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FB page for the Marine arrested by FBI
« on: August 19, 2012, 04:16:54 PM »
ok so I'm sure most of you know the story that I'm talking about.

long story short, several of the youtube channels that I'm subbed to including Hoss, CaptainBerz, and MattLarson10 have put out videos about this Marine who was arrested by the FBI at his home on Aug. 15th because of "terroristic" comments on his facebook page. I finally got around to looking at this dude's FB and I'm honestly not sure what to think.

regardless how I feel about the things that the guy said, he still doesn't deserve to be arrested. BUT... he does indeed say some stuff that would raise anyone's eyebrow, and it's not difficult to see why he attracted unwanted attention.

you decide. (be sure to scroll down through several pages, alot of the juicy stuff is further down.)

https://www.facebook.com/brandon.raub?sk=wall
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Re: FB page for the Marine arrested by FBI
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2012, 04:27:54 PM »
I don't have a Face book account and thus, I can not log in to see it. Just tell me what it says.

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Re: FB page for the Marine arrested by FBI
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2012, 04:37:04 PM »
Sounds like the only thing stopping him was a ride.

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Re: FB page for the Marine arrested by FBI
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2012, 04:38:25 PM »
I don't have a Face book account and thus, I can not log in to see it. Just tell me what it says.

Nothing really THAT crazy. Just a lot of posts about how he'll start the revolution and posts about the 911 attacks being staged yada yada. Bassically some of us on her fall into nearly the same category. Thats whats crazy... You can see that he clearly fantasized about being some big hero though.
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Re: FB page for the Marine arrested by FBI
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2012, 05:21:42 PM »
I copied his entire FB Wall into Word (a few hours after the story broke)...just in case it mysteriously disappears.  If anyone wants it, I can try to email it to them (1.4MB).  I can't post it here because I'm pretty sure it's way over the character limit.

The facts of this incident have been slightly mis-construed by most people commenting about it.  Here is what I have gathered so far:

He was not arrested for his FB posts. 
He was taken into custody by the FBI for questioning concerning his FB posts.
While he was in custody, he allegedly assaulted an officer and then resisted arrest.
I suspect the charges/arrest have nothing to do with the FB posts....yet.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2012, 05:45:16 PM by special-k »
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Re: FB page for the Marine arrested by FBI
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2012, 06:04:01 PM »
I copied his entire FB Wall into Word (a few hours after the story broke)...just in case it mysteriously disappears.  If anyone wants it, I can try to email it to them (1.4MB).  I can't post it here because I'm pretty sure it's way over the character limit.

The facts of this incident have been slightly mis-construed by most people commenting about it.  Here is what I have gathered so far:

He was not arrested for his FB posts. 
He was taken into custody by the FBI for questioning concerning his FB posts.
While he was in custody, he allegedly assaulted an officer and then resisted arrest.
I suspect the charges/arrest have nothing to do with the FB posts....yet.

we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out. I think anyone who looks at things objectively is able to see both sides of this story so it's difficult to draw hard conclusions one way or the other. on one hand, it's inching VERY close to "thought crime", LE showing up at your house because of political dissidence. on the other hand, he was making some pretty direct insinuations about "starting the revolution" and whatnot. I mean, how does one "start" a revolution? I think we all know the answer to that. so in a way, his comments do kind of fall under the "terrorism" category. (I.E. carrying out acts of violence and/or intimidation against civilians to effect political change... then again, there's nothing that suggests that he would target civvies)

I can certainly see it from the LE perspective. If they ignored this guy, and he really did go out there and fuck shit up, then everyone would be pissed because the writing was on the wall and it was ignored. this is an interesting situation for sure. It's not often that I'm at a loss when it comes to deciding where I stand on an issue.
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Re: FB page for the Marine arrested by FBI
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2012, 11:00:11 PM »
BR is an idiot, from what I gather about the story.  [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

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Re: FB page for the Marine arrested by FBI
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2012, 08:49:23 AM »


He was not arrested for his FB posts. 
He was taken into custody by the FBI for questioning concerning his FB posts.
While he was in custody, he allegedly assaulted an officer and then resisted arrest.
I suspect the charges/arrest have nothing to do with the FB posts....yet.

So arrested and forced into custody arent the same thing? So he went on his own free will down to the station and then decided to fight an officer? In the video hes in handcuffs leaving his house and not exactly smiling and ready for a quick chat down town.

If they can take anyone "into custody" any time they want without a crime being committed were in great shape. Im not saying there was or was not a crime committed but it sounds to me like he was arrested specifically regaurding his FB posts.
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Re: FB page for the Marine arrested by FBI
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2012, 10:29:03 AM »
So arrested and forced into custody arent the same thing?
Yes, a prolonged detention (72 hour max), is part of police procedure.  It can backfire, resulting in a civil suit being brought by the detainee if the department has not dotted all their I's and crossed all their T's.  But I would imagine that the FBI, with their infinite legal resources, would have all their bases covered beforehand, including a wink and a nod from the circuit judge.

BTW, I am a staunch opponent of most police procedure....I'm only trying to interpret this situation as to how the legal system sees it.
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Re: FB page for the Marine arrested by FBI
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2012, 11:06:12 AM »
There are just some things you're not allowed to say today without the full force of LE coming down on your butt.   [url=http://www.freesmileys.or

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Re: FB page for the Marine arrested by FBI
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2012, 08:11:17 PM »
This guy is six kinds of retarded...

I'm going to call this blow by blow, stop me when I say something that doesn't pass the smell test.

They are going to hold him for 72hrs.

IF his whole life is spotless they will charge him on making terroristic threats.

He will walk no problem by taking a plea of insanity due to "trama" sustained while in service of his Country.

The left will use him as another example of how fucked right wing America especially our Veterans are.

His life is ruined.. already.


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Re: FB page for the Marine arrested by FBI
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2012, 09:39:49 PM »
Honestly I think he just had enough. We all have our personal lines drawn in the sand, the government just crossed his a little earlier than ours. Let's not forget that the tree of liberty needs to be watered from time to time.

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Re: FB page for the Marine arrested by FBI
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2012, 09:54:17 PM »
this definitely falls into a big gray area IMHO. I don't care for gray areas. I like things in black and white.

many folks talk alot of shit, and even fantasize about doing this or that (things I won't mention for obvious reasons), but it's a very different story when the shit actually comes to fruition and someone actually carries it out. All the sudden all that hard talk quickly turns into skeptical questioning for all the keyboard commandos.

I only say this in reference to what I posted earlier. I can see both sides of this story. On one hand, I sympathize with this guy's sentiments, almost 100%. But on the other hand, If his blatant and direct threats were ignored and allowed to be carried out, then everyone would be asking "why in the fuck did they disregard the obvious writing on the wall????"

like I said, gray area. I don't like it. I want to support this guy, but there's another side of me that thinks he had it coming.
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Re: FB page for the Marine arrested by FBI
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2012, 10:08:51 PM »
I agree Nola. He was frustrated like many of us but he focused his energy in a bad way perhaps.. But then i think about how people 20 years ago probably said they would never sit quietly if things got as bad as they are today. Who are we to decide if he should or shouldnt say certain things. Although i can say i find his enthusiasm refreshing even if off base.
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Re: FB page for the Marine arrested by FBI
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2012, 10:15:42 PM »
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.. But then i think about how people 20 years ago probably said they would never sit quietly if things got as bad as they are today.

And that is how the government is winning. They are secretly sneaking in and cooking us like well done pork. If there was an outright national ban of guns today, there would be a revolution tommorow. So the government won't do that. But they are slowly conditioning the masses to give up more and more God givven rights until one day, the taking away of guns will be a muffled 'pop' as opposed to a bang.

I don't think it will ever be much of a black and white issue but more of a slow fade of grey.

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Re: FB page for the Marine arrested by FBI
« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2012, 10:56:22 PM »
but grudgie, you're only one of millions who are saying the same thing. don't get me wrong, I agree with you here 100%, but it's one thing to complain, and it's another to actually do something.

"doing something" has become EXTREMELY difficult, whether violent or non-violent. you're basically a martyr. I can't say I blame people for their inaction because things aren't like they were in the late 1700's. That era that so many love to cliche with quotes and references. back then, 1/3 of the population actively supported a violent rebellion to British rule. the active combatants had a massive demographic supporting them. today, we have nothing. If you "do something" then you're basically just committing suicide-by-cop, and the world goes on and forgets about you in less than a week. not very much motivation for people to get out there and force systemic change, is it?

so on one hand, sure, people are fucking fat and lazy, I can't argue with that. but on the other hand, there are deeper societal problems that factor into the fray. always something there to distract from the real issue. always something. whether that "something" is planted intentionally, or whether it's an organic manifestation, either way, distractions are king in our current societal mindset. no real change will ever happen until A: the AC gets turned off, or B: people become keen to the distractions. my bet is on A, and even then I doubt there will be real change because no one will be fighting for an honorable cause, rather, fighting to get the AC turned back on, like the Greeks.

my only point is that there's a million different reasons why things are reaching the point that they are. it's a damn shame, that's for sure. I don't know what else to say.

just keep prepping, stockpiling, training... etc, i guess.
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« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2012, 10:57:37 PM »
I find it interesting that people are still getting so worked up over the gov to the point of taking action. I have now come to the conclusion that the path this nation is on might as well be written in stone and is unavoidable. Blame the excesses, the special interest, corruption, ignorance, it doesn't matter. I know I will be both disappointed and hopeful (maybe even smile) when it does crumble under its own chosen ignorance, lack of any responsibility or accountability. This should also tempered by the fact that we as a nation let this happen to our shame. I intend to do what I can in my small part of this country to save what the constitution embodied even if that is but a few square miles of land, a county, or maybe down the road even the state can benefit if I measure up. As of right now my intention is to be as aware and capable of handling the trouble that will result from the inevitable collapse while not succumbing to nor allowing the mindless violence and power seeking born of lawlessness, opportunity or poverty. At this point I believe prepping physically, mentally and with what resources I can put up or identify for future use is only that which will matter.
The only advice I can offer is don't strike at so strong an enemy that is already dying when just a little time will allow it to finish itself off. Don't draw its dying wrath but be ready to rebuild something better on its grave.

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Re: FB page for the Marine arrested by FBI
« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2012, 11:01:34 PM »

The only advice I can offer is don't strike at so strong an enemy that is already dying when just a little time will allow it to finish itself off. Don't draw its dying wrath but be ready to rebuild something better on its grave.

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Re: FB page for the Marine arrested by FBI
« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2012, 11:22:58 PM »
I find it interesting that people are still getting so worked up over the gov to the point of taking action. I have now come to the conclusion that the path this nation is on might as well be written in stone and is unavoidable. Blame the excesses, the special interest, corruption, ignorance, it doesn't matter. I know I will be both disappointed and hopeful (maybe even smile) when it does crumble under its own chosen ignorance, lack of any responsibility or accountability. This should also tempered by the fact that we as a nation let this happen to our shame. I intend to do what I can in my small part of this country to save what the constitution embodied even if that is but a few square miles of land, a county, or maybe down the road even the state can benefit if I measure up. As of right now my intention is to be as aware and capable of handling the trouble that will result from the inevitable collapse while not succumbing to nor allowing the mindless violence and power seeking born of lawlessness, opportunity or poverty. At this point I believe prepping physically, mentally and with what resources I can put up or identify for future use is only that which will matter.
The only advice I can offer is don't strike at so strong an enemy that is already dying when just a little time will allow it to finish itself off. Don't draw its dying wrath but be ready to rebuild something better on its grave.

I agree totally. Its our only option. But if it dosent fail on its own then were screwed. Essentially our entire plan is to HOPE theirs fails. Economic collapse among other big events dosent mean they arent doing exactly what they want to do.
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« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2012, 12:32:49 AM »

I agree totally. Its our only option. But if it dosent fail on its own then were screwed. Essentially our entire plan is to HOPE theirs fails. Economic collapse among other big events dosent mean they arent doing exactly what they want to do.


Trust me no hope is needed just math, as uncontrolled inflation sets in it will suddenly become clear to the sheep what greenspan slipped up and said out loud even if they chose to be ignorant, I doubt many will even know after the fact thanks to the involved corporate/government controlled media
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I suspect the plan was to remove as much wealth from the public and other countries dollar holdings as possible but it got out of hand with too many financial institutions seeing the scam and cashing in resulting in an uncontrolled looting that has yet to dawn on the general population. Those doing the looting will not and cannot give up until it's over and with the election only deciding which of the two foxes chosen by those looters will be guarding the hen house...


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« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2012, 08:44:45 AM »
Colombo, Im just not ready to bet the farm on the fact that the collapse of the US dollar isnt just part of the plan. They want collapse to occur to be able to rebuild to THEIR liking just as you do.
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« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2012, 09:50:14 AM »
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I suspect the plan was to remove as much wealth from the public and other countries dollar holdings as possible but it got out of hand with too many financial institutions seeing the scam and cashing in resulting in an uncontrolled looting that has yet to dawn on the general population. Those doing the looting will not and cannot give up until it's over and with the election only deciding which of the two foxes chosen by those looters will be guarding the hen house...


Nailed it!

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Re: FB page for the Marine arrested by FBI
« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2012, 11:16:00 AM »
I just find it hard to believe the worlds smartest bussiness men over looked the fact that people like to make money... were talkin about the collapse, theyre talkin about the name of the new bussiness youll be working for and where youll live after the rebuild.. point is they are 10 steps ahead of you. I think were way underestimating them by thinking they lost control of the situation.
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Re: FB page for the Marine arrested by FBI
« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2012, 12:01:40 AM »
I too think that "collapse" is part of the plan.  Google "Cloward-Piven."  Its a fact that Obama has studied it.  I believe we've been closely following this strategy for quite a while now.  You have to crash the current system, before you can take it over completely and mold it into a system that you want.  Remember, to them, capitalism is an evil system, and is the cause and root of all of our financial troubles.  Even though we have not had a capitalist system in this country for going on 100 years.