see whats right and wrong without a guidline? If you say its common sense then its because you had those guidlines infront of you as you were raised wether you knew it or not. Today those moral guidlines through religion are dissapearing. Thats why our youth are such punks these days. Believe me 1 year ago id think someone hacked my account if i read this. But its kind of obvious when you look for it. Without a good religous base a country cant be great. Having that base isnt a guarantee of a free and happy land. But its a requirement to acheive one.
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Its saddening to see people spit on the thing that gives them so much opportunity and shaped who they are today. I havent believed in god most of my life. But i still had morals. These morals didnt fly out of my athiest ass. The country as a whole still was reaping the benefits of religion based morals. How does a man see whats right and wrong without a guidline? If you say its common sense then its because you had those guidlines infront of you as you were raised wether you knew it or not. Today those moral guidlines through religion are dissapearing. Thats why our youth are such punks these days. Believe me 1 year ago id think someone hacked my account if i read this. But its kind of obvious when you look for it. Without a good religous base a country cant be great. Having that base isnt a guarantee of a free and happy land. But its a requirement to acheive one.
Hey Ken, I am pleased as punch you found some solace and guidance in your religion. Doesn't mean everyone in this nation should genuflect at the same altar. Morality shouldn't be tied to any religious dogma, if your doing it right. It's great that some religions take upon to teach morals, but they are not the end-all, be-all authority of what is right and wrong. Prep on Ken!
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Its saddening to see people spit on the thing that gives them so much opportunity and shaped who they are today. I havent believed in god most of my life. But i still had morals. These morals didnt fly out of my athiest ass. The country as a whole still was reaping the benefits of religion based morals. How does a man see whats right and wrong without a guidline? If you say its common sense then its because you had those guidlines infront of you as you were raised wether you knew it or not. Today those moral guidlines through religion are dissapearing. Thats why our youth are such punks these days. Believe me 1 year ago id think someone hacked my account if i read this. But its kind of obvious when you look for it. Without a good religous base a country cant be great. Having that base isnt a guarantee of a free and happy land. But its a requirement to acheive one.
So by my understanding that makes Saudi Arabia great too? Pre-invasion Afghanistan?
Not a smart remark, just an honest observation.
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Wow! Do you guys realize that if this thread continues for any longer it will contain more posts than any of the prepping topics?
There's more latent homosexuality brewing here than a GOP convention. Why don't you boys save your bible thumping, toe tapping, fire and brimstone speeches for all of the impressionable, doe-eyed children at the local Sunday school and put all of that awesome energy toward something positive and useful-- this verbal masturbation is gumming up my interwebs and the webpages keep sticking together ;D :o
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Frosty, read the very next sentance in my quote. I put it in there specifically to clearify and avoid this.
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Its saddening to see people spit on the thing that gives them so much opportunity and shaped who they are today. I havent believed in god most of my life. But i still had morals. These morals didnt fly out of my athiest ass. The country as a whole still was reaping the benefits of religion based morals. How does a man see whats right and wrong without a guidline? If you say its common sense then its because you had those guidlines infront of you as you were raised wether you knew it or not. Today those moral guidlines through religion are dissapearing. Thats why our youth are such punks these days. Believe me 1 year ago id think someone hacked my account if i read this. But its kind of obvious when you look for it. Without a good religous base a country cant be great. Having that base isnt a guarantee of a free and happy land. But its a requirement to acheive one.
So by my understanding that makes Saudi Arabia great too? Pre-invasion Afghanistan?
Not a smart remark, just an honest observation.
:facepalm: And you're comparing Islamic nations to a Judeo-Christian one. If you don't see the issue there don't bother asking me to point it out. I think Terri Schiavo would've stood a better chance at understanding.
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@ Crudos- Fair enough. Prep on we shall :fuckYeah: im actually starting over prepping wise to a degree. Not bringin much to wyoming.
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Wow! Do you guys realize that if this thread continues for any longer it will contain more posts than any of the prepping topics?
There's more latent homosexuality brewing here than a GOP convention. Why don't you boys save your bible thumping, toe tapping, fire and brimstone speeches for all of the impressionable, doe-eyed children at the local Sunday school and put all of that awesome energy toward something positive and useful-- this verbal masturbation is gumming up my interwebs and the webpages keep sticking together ;D :o
thatGirl- I appreciate what you're trying to do. You know, getting everyone refocused on prepping topics, but try to understand something here. You'd better starting praying, hoping, or throwing bones in a pan (whatever nonreligious folks do) that this nation regains or finds some moral guidance because if it doesn't you are all fucked. And I don't mean fire and brimstone from Heaven or Hell. I mean your own kind will literally cook you up and consume you. They will tear the clothes from your flesh and your flesh from your bones. This nation is a breeding ground for living breathing walking abominations of man. No religion about it. If you want to steer clear of moral arguments and wait to see what's coming be my guest.
I've been preaching it for years and I will continue to thump, thump, thump until I beat in to peoples stubborn skulls. If we do not fall under truth we will fall by our enemies. If your soul is not prepared all your preparation are dross. I would stake my life on those words.
P.S. My freedom of religion and speech is not confined to a Sunday school. That freedom was what founded this nation. And the lack there of is what brought it down.
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Wow! I've been gone for a few days checking on my BOL. I come back and sign on to get a healthy dose of prepping inspiration and all I find is page after page of this. I'll check back tomorrow.
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Its saddening to see people spit on the thing that gives them so much opportunity and shaped who they are today. I havent believed in god most of my life. But i still had morals. These morals didnt fly out of my athiest ass. The country as a whole still was reaping the benefits of religion based morals. How does a man see whats right and wrong without a guidline? If you say its common sense then its because you had those guidlines infront of you as you were raised wether you knew it or not. Today those moral guidlines through religion are dissapearing. Thats why our youth are such punks these days. Believe me 1 year ago id think someone hacked my account if i read this. But its kind of obvious when you look for it. Without a good religous base a country cant be great. Having that base isnt a guarantee of a free and happy land. But its a requirement to acheive one.
So by my understanding that makes Saudi Arabia great too? Pre-invasion Afghanistan?
Not a smart remark, just an honest observation.
:facepalm: And you're comparing Islamic nations to a Judeo-Christian one. If you don't see the issue there don't bother asking me to point it out. I think Terri Schiavo would've stood a better chance at understanding.
My point is that the state shouldn't be involved with religion, nor should religion be involved with the state. Nothing but trouble comes out of it.
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Frosty- Don't take this wrong, but are you gay or bisexual?
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Our good friend Irish puts it into perspective for us.
Let us understand the situation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1RIC3W8hzM#ws)
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Frosty- The free land i stand on today and millions have for over 200 years is "nothing good" to you? It is because of religion that America exists. But rest assured religion is fading and with it America.
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Frosty- Don't take this wrong, but are you gay or bisexual?
No sir, but I have some good friends and family who are, and they're some of the best people I've ever had the pleasure to know. Because of that I have a strong opinion on this subject. I see that they should have all of the same rights and liberties that I have, because they're no different than I am. Some of them are even church going Christians (and one Buddhist). They're people, no matter their sexual preference, religion, skin colour, political views, what have you.
I'm a young man who likes beautiful ladies, politically a libertarian, and religiously an agnostic. I didn't have to find these beliefs after years of soul searching or anything of that nature, I was just smart enough to figure things out for myself and not let other people, or books, or religious/political figureheads influence me. But that's just me. And with regards to my religious views, I come from a family where some of them believe "If you don't go to church you'll go to hell" and "Anglicans shouldn't intermingle with Catholics", and even "Jews/Muslims/etc are bad".
That's just the way I am, I guess.
Ken, do I really have to go into the history books and bring up how much death and war was caused because of religion? Yes, America was built on some specific values, but times change. America can still be America, and if anything, it can actually become more free, and it's not going to happen by restricting peoples rights as human beings.
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Death and war was caused in order to free the slaves too... Should we just avoid war at all costs or is war a lesser evil in some cases?
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I really dont have much more to add here. I mirror Irish in the video above. He can articulate far better then i. I attempted to show where i drew my line in the sand. Maybe its hard to see. If so wait till nightfall and use a flashlight at ground level. It should show up pretty good.
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Frosty- You said "My point is that the state shouldn't be involved with religion, nor should religion be involved with the state. Nothing but trouble comes out of it." Well my friend you and I are of the state. We the people comprise it. The majority may accept homosexuality, but not be inclined to participate in it. That does not make it a rightful cause. Tolerating something does not make it okay. I consider you as I do many Americans, indoctrinated sheep to the core.
To this point if liberty and freedom is why you prep than it is a selfish waste if you'd toss it away on such dross as homosexual marriage. How many of them are being beheaded in the streets? How many are being deprived of food, water, jobs, speech, and general liberty? NONE. Marriage is not a right you indigent intellectual. It is a holy covenant between a man and woman that has been broken since the beginning of time by the fleshy selfish desires of mankind.
People like yourself forsake all reason for selfish purposes and feel good words. If you want someone to lie to you and make you feel better perhaps you'd do better to join a LGBT forum. This is not the case. The majority of the men here wish to preserve this nation as our founding fathers created it. At now point in time was a LGBT agenda part of that. If you wish to change that than I suggest you change your voting party to Democrat and begin lobbying for Obama. Perhaps you can travel to South Africa were he is pushing it now!
And pushing is the key word there. You people push and shove your lying little agendas all over us. And look at what you've created! This nation is ripping itself apart thanks to the lies of tolerance and lack of morality. "But it's the religious peoples faults" you all say. What cowards. We Christians, sinners ourselves, who preach forgiveness through redeeming truth. You think yourselves better? You call those who've turned away from homosexuality liars and propagandist because you can't stand to see the truth. Your issue isn't that we're against homosexuality. Your issue is you're against God himself. There is an inherit hate for truth in you.
Just like Hibernaison said your kind will light those torches and pick up those pitch forks. We didn't separate from these traditions. Your kind did. Marx would be proud.
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Death and war was caused in order to free the slaves too... Should we just avoid war at all costs or is war a lesser evil in some cases?
People like him don't understand. The expect that every man who has claimed to have been religious should be like Christ himself and without error. The reason is twofold. They don't accept that Christ is the Son of God out of disbelief and rebellion. I mean after all something must exist in the first place for you to deny it right? You can't deny what never was. And by comparison to the worst religious hypocrite they can call themselves better, or not "as bad." Evil is evil, people who think of it in terms of degrees are in denial.
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:suicide:
It's pointless.
Peace out guys. Hope y'all succeed in your lives.
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:suicide:
It's pointless.
Peace out guys. Hope y'all succeed in your lives.
Oop, I hurt someone's feelings. So be it Frosty, but keep in mind you're the one walking away from the conversation. When the Communist take over and the Muslim extremism begins here like it is elsewhere keep in mind they don't forgive and they love a good'ol beheading. ??? Wonder if that's what those guillotines are for? :facepalm: Probably just a coincidence.
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My feelings aren't hurt by any means, I'm just bowing out of this discussion since it's pointless to try and continue with it. Might I add though that it's pretty apparent that the communists have already taken over, and have been in control for some time.
I do have to say though, guys, that I do still hold you all in the highest respects for standing up in what you believe in, even if I personally don't share such viewpoints. Sometimes it's just better to step away from a fight, rather than keep on throwing useless punches.
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My feelings aren't hurt by any means, I'm just bowing out of this discussion since it's pointless to try and continue with it. Might I add though that it's pretty apparent that the communists have already taken over, and have been in control for some time.
I do have to say though, guys, that I do still hold you all in the highest respects for standing up in what you believe in, even if I personally don't share such viewpoints. Sometimes it's just better to step away from a fight, rather than keep on throwing useless punches.
And Frosty, I feel the same, but like I tell my little sister (who argues with me about the same shit) I only argue with you because you're worth the fight. That may be hard to understand, but someday you'll get it.
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Death and war was caused in order to free the slaves too... Should we just avoid war at all costs or is war a lesser evil in some cases?
Actually, Lincoln was originally against freeing the slaves. The reason he finally decided to do it was in the hopes that a rebellion would start in the south hindering the southern war effort. You are correct in my opinion that war is the lesser evil in some cases. People have found many reasons to fight wars. In some cases, the evil of war was just the expansion of another evil. For example, Hitler's war was evil based on evil. Stalin's and Mao's wars against their own people were in essence war against their own people based on evil intentions. It's always easier to defeat an adversary if you disarm them first.
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:lmfao: ThatGirl you hit the nail squarely on the head!
this verbal masturbation is gumming up my interwebs and the webpages keep sticking together ;D :o
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Personally i think talking about this more wouldnt hurt. What we are talking about here is the root problem behind why America is dying. Fuck some beans and rice. Prep your minds. Prep your communities minds. If we cant even get on the same page for what it takes to have a free land as a people forget about rebuilding it. If this very serious topic is gumming up your forum i can find one more suitable.
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Personally i think talking about this more wouldnt hurt. What we are talking about here is the root problem behind why America is dying. Fuck some beans and rice. Prep your minds. Prep your communities minds. If we cant even get on the same page for what it takes to have a free land as a people forget about rebuilding it. If this very serious topic is gumming up your forum i can find one more suitable.
So your saying that everyone in this forum should agree with you and WW on this topic? This kind of stuff is just distractions but forth by those who would keep you in fear. I don't fear gay people having the legal rights to marriage like all other Americans.
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I tend to agree with Ken. Shocking right? I just want to point out a few things here. Items of polarization in this nation are propagated by media for a reason. Those who declare things like abortion, gay marriage, feminism, wealth distribution, and so on are subjects to the socialist mindset. Beyond that, declaring one's liberty to pursue things like abortion and gay marriage are really anarcho-pacifism. By declaring unlimited liberty you're really declaring anarchy in the form of complete separation from not just moral and traditional understanding, but by demanding a federal government (of the people) be changed to accommodate your revised beliefs.
With that understanding not a soul here or elsewhere can logically explain where my liberty goes when things like this occur without coming to the obvious negative conclusion. My liberty was nixed. And for those who don't believe gay marriage affects my liberty answer me a this:
My Constitutional right to freedom of religion. I turn on my tv-it's gay. I open a book-it's gay. I open a magazine-it's really gay. I send my child to public school- he can be taught why Bobby has two mommies, anal sex is safe and okay between boys, and condoms are passed out for free. I go out of the house with my family to shop- we consistently see homosexuals together and have even had perverts creep us out looking at our young son. So where is my freedom of religion? Confining me to walls within a church is about as much freedom as the Jews had when they were confined to the ghettos. Don't kid yourselves.
My Constitutional right to freedom of speech. If I utter a word, not even in condemnation, but not of support to homosexuals I'm a hateful person. If I mention morality, religion, faith, or even forgiveness and redemption I'm a religious hate monger. If a Christian comes forward who suffered from homosexuality comes forward and declares he was healed he is called a liar.
My question is not where did my Constitutional guaranteed rights go, but when did they receive a Constitutional pardon to persecute me and those that would stand with me? And don't kid yourselves saying that's not the case. You've all seen the injustices committed BY LIBERTY against our very own Constitution. Unlimited liberty is anarchy and the far left has been employing anarcho-pacifism flawlessly for decades.
If any of you hopes to reclaim or reforge this nation in to what it once was then you need to refine yourselves physically, mentally, and spiritually. If our founding fathers were a moral compass you might ask yourselves how far off you are from them with the understanding that liberty didn't forge their beliefs. Their beliefs forged that liberty. The majority were Christians.
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Well said WhiteWolf :fuckYeah:
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Personally i think talking about this more wouldnt hurt. What we are talking about here is the root problem behind why America is dying. Fuck some beans and rice. Prep your minds. Prep your communities minds. If we cant even get on the same page for what it takes to have a free land as a people forget about rebuilding it. If this very serious topic is gumming up your forum i can find one more suitable.
So your saying that everyone in this forum should agree with you and WW on this topic? This kind of stuff is just distractions but forth by those who would keep you in fear. I don't fear gay people having the legal rights to marriage like all other Americans.
I dont expect everyone to agree on anything but lets atleast keep the dialogue going. If we can devote threads to whats better an AR or an AK and have heated debates i think we should be able to squeeze in a conversation about the cornerstone of what makes America, America and how to save it.
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Personally i think talking about this more wouldnt hurt. What we are talking about here is the root problem behind why America is dying. Fuck some beans and rice. Prep your minds. Prep your communities minds. If we cant even get on the same page for what it takes to have a free land as a people forget about rebuilding it. If this very serious topic is gumming up your forum i can find one more suitable.
So your saying that everyone in this forum should agree with you and WW on this topic? This kind of stuff is just distractions but forth by those who would keep you in fear. I don't fear gay people having the legal rights to marriage like all other Americans.
I dont expect everyone to agree on anything but lets atleast keep the dialogue going. If we can devote threads to whats better an AR or an AK and have heated debates i think we should be able to squeeze in a conversation about the cornerstone of what makes America, America and how to save it.
But AR-AK threads are based on real things, real objects, real results that can be scientifically compared and contrasted. Gay marriage opponents only basis is old jewish tribal books of mythology, who's stories have been stolen, twisted, and turned over the centuries to suit whatever argument is trying to be made by it's adherents. I get that WW and you are on a mission to convert the non-believers as part of your faith's path, but makes for terrible one-sided discussions on the internet.
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Wrong Crudos. I wouldnt even consider myself a full blown believer. Im coming around but im not there yet. There is no disputing what has happened to America. There is no disputing religion is fading. Wether god exists or not isnt even important to the conversation. We know religion exists and we know when it had a stronger presence in America the nation was better off. Wether believets are praying to empty skies or not is not important. They have a guidline in their life and a moral compass. America requires this foundation to be great.
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Wrong Crudos. I wouldnt even consider myself a full blown believer. Im coming around but im not there yet. There is no disputing what has happened to America. There is no disputing religion is fading. Wether god exists or not isnt even important to the conversation. We know religion exists and we know when it had a stronger presence in America the nation was better off. Wether believets are praying to empty skies or not is not important. They have a guidline in their life and a moral compass. America requires this foundation to be great.
My apologies then Ken on painting you with wrong brush in regards to your faith's path. Christianity maybe be fading as a whole, but that means other forms of spirituality are rising from what I've been reading and seeing. I think that is a great thing, and bodes well for the future of not only this nation, but the world in general.
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Well Crudos well have to agree to disagree. Fly by night drink your pee and love mother earth type people arent going to cut it. Its really kind of wierd what im experiencing. I figured id recieve support here if anywhere. Its almost like the revelations in a way. Most will be all for this new world crap or whatever. Seems odd...could libertarianism be the antichrist? :whip:
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Well Crudos well have to agree to disagree. Fly by night drink your pee and love mother earth type people arent going to cut it. Its really kind of wierd what im experiencing. I figured id recieve support here if anywhere. Its almost like the revelations in a way. Most will be all for this new world crap or whatever. Seems odd...could libertarianism be the antichrist? :whip:
I totally support you finding peace and solace in your faith, but that doesn't mean yours is the only correct path for everyone else. I could be the antichrist, those nuns in Sunday school back in the day seemed sure, lol.
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So.. Bestiality.
Yay or nay or GTFA?
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So.. Bestiality.
Yay or nay or GTFA?
Totally unrelated to gay marriage. It's a whole nother beast. :o ;)
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Guys, it's not about finding peace or solace. It's about finding truth. If anyone thinks being a Christian is easy you've got the wrong idea. When people say I'm trying to "convert" them I want you to understand that's entirely true, but it's not some pat you on the back welcome to the club reception. I want people to wake up to the truth. That's hard. Incredibly hard. Even when you know it through and through it's a difficult walk, but I'm not the type of man who is going to step down from it.
Crudos, as Christians fade you will watch this nation slip further and further in to chaos. And what replaces it will not be pretty. This is one of the topics I've held back on, but should you ever want to understand what's here and what's coming in these regards I'll be happy to post. It's going to get a lot worse.
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Guys, it's not about finding peace or solace. It's about finding truth. If anyone thinks being a Christian is easy you've got the wrong idea. When people say I'm trying to "convert" them I want you to understand that's entirely true, but it's not some pat you on the back welcome to the club reception. I want people to wake up to the truth. That's hard. Incredibly hard. Even when you know it through and through it's a difficult walk, but I'm not the type of man who is going to step down from it.
Crudos, as Christians fade you will watch this nation slip further and further in to chaos. And what replaces it will not be pretty. This is one of the topics I've held back on, but should you ever want to understand what's here and what's coming in these regards I'll be happy to post. It's going to get a lot worse.
I'd love to see you write something like that for the forum. Please don't hold back on my or anyone's account. Would make a great piece for the "Health - Body, Mind, and Spirit" part of the forum.
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So.. Bestiality.
Yay or nay or GTFA?
Totally unrelated to gay marriage. It's a whole nother beast. :o ;)
What about legalizing consenting 13 year old kids for sex? There are those out there supporting such legislation. And if you say no than please explain it other than age, because that's basically a traditions based argument that you've tossed out the window with your stance on homosexual marriage. In other words, don't play this game of liberally deciding what's wrong by degrees. Wrong is wrong. Provide proof it's wrong.
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What about legalizing consenting 13 year old kids for sex? There are those out there supporting such legislation. And if you say no than please explain it other than age, because that's basically a traditions based argument that you've tossed out the window with your stance on homosexual marriage. In other words, don't play this game of liberally deciding what's wrong by degrees. Wrong is wrong. Provide proof it's wrong.
Mao, Stalin, Hitler, and others tried to rule by absolutism. Your version of society sounds an awful lot like a totalitarian regime to me. Black and white has killed millions, while gray is the color of freedom my friend.
If you want to talk about legal age of consent, beastility, and other non-similar topics, then please start an appropriate thread for it.
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What about legalizing consenting 13 year old kids for sex? There are those out there supporting such legislation. And if you say no than please explain it other than age, because that's basically a traditions based argument that you've tossed out the window with your stance on homosexual marriage. In other words, don't play this game of liberally deciding what's wrong by degrees. Wrong is wrong. Provide proof it's wrong.
Mao, Stalin, Hitler, and others tried to rule by absolutism. Your version of society sounds an awful lot like a totalitarian regime to me. Black and white has killed millions, while gray is the color of freedom my friend.
If you want to talk about legal age of consent, beastility, and other non-similar topics, then please start an appropriate thread for it.
Christianity isn't absolutism. It's free will informed and used properly. And wake up, you already live in a totalitarian regime. Problem is the stance you're taking is with the regime and against men, women, and families who hold themselves to a moral standard. If you want to dodge answering my legal consent question that's fine, but you need to concede that yours, and their arguments are only based on personal biased with no fundamental backing other than that of Karl Marx and Barack Obama.
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Christianity isn't absolutism. It's free will informed and used properly. And wake up, you already live in a totalitarian regime. Problem is the stance you're taking is with the regime and against men, women, and families who hold themselves to a moral standard. If you want to dodge answering my legal consent question that's fine, but you need to concede that yours, and their arguments are only based on personal biased with no fundamental backing other than that of Karl Marx and Barack Obama.
Christian absolutism: So the whole, 'your going to spend eternity in hell, unless you follow our path,' doesn't sound like a totalitarian regime to you?
"Free will informed and used properly": So a person has free will to follow your path. If not, you will be shamed, coerced, or otherwise brow-beaten to use your free will for the good of the christian god? Back in the day, Christianity did more than just psy-ops on non-christians to turn the population to their religion. Just saying.
"And wake up, you already live in a totalitarian regime": Lets see, as Christianity was the dominate religion since this nation was founded, tell me again how we got to this totalitarian regime?
If you wish to talk about legal age of consent, then start a new thread to pontificate about it. Flooding discussion with un-related topics does nothing to help others understand. But I get that is also part of the conversion process; agreement via confusion.
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Christianity isn't absolutism. It's free will informed and used properly. And wake up, you already live in a totalitarian regime. Problem is the stance you're taking is with the regime and against men, women, and families who hold themselves to a moral standard. If you want to dodge answering my legal consent question that's fine, but you need to concede that yours, and their arguments are only based on personal biased with no fundamental backing other than that of Karl Marx and Barack Obama.
Christian absolutism: So the whole, 'your going to spend eternity in hell, unless you follow our path,' doesn't sound like a totalitarian regime to you?
"Free will informed and used properly": So a person has free will to follow your path. If not, you will be shamed, coerced, or otherwise brow-beaten to use your free will for the good of the christian god? Back in the day, Christianity did more than just psy-ops on non-christians to turn the population to their religion. Just saying.
"And wake up, you already live in a totalitarian regime": Lets see, as Christianity was the dominate religion since this nation was founded, tell me again how we got to this totalitarian regime?
If you wish to talk about legal age of consent, then start a new thread to pontificate about it. Flooding discussion with un-related topics does nothing to help others understand. But I get that is also part of the conversion process; agreement via confusion.
Hell isn't absolutism. You're given a choice. It doesn't mean you never sin again. It means you live a life expressing penitence, trying to turn from your sins, and ultimately turning from them through faith. I hate when people say Christianity is absolutism because it's the furthest thing from the truth. People like you just have to much pride to accept when you're wrong.
Free will informed and used properly doesn't mean you don't screw up. It just means rather than throwing a parade in others peoples faces about it you repent for your sins and attempt to turn from them. I've seen this struggle in men and women and it's real and it's difficult. Yeah, some are legitimately proud and have no struggle because they've pushed of the Holy Spirit and are numb to conviction, but others hurt deep inside because of it. Do you feel for those kids and adults or just think they must be crazy? I mean if you're born gay why question it? Why not just go where ever your dick leads you?
How'd we get this totalitarian regime? Wolves in sheep's clothing. Don't ask stupid question. It's called corruption and it's the same damn thing you yourself have acknowledged in our nation. This whole agenda is what it is. Even if you put lipstick on a pig it's still a pig. And as far as Christians committing a psyop; once again you are looking for perfection in men in a fallen world. EVERYONE is a hypocrite. Not to one extent or another. Me, you, everyone. That said would you rather stake a claim to morality and draw a line in the sand or just continue back stepping until you're up against a wall?
The age of consent argument was only to point out that people like yourself deal with things in degrees so you can scapegoat facts. It's like saying. "Obama's evil, but he's not as evil as Hitler." Like changing the age of consent to 13 is bad, but in comparison to homosexual marriage it's horrific because you want to tote it like it's some civil rights victory. It's like the blind men and the elephant. you have a concept of morality, but not the big picture. Reminds me of all the whites who voted for Obama because he was black. If you're confused it's your own deal.
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@WW
A simple loaded question here: Would you like to see the U.S. become a christian theocracy?
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@WW: I'm not confused most of the time, but wholly amused by the, "If we throw enough of a certain brown-substance against the wall, something is sure to stick,"-routine of gathering souls for your eternal happiness behind the pearly gates. I do enjoy these spiritual chats mostly, but have a feeling the rest of the forum it's probably like watching a car wreck over and over again. My apologies to the rest of the forum.
"For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise."
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@WW
A simple loaded question here: Would you like to see the U.S. become a christian theocracy?
No. Now let me ask you something. Would you prefer politicians follow their own whim, Islamic principles, Communist manifestos, or Christian morals? Christ himself did not force the Romans to their knees and I wouldn't declare such a thing here either. Free will presents rewards and/or consequences. And before you answer don't give me any crap about people on either sides of party lines claiming to be christians. Their actions and their secret worshiping practices are well known enough to destroy their credibility.
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@WW: I'm not confused most of the time, but wholly amused by the, "If we throw enough of a certain brown-substance against the wall, something is sure to stick,"-routine of gathering souls for your eternal happiness behind the pearly gates. I do enjoy these spiritual chats mostly, but have a feeling the rest of the forum it's probably like watching a car wreck over and over again. My apologies to the rest of the forum.
"For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise."
Yeah, I do this for my eternal happiness. :facepalm: Clearly you have no concept of what Christianity is and Christ covenant. We're not saved by preaching, good works, or arguing with atheist, agnostics, Muslims, gays, etc. We do it out of personal conviction to share truth and light that we've gained and to teach a doctrine of forgiveness and redemption through Yahushua Ha'Maschiach (Jesus Christ). We are saved by our faith and are penitence to God. Maybe you don't need that though in your mind. Maybe you think you've never sinned, hurt another person, or have anything to be ashamed of. If that be the case say so and I'll let you go your way in ignorance.
Ever wonder how a small child can lie, steal, or commit some sin they were never taught? That's all of us. We're not born Christians. When you discover the truth about something you want to share it.
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@WW
A simple loaded question here: Would you like to see the U.S. become a christian theocracy?
No. Now let me ask you something. Would you prefer politicians follow their own whim, Islamic principles, Communist manifestos, or Christian morals? Christ himself did not force the Romans to their knees and I wouldn't declare such a thing here either. Free will presents rewards and/or consequences. And before you answer don't give me any crap about people on either sides of party lines claiming to be christians. Their actions and their secret worshiping practices are well known enough to destroy their credibility.
Sounds exactly like a Christian Theocracy to me. But only for the Christians who know the secret handshake that is all very Taliban-esque, complete with it's very own Sharia Law for us non-believers. Or maybe re-education camps too, would WW be in the watchtower guarding over our eternal souls?
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Sounds exactly like a Christian Theocracy to me. But only for the Christians who know the secret handshake that is all very Taliban-esque, complete with it's very own Sharia Law for us non-believers. Or maybe re-education camps too, would WW be in the watchtower guarding over our eternal souls?
Yeah, what happened there? WW's seemingly definitive "no" had a meltdown there at the end. ::)
*places shit-stirring spoon back in its slot* :P
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Guys if you can't contribute something intellectual to this dialogue just bow out. There no need to act childish about it. No one is melting down. And Crudos, no one's going to be picking you off from a watch tower in your imaginary "christian hell." I know, being advised to do good and refrain from immoral behavior must be incredibly scary, but I assure in today's world only the Muslims are beheading people. Though I do have to say, if you're a man with weak convictions Christianity probably isn't for you. After all, we are being beheaded and crucified around the globe at an alarming rate. It'll reach here soon enough.
That aside, neither of you have presented any legitimate argument for the Consititutionality of allowing gays marital status, proven that marriage is a right, substantiated contrary evidence that it is not part of the Marxist agenda, nor have you given any other conflicting view to mine other than your own personal biases. What's the agenda here guys? Bore me to death?
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What's the agenda here guys? Bore me to death?
My agenda is individual freedom... boring enough for ya?
On a side note: I don't believe in government involvement in marriage in the first place.
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Guys if you can't contribute something intellectual to this dialogue just bow out. There no need to act childish about it. No one is melting down. And Crudos, no one's going to be picking you off from a watch tower in your imaginary "christian hell." I know, being advised to do good and refrain from immoral behavior must be incredibly scary, but I assure in today's world only the Muslims are beheading people. Though I do have to say, if you're a man with weak convictions Christianity probably isn't for you. After all, we are being beheaded and crucified around the globe at an alarming rate. It'll reach here soon enough.
That aside, neither of you have presented any legitimate argument for the Consititutionality of allowing gays marital status, proven that marriage is a right, substantiated contrary evidence that it is not part of the Marxist agenda, nor have you given any other conflicting view to mine other than your own personal biases. What's the agenda here guys? Bore me to death?
Now you what to stay on-topic? Make up your mind would be a good place to start. Opps, 30 more days in solitary for me at the Camp Sunshine & Jesus Lollipops for that one I suspect.
The Supreme Court of the land decided gay marriages Constitutional status. Don't like it? Tell it to the judge, as they say. I suspect you would rather have a Holy Council deciding Constitutional challenges, that would make the path to Theocracy much easier?
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Special K- ::) Sometimes you really live up to that "special" part in an unflattering way. That was a most excellent exercise in futility.
Crudos- Just come out and say you hate Christians. It'll save us all a lot of time and pointless banter. And regarding the Supreme Court, well their Obama's whores and there's evidence to suggest he's been manipulating them. Cough, PRISM, Cough Cough. Which I'm sure isn't the first time that has happened in history, but if you feel the SCOTUS is fit and moral enough to decide what's right for this country along with our elected officials and masses of sheep, well then I'm not quite sure what you're doing here. I mean as far left as you are I'm beginning to wonder if you're government shill. Seriously, the level of shit you spew sometimes I've only ever heard from far left progressives. Now, in to your Bible study class :whip: :lmfao:
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C:-)
We have 2 pages soon to be three, of this back and forth. Can we agree to disagree on this subject and move on?
Now please take this great energy and write an article for the DYI, survival, etc boards.
Thank you! C:-)
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Crudos the fact that our current government wants something alone isnt enough for you to think its bad for America? We know the current government is moving purposely AWAY from personal freedom. So why would they legalize gay marriage? Look past two feet infront of your face. The useful idiots think this is great. All it is, is a carrot for the sheep to luer him into the slaughter house. You really want that carrot that badly?
The last 50 years in this country is not traditional America. Any things you dont like about this country is their doing. Hope, change and "forward" is continuing down the wrong path. Every time i hear "change America" all i hear is mindless hate. Why does everyone hate America these days? I realize the last 50 years sucked but thats hope and changes fault. In the beginning progress for change was slow because all anyone knew was traditional America, and they liked it. Now weve raised generations in this hope and changed America. And people think it sucks so they want change. Well they dont know it but what they want is a rewind button. Furthering the progressive(communist) agenda is going to lead to further revoking of petsonal freedoms.
They might throw you a carrot every now and then to keep you moving but that carrot aint worth where your headed.
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Hey guys real quick i want to retract my previous statement about Libertarianism possibly being the anti-christ. It was said jokingly, but jokes are only funny if theres some sort of truth behind them. And with further research i see now Libertarianism was simply misrepresented by other users to me. Libertarianism does not support gay marriage based on the fact that its one group forcing another group to accept them in a public setting. Libertarianism isnt anarchy. It has boundries aswell. It dosent support the freedoms of anyone to do anything they please. Im glad to see this because i relate to Libertarians. Who knows i might even be one. So anyways...
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Hey guys real quick i want to retract my previous statement about Libertarianism possibly being the anti-christ. It was said jokingly, but jokes are only funny if theres some sort of truth behind them. And with further research i see now Libertarianism was simply misrepresented by other users to me. Libertarianism does not support gay marriage based on the fact that its one group forcing another group to accept them in a public setting. Libertarianism isnt anarchy. It has boundries aswell. It dosent support the freedoms of anyone to do anything they please. Im glad to see this because i relate to Libertarians. Who knows i might even be one. So anyways...
:thumbsUp: All good, just watch out for nationalist in libertarian clothing.
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Well let me give you some biblical teachings, just to let you know I am Catholic so I'm supposed to be anti-gay well fuck that, anyway here goes, just to let you know I don't where to look you might have to look it up, anyway the bible says to love your neighbor, never judge a person and the most important thing its GODS job to judge humans not humans.. Just thought that might help you get rid of your ignorance and holier than though bullshit.
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Ignorance... That word sure does get thrown around from the left a lot. Kind of like "close-minded"... Maybe you could be open to the idea that i might be right. Your very open-minded aslong as everyone agrees with you right? Your ideaology is simply another ideaology. You seem to think your ideaology is a blank canvas and mine is a painted one. Well yours is painted too brother. I know you think your stance is this neutral pro everyone stance but its not. Your ideaology is just another sided idea. You are no more open minded then me or anyone. Its just another sided opinion.
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Well let me give you some biblical teachings, just to let you know I am Catholic so I'm supposed to be anti-gay well fuck that, anyway here goes, just to let you know I don't where to look you might have to look it up, anyway the bible says to love your neighbor, never judge a person and the most important thing its GODS job to judge humans not humans.. Just thought that might help you get rid of your ignorance and holier than though bullshit.
I don't want to seem rude Alex, but that's not proper theology. That "tolerance" philosophy comes from pluralism which have been trying to subvert the church for decades. In John 8 we see Christ speaking to the woman whose life he clearly saved and he tells her he is not condemning (aka judging) her, but "go and leave your life of sin." Saying that now is considered intolerance, hateful, and right wing fanaticism. Post modernism doesn't acknowledge the difference between admonishment and judging. They are two very separate things.
Here are some further verses for consideration. http://www.openbible.info/topics/correcting_a_brother (http://www.openbible.info/topics/correcting_a_brother)
I do want to note I don't take a tough stance on non-believers regarding this topic and it's not appropriate to approach them regarding this without preaching the gospel first. That should be understood for obvious reasons. That said, when you say "God is the judge" keep in mind that the sin of omission is a real one. I hope this helps, but if you don't accept this please understand your argument ceases with me and begins with the Word.
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:ceaseFire:
Ok, this thread is getting out of control, and I'm seeing direct personal attacks.
Chill out guys and move on, agree to disagree, otherwise this thread will get locked.
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Well let me give you some biblical teachings, just to let you know I am Catholic so I'm supposed to be anti-gay well fuck that, anyway here goes, just to let you know I don't where to look you might have to look it up, anyway the bible says to love your neighbor, never judge a person and the most important thing its GODS job to judge humans not humans.. Just thought that might help you get rid of your ignorance and holier than though bullshit.
I don't want to seem rude Alex, but that's not proper theology. That "tolerance" philosophy comes from pluralism which have been trying to subvert the church for decades. In John 8 we see Christ speaking to the woman whose life he clearly saved and he tells her he is not condemning (aka judging) her, but "go and leave your life of sin." Saying that now is considered intolerance, hateful, and right wing fanaticism. Post modernism doesn't acknowledge the difference between admonishment and judging. They are two very separate things.
Here are some further verses for consideration. [url]http://www.openbible.info/topics/correcting_a_brother[/url] ([url]http://www.openbible.info/topics/correcting_a_brother[/url])
I do want to note I don't take a tough stance on non-believers regarding this topic and it's not appropriate to approach them regarding this without preaching the gospel first. That should be understood for obvious reasons. That said, when you say "God is the judge" keep in mind that the sin of omission is a real one. I hope this helps, but if you don't accept this please understand your argument ceases with me and begins with the Word.
That's ok White Wolf, yeah people these days don't know the difference and makes it difficult, anyway you're entitled to your opinion and that's fine with me.
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:ceaseFire:
Ok, this thread is getting out of control, and I'm seeing direct personal attacks.
Chill out guys and move on, agree to disagree, otherwise this thread will get locked.
Show me some personal attacks APX. Unless someone deleted a post I've not seen it's just a heated topic and you're all big boys. Or would you rather relive the same drama from SP that kept you guys from growing?
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Maybe you're so worried preaching that you don't read the replies you get.
Quoting Alex1992:
"Just thought that might help you get rid of your ignorance and holier than though bullshit."
Thanks for your advice on how to make the board grow, anyway this thread is closed.