Unchained Preppers
Off Topic/ B.S. => General Off Topic => Topic started by: Grudgie on December 23, 2012, 12:30:30 AM
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So seeing the ammo prices lateley has got me thinking. A guy on AR15.com just sold 1000 rounds of Tulla .223 for $565. I bought all of mine at Walmart for $225/1000. Xm855 is also seeming to sell for around $700/1000 of which I also have in bulk. I'm thinking about selling all of my xm855 and loading out on reloading componets because xm855 sucks at terminal ballistics and people seem to pay a premium for it. And also because reloading componets seem to be the least effected price wise.
What are your thoughts on someone selling all of their ammo and waiting until the gun scare dies down and prices come back down?
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fuckin ghey
what happens when ammo prices dont ever go back down?
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I am going to second Mountain's query, what happens if ammo prices never come down?
That said you should be reloading.
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I'm going have to agree with mountain and Thatguy, what if prices don't go down ofcourse the future can't be seen and our economy is very unpredicatable.
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Prices came down somewhat after the first Obama scare. The markets naturally strive for equilibrium so supply will eventually meet demand. I just bought some projectiles at a great price. So I would rather have 1000 quality hand loaded bullets for $300 over 1000 xm855s which are sellin for twice that.
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Do what you're gonna do brother but keep in mind that it takes time to make rounds.. Time you might not have.
I've been thinking about this 'shortage' and while I don't know for a fact that anyone is ramping up production it would make sense to try to capitalize on this latest run. So what is going to happen if everyone starts running 3 shifts only to miss the boat?
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Mmmm Grudgie interesting question.
It's not unlike selling & buying precious metals. Now is a good time to sell PM's if you are into that kind of thing. A good friend just told me that the government is shortly going to make commodity houses have more cash on hand. The way they do that is to sell stuff that's sitting in their safe, e.g. PM's. The last time this happened was in the fall of 2011.
I am to lazy to look it up but I think gold was at $1,700 and ounce on Sept 1 and by Jan 1 it was back down to $1,200- With that said, silver is a little more stable than gold.
I do understand the concern that many have already expressed...You know..."A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" and all that- But off-loading ammo (Poor quality) may not be a bad idea IF you are disciplined enough to spend the money on reloading components.
Earlier today i dropped a email to my lawyer friend to see what he said and his advise was, "NO WAY JOSE!" If you sold it to the wrong person, in this climate "they" will come after you. Now my lawyer is a weeny and always advises me against what I want to do. :))
Any kind of firearm accessories like ammo that you sell too; you better know the person and their intent. That is why some ammo dealers require a copy of your DL and signing an affidavit stating what you are going to use the ammo for. Even with all of that they still have insurance of some kind. Remember, even if the ammo was to be used legitimately, if a round blew up which caused injury to your buyer; some smart lawyer will come after you. You would probably win but your lawyer would make lots of money defending you.
Interesting question and discussion though...
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It's not unlike selling & buying precious metals. Now is a good time to sell PM's if you are into that kind of thing. A good friend just told me that the government is shortly going to make commodity houses have more cash on hand. The way they do that is to sell stuff that's sitting in their safe, e.g. PM's. The last time this happened was in the fall of 2011.
The fiscal cliff could turn things around for PMs though. I'm debating on buying now or waiting.
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Im not big on reloading but if thats what you want to do then go for it. Lately ive been of the trimmed realist mindset. With my shotgun, 1 case of OO buck is probably more man then ill ever be. Why stock up for the bad guys? Im training in a more direct mindset. For that ONE fight i hope im never in. You could take all that ammo money and take some classes. I think that would really be a good use of ammo money. Sell some to pay for the classes and shoot some in the classes.
Watching doomsday preppers is a great example of what not to do. Buy lots of guns and ammo and have little to no firearms skills. 99% of all gun owners are this way. Thats how i know we'd never fight back if the government turned on us. I cant think of a word to do justice to the ignorance of most gun owners.
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Im not big on reloading but if thats what you want to do then go for it. Lately ive been of the trimmed realist mindset. With my shotgun, 1 case of OO buck is probably more man then ill ever be. Why stock up for the bad guys? Im training in a more direct mindset. For that ONE fight i hope im never in. You could take all that ammo money and take some classes. I think that would really be a good use of ammo money. Sell some to pay for the classes and shoot some in the classes.
Watching doomsday preppers is a great example of what not to do. Buy lots of guns and ammo and have little to no firearms skills. 99% of all gun owners are this way. Thats how i know we'd never fight back if the government turned on us. I cant think of a word to do justice to the ignorance of most gun owners.
Well said buddy, with the right training a guy with a 12g and a case of buck can become a devastating adversary on the otherhand we were watching the neighbor boys trapshooting this morning and [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
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Im not big on reloading but if thats what you want to do then go for it. Lately ive been of the trimmed realist mindset. With my shotgun, 1 case of OO buck is probably more man then ill ever be. Why stock up for the bad guys? Im training in a more direct mindset. For that ONE fight i hope im never in. You could take all that ammo money and take some classes. I think that would really be a good use of ammo money. Sell some to pay for the classes and shoot some in the classes.
Watching doomsday preppers is a great example of what not to do. Buy lots of guns and ammo and have little to no firearms skills. 99% of all gun owners are this way. Thats how i know we'd never fight back if the government turned on us. I cant think of a word to do justice to the ignorance of most gun owners.
i reload because i can train more that way,
i shoot the fuck out of my handgun and rifle, only way i can afford to do that is because i reload
i do have a gun buying problem though
i got a shit load of guns and i only shoot 3 of em [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
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The Reloading Song (I Don't Reload) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk0wGmVvI2Y#ws)
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That was awesome Ken...Thanks [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
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holy sheepshit batman! wtf are you thinking dude? i got into my reloading equipment new at retail level for around $100. maybe another couple hundred on top of that for upgrades and accessories but none of that extra shit is really essential for the basics. absolutely NO NEED to get rid of your stash to pay for a reloading kit, just save up a hundred bucks or so. also, don't get wrapped up in "terminal ballistics"... and the like... "too bad you only shot me in the head with m855... BWAAHAHAHAHA!!! now I kill you!".... silly right?
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What is wrong with getting wraped up in terminal ballistics? I am using Hornady 75 grain BTHP that is far more effective and much cheaper than the XM855 which is designed to penetrate a steel helmet at 300 yards.
.223 is a small bullet and you have to be carefull to maximise its full potential.
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bullet selection really only matters when you put the bullet where it doesn't go......
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Which will happen often due to stress/adrenaline/lack of training/human error/etc. Not to mention if your .223 doesn't yaw it has a good chance of doing very little even if you do what your supposed to. Knowing the mechanics of how your rifle kills and its capabilities is always a good thing.
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what i'm saying is don't look for a new bullet to make you better, train harder to make you better
amateurs train till they get it right
professionals train till they cannot get it wrong
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I still don't think being a professional is an excuse to use bullets with terrible terminal performance.
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well the professionals i know tell me the same thing, caliber and bullet selection don't mean a whole hell of a lot in combat, the thing that really matters is putting the bullet where it needs to go
don't waste your money on ninja bullets, spend that extra money training on your weapon
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[URL=http://www.smileyvault.co good to go. I agree with that.
I will just say that my 75 grain bthp reloads are cheaper than most brass cased shelf ammo out there.
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Reloading very often takes away from your training. Especially in tactical long range. Your better off spending your time practicing with off the shelf match ammo then constantly trying to perfect a load. If it is 1 moa or better you have the accuracy to set the long range world record if you can call the wind right.
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reloading takes away from reliability, that is something that cannot be debated
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reloading takes away from reliability, that is something that cannot be debated
And off the shelf ammo is always reliable? How bout everyone agree to disagree? lol
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Do what you gotta do bro.... but if I hear " toss me a mag
" ill shoot you myself. ;D
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I have found that reloading has a negative effect on my shooting across the board.
Cut and dry, I loath the sight of dirty brass and want to avoid it because my special brand of cheapness won't allow me to 'just buy ammo' so shooting means countless hours of reloading to me...