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Offline Kentactic

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California gun laws, what to do?
« on: July 04, 2017, 02:47:40 PM »
So as you may have heard, CA has signed some interesting gun bills into law recently. Ammo registration, magazine bans and revisions to an existing "assault weapons" ban to name a few.

I thought I'd crowd source for ideas on how to combat this. Please keep in mind that I don't find fleeing to a safer place to be a constructive idea whatsoever. Anyone got any ideas? Write a letter to Santa perhaps?

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Re: California gun laws, what to do?
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2017, 03:07:57 PM »
 File suit that your constitutional liberties have been violated. Hell if minorities can do it why can't you.
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Re: California gun laws, what to do?
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2017, 03:53:00 PM »
File suit that your constitutional liberties have been violated. Hell if minorities can do it why can't you.
I'm assuming the NRA and/or Calguns has already done this and they have more funding than myself. I could be wrong though.

Thanks for the response either way.
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Re: California gun laws, what to do?
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2017, 09:36:16 PM »
They have.  The state held from becoming effective something that affects magazines and such.  Not sure how.  I did not have long to get the idea of it before I had to close the laptop.

As far as  Calguns and/or the NRA and/or Second Amendment Foundation, are you a member?  If not, why the hail not?????  You dayum sure need to join.  There is strength and numbers and thats why the NRA is the 800 pound gorilla on the block.  5 Million dues paying members.  Thats why much of the govt listens.  AND pays attention.

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Re: California gun laws, what to do?
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2017, 09:43:52 PM »
They have.  The state held from becoming effective something that affects magazines and such.  Not sure how.  I did not have long to get the idea of it before I had to close the laptop.

As far as  Calguns and/or the NRA and/or Second Amendment Foundation, are you a member?  If not, why the hail not?????  You dayum sure need to join.  There is strength and numbers and thats why the NRA is the 800 pound gorilla on the block.  5 Million dues paying members.  Thats why much of the govt listens.  AND pays attention.

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I'm not a member of the NRA because I look for a return from my service providers rather than social status from its membership. Simple as that.

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Re: California gun laws, what to do?
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2017, 09:50:55 PM »
OK, Second Amendment Foundation.  Try them.

As far as investment return from the NRA, I kinda like the idea of an 800 pound gorilla fighting against the idea of limiting the 2A.  Besides they are the driving factor in the general "constitutional carry" idea that has started and passed the state legislature in 12 or 13 states.

But tell you what, join one of them for a year.  Scan a copy of your membership card and I will reimburse you that membership fee.  i think the info they share on what they do will convince you to keep your membership going.

NRA or 2A Foundation, your pick.

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Re: California gun laws, what to do?
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2017, 10:11:47 PM »
OK, Second Amendment Foundation.  Try them.

As far as investment return from the NRA, I kinda like the idea of an 800 pound gorilla fighting against the idea of limiting the 2A.  Besides they are the driving factor in the general "constitutional carry" idea that has started and passed the state legislature in 12 or 13 states.

But tell you what, join one of them for a year.  Scan a copy of your membership card and I will reimburse you that membership fee.  i think the info they share on what they do will convince you to keep your membership going.

NRA or 2A Foundation, your pick.

Nemo
The old, we have to pass the bill so we can find out what's in it routine? I appreciate the offer. Show me a track record of services rendered and I'll pay for my own membership. I'll probably throw the card away but I'll give them my money to keep them working for me.

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Re: California gun laws, what to do?
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2017, 04:20:31 AM »
... Take up fencing? ... Move? ...
I don't know - you live in an area where people are more afraid of each other than the gvt.
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Re: California gun laws, what to do?
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2017, 06:54:40 AM »
... Take up fencing? ... Move? ...
I don't know - you live in an area where people are more afraid of each other than the gvt.
Technically I live in an area where nobody even locks their front doors but that isn't the norm for the whole state obviously. I'm definitely not moving again. At least not out of state.
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Re: California gun laws, what to do?
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2017, 07:23:15 AM »
The old, we have to pass the bill so we can find out what's in it routine? I appreciate the offer. Show me a track record of services rendered and I'll pay for my own membership. I'll probably throw the card away but I'll give them my money to keep them working for me.

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The NRA?

5 Million adult members.  Vast majority are single issue voters.  hiLIARy won general election by 3 million. PA was a key (Keystone) in it.  Alot of NRA members there.  Same with Michigan.  And Florida.  SCOTUS and  McDonald or Heller.  For starters.

As far as passing the bill to see whats it in, pass the bill at no cost to you.  No better deal anywhere.

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Re: California gun laws, what to do?
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2017, 07:49:08 AM »
The US District Court of Lower CA., just made a ruling temporarily overturning the new firearm magazine law that was supposed to go into affect on July 1, 2017.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=157&sid=44838369&title=judge-blocks-californias-high-capacity-magazine-ban

Wrong right or indifferent Ken, you have to fight 2A restrictions in the courts, vote the bum's out (Will not happen in CA.), or put on your walking shoes which you did once before.

On another note: Good to hear you are still out there  :thumbsUp:
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Re: California gun laws, what to do?
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2017, 12:20:40 PM »


The US District Court of Lower CA., just made a ruling temporarily overturning the new firearm magazine law that was supposed to go into affect on July 1, 2017.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=157&sid=44838369&title=judge-blocks-californias-high-capacity-magazine-ban

Wrong right or indifferent Ken, you have to fight 2A restrictions in the courts, vote the bum's out (Will not happen in CA.), or put on your walking shoes which you did once before.

On another note: Good to hear you are still out there 




Thanks for the article link. Like you said, voting and court battles are pointless. I'm not moving any time soon though. I like everything about CA except a handful of laws that places like San Diego, San Francisco and Sacramento push through.

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Re: California gun laws, what to do?
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2017, 07:40:46 AM »
While the legal fights over the different passed laws is going on I can offer a small suggestion.

Explore and capitalise on the things that are still legal.

That is what I have had to do living in the UK. While I may not like the fact that firearms are pretty much not going to be an option. I have concentrated on capitalising on what is available.

In some cases there are sense benefits to be had. For the price of a good AR. A family can procure, maintain and supply a pretty good archery setup.

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Re: California gun laws, what to do?
« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2017, 11:32:41 AM »
I was honestly hoping to hear some of those Patriotic ideas. Did your forefathers move to Mexico when the laws got tyrannical? Everyone says it won't happen in their state but ain't nobody got any action taking in them so it absolutely will happen in every state. Imagine your state is what is happening in CA. What the fuck are you going to do? Move? Buy a crossbow?...

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Re: California gun laws, what to do?
« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2017, 12:35:17 PM »
"The 2nd ammendment is a last resort. It ensures that you can protect yourself as you travel out of the tyrannical state safely."

-George Washington

(Sarcasm)

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Re: California gun laws, what to do?
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2017, 01:15:35 PM »
Keep your shit locked and loaded. Buy mags and ammo when you train in Arizona or Nevada. Start hand loading. Keep a bug out bag stocked and ready along w a get away plan. Build your connections now. Shit will hit the fan.

If not in the country, at least in California. They are going to socialize healthcare which is a major part of California's economy. Study other groups in history that started successful rebellions to various degrees.
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Re: California gun laws, what to do?
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2017, 04:32:55 PM »
Keep your shit locked and loaded. Buy mags and ammo when you train in Arizona or Nevada. Start hand loading. Keep a bug out bag stocked and ready along w a get away plan. Build your connections now. Shit will hit the fan.

If not in the country, at least in California. They are going to socialize healthcare which is a major part of California's economy. Study other groups in history that started successful rebellions to various degrees.
If the shit hits the fan, isn't my topic irrelevant? I am trying to think of solutions to this problem while society is intact.

Years ago I accepted the fact that there's a great chance that America will continue on in a boring oppressive way for the remainder of my life. I'm not afraid to die and so I've pretty much lost interest in such extensive preparations for a potential outcome. The worst thing that can happen is we die. You've got kids? Okay, that's different for some. Nobody will make it to the finish line though. Why spend our lives worried about dying a little bit earlier? The future is never ours. We only have this present moment.

But anyways, I'm still interested in any possible solutions to oppressive laws.
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Re: California gun laws, what to do?
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2017, 07:32:41 PM »
 Your looking for an answer with the sun in your right eye and your left eye closed. You don't want to move that's OK so the only answer is to get involved in politics. Either run for state office or work for someone who believes as you do. If you can't or won't do that then donate heavily or  become a bundler. This may sound hokey but that's all you got.   
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Re: California gun laws, what to do?
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2017, 08:07:08 PM »
Interesting Everytown summary of so horrid and murderous Stand Your Ground laws.

A bit long but its always best to know the plans of the opposition.

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https://everytownresearch.org/reports/shoot-first/
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Re: California gun laws, what to do?
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2017, 10:58:43 PM »
Your looking for an answer with the sun in your right eye and your left eye closed. You don't want to move that's OK so the only answer is to get involved in politics. Either run for state office or work for someone who believes as you do. If you can't or won't do that then donate heavily or  become a bundler. This may sound hokey but that's all you got.   
Can you be more specific about my lack of vision?

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Re: California gun laws, what to do?
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2017, 07:25:29 AM »
I have several FB friends who were and continue to be devastated that Mr. Trump won the Presidential election. They have lived on the hope he will be impeached since January 20th to only finally figure out - It ain't going to happen.

During these 6Plus months I kept telling them that they need to turn their Trump hatred towards something more positive. My suggestion was and still is "local politics".

After my multi-month mantra they get it!

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Re: California gun laws, what to do?
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2017, 07:41:10 AM »
Your looking for an answer with the sun in your right eye and your left eye closed. You don't want to move that's OK so the only answer is to get involved in politics. Either run for state office or work for someone who believes as you do. If you can't or won't do that then donate heavily or  become a bundler. This may sound hokey but that's all you got.   
Can you be more specific about my lack of vision?

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You come off as totally frustrated and I can understand that having lived 22yrs in NY city. You feel your between a rock and a hard place and you are. The only way to change the situation is to get involved in politics either personally or financially. I was not trying to insult you only to give you my point of view. Sorry if you took it that way.
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Re: California gun laws, what to do?
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2017, 08:05:44 AM »
Your looking for an answer with the sun in your right eye and your left eye closed. You don't want to move that's OK so the only answer is to get involved in politics. Either run for state office or work for someone who believes as you do. If you can't or won't do that then donate heavily or  become a bundler. This may sound hokey but that's all you got.   
Can you be more specific about my lack of vision?

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You come off as totally frustrated and I can understand that having lived 22yrs in NY city. You feel your between a rock and a hard place and you are. The only way to change the situation is to get involved in politics either personally or financially. I was not trying to insult you only to give you my point of view. Sorry if you took it that way.
I wasn't insulted in the least sir and I'm not really frustrated either to be honest. I was just curious if your statement had meaning to you in relation to my situation or if it's fun to say.

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« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2017, 08:09:01 AM »
 It's never fun to insult someone. Not being a word smith sometimes my intent doesn't come out right.
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Re: California gun laws, what to do?
« Reply #24 on: July 09, 2017, 07:25:15 AM »
It's never fun to insult someone. Not being a word smith sometimes my intent doesn't come out right.
Again, I didn't feel insulted. I'm just trying to understand how I might be lacking vision(perception?).
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