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Offline Nemo

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Are We Expanding or Is New CatchingUp?
« on: January 27, 2020, 10:12:21 AM »
Seems prepping idea is expanding some.  Or is Reuters just trying to put a dig into the Trump campaign?

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http://news.trust.org/item/20200127092603-ks7hg

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Homesteaders, catastrophists run for the hills to flee U.S. uncertainty

by Carey L. Biron | @clbtea | Thomson Reuters Foundation
Monday, 27 January 2020 10:00 GMT

Survivalists who fear a looming, urban catastrophe are swapping city life for a fresh start off grid and far from civilisation
By Carey. L. Biron

WASHINGTON, Jan 27 (Thomson Reuters Foundation) - Cheap housing, deep unease and intense resilience - all forces that are driving a clutch of Americans to swap city life for a fresh start off grid and far from civilisation.

Some are survivalists, among them high fliers who fear a looming, urban catastrophe and the mayhem that might follow.

Others want a greener, gentler life untainted by the malign forces of capitalism and uncertainty of mainstream politics.

Whichever camp, realtors say the new dropouts are not "crackpots" and often include affluent professionals whose run for the hills has boosted rural land values and started to change their property market.

"I've had hedge-fund managers and billionaires that have made purchases, and they all have concerns about the direction of the economy and social stability," said John E. Haynes, president of Retreat Realty in North Carolina.

"We're on that upward trend," he said. "Inventory of that land on the market is tighter."

Haynes has worked in real estate for decades.

About four years ago, he rebranded his company to pitch property to a new and growing breed of buyer - those motivated by "concerns about social stability".

He had a record year in 2019, and was busy in the run-up to the 2016 election, when Donald Trump came to power.

"I'm sensing that again," he said. "People get uncertain, and they start making decisions on the political environment and what they anticipate.

"So I think 2020 will be a good year for my business."

TIME TO RUN

Bruce — who values his privacy so would not let his full name be used — is buying 20 acres in remote North Carolina, where trees will become fuel and water springs from the land.

He has lived most of his life in cities, New York included.

But now the plan is to escape the urban jungle - a place of traffic, noise, poverty, crime and much else Bruce dislikes.

"It reached the point where we were tired of being on the defensive," Bruce, in his mid-50s, said of city life and the hazardous technical setup on which it relies.

"Amazon can deliver groceries in two hours, but will the grocery store have food three days after a large disaster?" he told the Thomson Reuters Foundation, noting the cataclysmic potential of a major disruption in electrical generation.

"Our hope is nothing like this happens," he said.

"But should it, we'll be better prepared to survive in a rural setting, where more food is grown locally, where we have land on which to raise food or livestock, or hunt."

ESCAPE TYRANNY

Often called survivalists or "preppers", many escapees twin an expectation of impending doom - or outright social collapse - with a deep disbelief in the government's ability to cope.

Buying land — or "bugout" property, derived from military slang for a retreat — is a priority, with real estate networks compiling national lists of "prepper lands".

Most survivalist land purchases are in the mountains of the U.S. northwest, primarily Idaho, Montana and Wyoming.

In 2011, a blogger and former U.S. Army intelligence officer named James Wesley, Rawles - he includes the comma in his name - wrote a widely circulated post urging "freedom-loving Christians" to move to the region as a safe haven.

He dubbed the area the American Redoubt and urged followers to "buy land that will maximise your self-sufficiency."

It is unclear how many heeded his call, but the Economist magazine estimated they numbered in the "thousands of families".

Idaho in particular recorded a big influx.

The state had one of the top U.S. growth rates in 2015-16, driven in part by escapees from California and neighbouring Washington state, according to Boise State assistant professor Jeffrey Lyons.

Disaffected Californians make up a substantial number of clients for Black Rifle Real Estate, which says online that it helps people "Flee the City to the freedom and safety of Rural America and the famed American Redoubt."

Broker Todd Savage said his business is at an all-time high, driven by frustration with how many U.S. cities are governed.

"Most of our clients are now looking to sell their postage-stamp size properties … and make what we call a 'Strategic Relocation' to a free state," Savage said in an email.

Driven by new demand, the company is expanding outside of the so-called Redoubt — to Arizona, which Savage said enjoys lower taxes and far looser gun controls than liberal California.

"Arizona is the new Idaho for many seeking relief from the tyranny in California," he said.

EMBRACE LAND

Conservatives are not alone in the new land rush.

Haynes said his clients in North Carolina are evenly split between survivalists and "homesteaders" — young, liberal, less affluent families seeking peace, quiet and a sustainable life.

"When I started out in 1973, the big thing then was the 'back to the land' movement," said Neil Shelton with the Ozark Land Company, a developer active in Missouri and Arkansas.

What he is seeing now is a "new iteration" of that movement, he said, and one driven by innovation: the pre-built 'tiny home', typically 400-600 square feet.

Small structures have made home ownership more affordable, he said, for some accelerating the new mood of escapism.

"This tiny-house movement is the biggest thing I've seen since" the 1970s, Shelton said.

Kim Moore, 63, said she and her husband had bought nearly 60 acres in North Carolina after enjoying a holiday there.

"I'm not a survivalist, but as much as possible, I'd like to live on the land," she said.

Moore and her husband plan to build a series of small homes and create a "co-housing" community of family, friends and others with similar values.

"I want it to be sustainable, something that isn't going to ruin the land, and something that's big enough that all of my friends can join in," she said.

"It's something that feeds my soul."

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Re: Are We Expanding or Is New CatchingUp?
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2020, 09:33:31 PM »
 Dream on! Most of them will either move back to a city or closer to one. When grandma starts missing the grandchildren or when a parent is very sick what will they do. Or when loneliness overcomes one of them.
 I'm only two hours from my grandchildren and it is still hard to get to see them, any further and it would be impossible.
 It takes a certain type of person to bug out.
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Re: Are We Expanding or Is New CatchingUp?
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2020, 10:11:42 PM »
Ha.... I'm only 20 miles from the nearest City and that's way too close for me. I have no intention to go completely off the grid but a gas powered generator and some solar panels and batteries for emergencies is my agenda. Since I am the grandparents, I don't have to worry about taking care of them. If the grandkids and great grandkids want to see us, they know where we live. I grew up on a farm and moved to the city. Late in my career I moved back to the good life in the country where hearing gunshots is not a sign of violence but just a sign of somebody's target practice. While Wyo, Mont, and Idaho might be the place that a lot of people are going, it sure isn't for me. When the super volcano goes off, I don't want to be within 1000 miles of it. Those bugout locations will soon become hell holes. I'm not much of a believer in PLAN B. If PLAN A doesn't work, it wasn't a good plan to start with. PLAN B is subordinate to PLAN A and will really be a crappy plan. My plan is to have plenty of supplies, lock and load, If I get killed, I don't need PLAN B.

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Re: Are We Expanding or Is New CatchingUp?
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2020, 11:18:44 PM »
Sounds like the exodus from Cali is in full swing.
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Re: Are We Expanding or Is New CatchingUp?
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2020, 10:22:36 AM »
Interesting article Nemo.

I NEVER have the date or timeline right however, I can see that the SHITF is coming. So do a lot of other folks. Now that they are retired and can cash in on selling their home, they are doing what their natural instinct is telling 'em.
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