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Title: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: crudos on February 03, 2013, 12:13:30 AM
http://soldiersystems.net/2013/02/03/american-sniper-author-chris-kyle-murdered/ (http://soldiersystems.net/2013/02/03/american-sniper-author-chris-kyle-murdered/)

In Peace and condolences to his family and friends.  :(
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: APX808 on February 03, 2013, 04:15:01 AM
Fuck man, when I saw this on FB I couldn't believe it, RIP.
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: RS762 on February 03, 2013, 09:48:11 AM
Wait, some marine just murdered him in texas? why?

http://www.punditpress.com/2013/02/eddie-routh-information.html (http://www.punditpress.com/2013/02/eddie-routh-information.html)
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The motive of the shooting remained unclear, Bryant said. "Not a clue; absolutely no idea."


How bizarre.
Isn't this the guy who made up the story about punching Jesse Ventura to sell books?
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: thatGuy on February 03, 2013, 01:00:22 PM
So little information.
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: hjmoosejaw on February 03, 2013, 02:17:44 PM
So little information.

That's what I thought. Not to wear a tin foil hat, but I gotta admit, when I first saw the post, my immediate thought was...........

Weird, it's like that nowadays. There seems to have been a lot of SEAL deaths under "somebody's" watch. Just saying.
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: JohnyMac on February 03, 2013, 03:01:17 PM
This will go unreported in the news.  [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: CrystalHunter1989 on February 03, 2013, 04:10:57 PM
Under no circumstances should anyone read the comments from CNN. They are not giving him any respect.
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: thatGuy on February 03, 2013, 04:19:20 PM
I'm with you HJ, after reading the thread at LightFighter.net I've gathered that this dude was a great guy and had "Leadership Potential" written all over him.

Stand by while I adjust my tinfoil tricorn, first Noveski and now Kyle... suspicious.
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: 1000meterstare on February 03, 2013, 06:23:42 PM
What we all should learn is to keep up situational awareness; even at the range.  I'm guilty too.  Since the range is relaxing for me I tend to let my guard down.  Pay attention to your surroundings wherever you go. :o
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: hjmoosejaw on February 03, 2013, 06:53:47 PM
It's just weird. I'll be anxious to hear the details, if there are any reported. When you're a bad guy with a gun, they find out all kinds of details. With a bad guy, they would have already been able to tell us the guys stepsister's second cousin's brother-in-law's wife's maiden name. When it involves a decorated military good guy, you get, "I don't know, I think it was some guy that had PTSD or something, shot him, pass the potatoes.




P.S. This is the most in- depth report I've seen so far.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/03/navy-seal-chris-kyle-fatally-shot-at-texas-shooting-range-report-says/ (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/03/navy-seal-chris-kyle-fatally-shot-at-texas-shooting-range-report-says/)
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: APX808 on February 03, 2013, 09:40:44 PM
Call me tin fold hat, but there is some weird shit happening lately, I think the alphabet agencies are doing a lot of dirty work on US soil in regards to abolish the 2nd A.
The other day I saw a video showing a Sandy Hook's gunned down child parent laughing and then changing his breath to take the character in a press conference, that's pure bullshit man, I see dark times coming.

PS: Chris Kyle's death was published in Argentinian media too, not many details though, just that he killed 150 ragheads and was found shot in a range.

Actors At Sandy Hook: Parent LAUGHING At Press Interview - Odd Behavior!. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqEt6LgsuwY#ws)

(http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/4701/12743671.jpg)

Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: Outonowhere on February 04, 2013, 01:06:46 AM
Don't forget (Adjusts tin foil) that he was also used to discredit Jesse Ventura after all of the light he has shone on whats happening through his show.  You could possibly say that he was a loose end... and they don't like loose ends.

Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: Reaver on February 04, 2013, 01:58:05 AM
I call bullshit.

Would you want the current leader in sniper kills and one of the most pro patriot badass's alive to instruct other patriots? Not to mention now they can say " oh, see anyone who deployed has ptsd and was able to take out the top sniper and a navy seal "

Thus disarming other trained individuals that could and most likely would fight the good fight.

Angry!!!
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: JohnyMac on February 04, 2013, 09:10:02 AM
If you haven't read Enemies Foreign and Domestic by Mat Bracken - Read it! Talk about alphabet soup agency's and black ops...
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: Grudgie on February 04, 2013, 10:26:08 AM
30000 Americans die every year from guns. Odds are some of them will happen to people we know. PTSD is serious. Guns are deadly. Government is corrupt. Rights are sacred.
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: crudos on February 04, 2013, 04:34:34 PM
And Ron Paul can fuck right the hell off at this point....

http://soldiersystems.net/2013/02/04/ron-paul-calls-it-like-he-sees-it/ (http://soldiersystems.net/2013/02/04/ron-paul-calls-it-like-he-sees-it/)

?Chris Kyle?s death seems to confirm that ?he who lives by the sword dies by the sword.? Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn?t make sense.?

RP, you sold out your supporters at the GOP Convention for future favors for your wackjob son. And now your a PTSD expert? Hell, now goeth!
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: APX808 on February 04, 2013, 05:06:43 PM
And Ron Paul can fuck right the hell off at this point....

[url]http://soldiersystems.net/2013/02/04/ron-paul-calls-it-like-he-sees-it/[/url] ([url]http://soldiersystems.net/2013/02/04/ron-paul-calls-it-like-he-sees-it/[/url])

?Chris Kyle?s death seems to confirm that ?he who lives by the sword dies by the sword.? Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn?t make sense.?

RP, you sold out your supporters at the GOP Convention for future favors for your wackjob son. And now your a PTSD expert? Hell, now goeth!


Politicians will always be politicians... a necessary evil. No matter their party, they're all cut from the same cloth.
He is a fucking asshole for daring to question Kyle's work on PTSD patients.
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: Reaver on February 05, 2013, 06:45:42 AM
I responded to that twitter post myself. Shame on him.
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: JohnyMac on February 05, 2013, 09:29:27 AM
Why would Ron Paul tweet that message. It does not make any sense. I hope he response to the justified criticism.

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt" Abraham Lincoln

Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: Alex1992 on February 05, 2013, 10:55:30 AM
OK this is really freaking me out here, do you guys think that somebody put a contract on their life, I don't believe in coincidinces and the way they died is making me suspicious I don't know.
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: thatGuy on February 05, 2013, 11:19:15 AM
Alex, our government is engaging in cold blooded murder everyday. They murder the innocent and the guilty alike, foreign and domestic, men women and children it makes no difference.
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: hjmoosejaw on February 05, 2013, 11:43:12 AM
OK this is really freaking me out here, do you guys think that somebody put a contract on their life, I don't believe in coincidinces and the way they died is making me suspicious I don't know.

Things done on a national or global level are HUGE, compared to things done by everyday people going through their everyday life. It is so huge and involves things on a massive scale, that it is sometimes hard for it to make sense for the average person. Only because our lives are simpler and not as involved as global affairs. We are not geared to think about things that complex. Not that we can't, we just don't have a need to usually. That's why I said, when the Sandy Hook massacre happened, it wouldn't surprise me if this was done to bring a lot of attention to the gun subject. That is why most people think "Fast and Furious" was done. But that backfired on them when Brian Terry was killed. It brought negative attention to them, instead of to the guns. IMO, they needed something else. As horrific as it sounds, remember, they think on a huge scale, cause and affect type way. And again, while the death of all of those children are sad, beyond belief, thinking in numbers, it's the equivalent of a bus going off the road during a winter storm and killing many. These kinds of things happen all the time. The difference is, while both scenarios have the same number of deaths, the same amount of grieving, heart broke families, and the country sending prayers to all concerned, one scenario breaks hearts, with time moving on, and the other scenario beaks hearts AND will have a huge affect on gun laws, money, global interaction, government power, etc. You have to ask yourself, if you think something like a mass shooting here and there, would be worth the sacrifice to some people, to achieve a huge political outcome to further an agenda. Just my opinion. 

Remember, furthering an agenda, would affect about 312,000,000 people nationally. If affect is done globally, then 6 Billion people would be affected.   
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: thatGirl on February 05, 2013, 12:19:18 PM
This could all be a coincidence, this could be gobment conspiracy, although I don't see how any of this would work in their favor other than scare tactics.  This could also be the work of an interested party (foreign or domestic) nudging us toward our own Arab Spring, more than likely not for our own good, but to expose our Achillies' heel as it were-- a nation divided, all that's left is to conquer.   

Just be aware of your surroundings as 1000meterstare suggested, and don't let the anger, fear, paranoia, consume you, but instead, keep building yourselves up to rise above the smoke and mirrors.

My suggestion, stand outside for a few minutes today and look at the world around you.  There is a much larger set of rules guiding us than our own, our bullshit laws don't apply to the universe, so don't let them keep you from enjoying the view.  Our fallen brothers and sisters no longer have that option, which makes it that much more important for us to enjoy it, not take it for granted.

RIP Chris Kyle, your valiance will not be overlooked nor forgotten.  Our thoughts and prayers are with the family.
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: Alex1992 on February 05, 2013, 12:23:38 PM
I'm not saying our government is doing this this could be terrorists who put a hit on him or this could be that somebody who HATES these guys so bad they want them dead, and I'll say it again our government is not doing this had to be somebody else.
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: hjmoosejaw on February 05, 2013, 12:34:25 PM
I'm not saying our government is doing this this could be terrorists who put a hit on him or this could be that somebody who HATES these guys so bad they want them dead, and I'll say it again our government is not doing this had to be somebody else.

That's true. It may have been just a guy suffering from PTSD. If you were in charge, and you were informed that a jetliner full of passengers was heading to the Superbowl to crash into the stadium, would you give the order to shoot it down? If so, why?
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: crudos on February 05, 2013, 12:39:29 PM
This could all be a coincidence, this could be gobment conspiracy, although I don't see how any of this would work in their favor other than scare tactics.  This could also be the work of an interested party (foreign or domestic) nudging us toward our own Arab Spring, more than likely not for our own good, but to expose our Achillies' heel as it were-- a nation divided, all that's left is to conquer.   

Just be aware of your surroundings as 1000meterstare suggested, and don't let the anger, fear, paranoia, consume you, but instead, keep building yourselves up to rise above the smoke and mirrors.

My suggestion, stand outside for a few minutes today and look at the world around you.  There is a much larger set of rules guiding us than our own, our bullshit laws don't apply to the universe, so don't let them keep you from enjoying the view.  Our fallen brothers and sisters no longer have that option, which makes it that much more important for us to enjoy it, not take it for granted.

RIP Chris Kyle, your valiance will not be overlooked nor forgotten.  Our thoughts and prayers are with the family.
+ karma given. Great post thatGirl. It's too easy to get caught up in a limited perspective with the extreme micro-focus the internet allows and mostly promotes.
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: hjmoosejaw on February 05, 2013, 12:48:06 PM
This could all be a coincidence, this could be gobment conspiracy, although I don't see how any of this would work in their favor other than scare tactics.  This could also be the work of an interested party (foreign or domestic) nudging us toward our own Arab Spring, more than likely not for our own good, but to expose our Achillies' heel as it were-- a nation divided, all that's left is to conquer.   

Just be aware of your surroundings as 1000meterstare suggested, and don't let the anger, fear, paranoia, consume you, but instead, keep building yourselves up to rise above the smoke and mirrors.

My suggestion, stand outside for a few minutes today and look at the world around you.  There is a much larger set of rules guiding us than our own, our bullshit laws don't apply to the universe, so don't let them keep you from enjoying the view.  Our fallen brothers and sisters no longer have that option, which makes it that much more important for us to enjoy it, not take it for granted.

RIP Chris Kyle, your valiance will not be overlooked nor forgotten.  Our thoughts and prayers are with the family.
+ karma given. Great post thatGirl. It's too easy to get caught up in a limited perspective with the extreme micro-focus the internet allows and mostly promotes.

I agree crudos! Great post T-girl. One can't give in to one way of thinking. But one has to be open to all ways of thinking.
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: crudos on February 05, 2013, 07:30:39 PM
Chris Kyle Memorial Service
Date: Monday, February 11, 2013
Time: 1:00 pm
Location: Cowboy Stadium, Arlington, Texas

 :(
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: JohnyMac on February 05, 2013, 08:19:58 PM
I was listening to Glenn Beck radio today and it appears he was a close friend with Chris and his family. He has a spot on Mercury1.org where you can donate $$$ to Chris's family. As of noon when he signed off the radio there was over $100,000- donated to his family via Mercury1. 100% of all $$$ donated through Mercury1 will go to Chris's family - No administrative costs/labor will be taken from the donations.

Keep in mind that the proceeds from Chris's book went to helping vets.   

Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: Alex1992 on February 05, 2013, 11:56:41 PM
Well whoever killed him my condolenses (assuming thats how you spell it) to Chris Kyle and to his family
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: JohnyMac on February 06, 2013, 10:53:55 AM
As of this writing Glenn's charity mercury1 has collected approx $250,000- for Chris's family. Jessee Ventura is continuing to sue the Kyle estate for slander. Beck is going to put the donations for the Kyle family in a trust so if he wins he will not get a dime.

http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_20039344 (http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_20039344)
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: crudos on February 06, 2013, 11:23:32 AM
As of this writing Glenn's charity mercury1 has collected approx $250,000- for Chris's family. Jessee Ventura is continuing to sue the Kyle estate for slander. Beck is going to put the donations for the Kyle family in a trust so if he wins he will not get a dime.

[url]http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_20039344[/url] ([url]http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_20039344[/url])

Very decent of Beck. Still not fan, but fair play to him.
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: crudos on February 06, 2013, 11:38:52 AM
Surprise, Ron Paul backtracks....

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/06/ron-paul-clarifies-comments-on-death-navy-seal-member/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/06/ron-paul-clarifies-comments-on-death-navy-seal-member/)
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After a public backlash, former presidential candidate Ron Paul used his Facebook page to clarify controversial comments he made Monday about the Navy SEAL who was killed at a Texas gun range over the weekend.

On Monday, Paul, 77, took cyber heat for a tweet he sent out following the news of the veteran's death. Paul wrote: ?Chris Kyle?s death seems to confirm that ?he who lives by the sword dies by the sword.? Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn?t make sense.?

His comments were re-tweeted more than 800 times and most of the responses he received were negative. 

Paul backtracked some and offered a clarification on his Facebook page. He wrote: "As a veteran, I certainly recognize that this weekend's violence and killing of Chris Kyle were a tragic and sad event. My condolences and prayers go out to Mr. Kyle?s family. Unconstitutional and unnecessary wars have endless unintended consequences. A policy of non-violence, as Christ preached, would have prevented this and similar tragedies. -REP"

Paul has spent much of his congressional career denouncing military intervention overseas. He publicly opposed the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and called them unconstitutional. 

Eddie Ray Routh, 25, has been charged with one count of capital murder and two counts of murder in the shooting deaths of Kyle, author of the best-selling book ?American Sniper? and his friend Chad Littlefield. All three were at a shooting range in Glen Rose, Texas. Routh is on suicide watch at the Erath County Jail, where he?s being held on $3 million bail.

Kyle, who had four tours in Iraq, was the most lethal sniper in the U.S. He had 160 confirmed kills and received 14 different awards and decorations, including two Silver Stars, five Bronze Stars with Valor and two Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medals. After leaving the Navy, he wrote his biography, ?American Sniper.?

 >:(
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: JohnyMac on February 06, 2013, 11:53:30 AM
If the killing of Chris Kyle was a black ops shooting his murderer will die at the hands of someone before his case makes it's way to the courtroom. IMO, if he makes it to court and a guilty finding the murder will be what it i s- A disturbed man. 
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: Reaver on February 06, 2013, 03:25:02 PM
If the killing of Chris Kyle was a black ops shooting his murderer will die at the hands of someone before his case makes it's way to the courtroom. IMO, if he makes it to court and a guilty finding the murder will be what it i s- A disturbed man.

Not necessarily. That's just what they want you to think.


...


And the mind fuckin continues.
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: Outonowhere on February 06, 2013, 07:10:35 PM
If the killing of Chris Kyle was a black ops shooting his murderer will die at the hands of someone before his case makes it's way to the courtroom. IMO, if he makes it to court and a guilty finding the murder will be what it i s- A disturbed man.

Not necessarily. That's just what they want you to think.


...


And the mind fuckin continues.

Agreed, anyone hear about the Joke(r) lately? Neither have I.  NDAA, they can just rat hole you away till you are but a myth...
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: crudos on February 11, 2013, 01:59:44 PM
Ceremony live right now.....

http://www.wfaa.com/video?id=139367478&sec=553117 (http://www.wfaa.com/video?id=139367478&sec=553117)
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: crudos on February 11, 2013, 04:37:59 PM
Very moving service, was trying to grab the whole memorial, but couldn't get my shit figured out. Here's the last clip, grabbed by someone else, of Taps being played.

http://youtu.be/ho0XKPcGzxs (http://youtu.be/ho0XKPcGzxs)
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: crudos on February 11, 2013, 05:02:13 PM
More....
http://youtu.be/V2PCQLbF9MM (http://youtu.be/V2PCQLbF9MM)
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: hjmoosejaw on February 12, 2013, 12:06:06 AM
Two good posts crudos. Thanks!
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: JohnyMac on February 12, 2013, 09:51:45 AM
Thanks Crudos.

On another note: Donations to Mercuryone.org for Chris Kyle sfamily. are surpassing $750,000- as I type.
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: crudos on February 12, 2013, 12:15:08 PM
Nearly lost it emotionally when Chris' wife, Taya, was speaking. But I know she and the kids will be forever looked after.

The procession to Austin started....

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Thousands-Expected-for-Kyle-Procession-Tuesday-190770121.html (http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Thousands-Expected-for-Kyle-Procession-Tuesday-190770121.html)
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: JohnyMac on February 12, 2013, 12:22:37 PM
Thanks for posting this Crudos.

I have been getting reports that the roads are lined with citizens even though the weather is nasty. I have also heard that there many motorcycle club members accompanying the procession.

On a similar note: Flags are flying at half mast in Texas. No national half flag directive unlike Whitney Houston received.  [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
 
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: Kentactic on February 12, 2013, 03:20:00 PM
I guess it pays to be famous if you die. Who wants to donate money if they cant bring it up in conversations.
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: crudos on February 12, 2013, 05:54:13 PM
I will be buying Chris Kyles' book. I know his company, The Craft, will be selling commemorative patches. Gotta give props to the people of Texas, their presence and support all around this event have been staggering.
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: crudos on February 13, 2013, 09:23:48 AM
So heartbreaking, but so powerful.  :(
http://youtu.be/RJu2tkA6WYg (http://youtu.be/RJu2tkA6WYg)
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: hjmoosejaw on February 13, 2013, 11:03:16 AM
I had the wife watch this, but she had to walk away. She said it was too sad. I googled his book and found this:

http://www.salon.com/2013/02/08/bradley_cooper_to_play_chris_kyle_in_american_sniper_biopic/ (http://www.salon.com/2013/02/08/bradley_cooper_to_play_chris_kyle_in_american_sniper_biopic/)

There is a part there that touches on gun control. I just hope this Cooper guy doesn't use creative license to put a bad light on guns. I don't know, but I doubt If Chris Kyle was for gun control. You never know, maybe Cooper will be against gun control. I don't get that feeling though.
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: hjmoosejaw on February 13, 2013, 12:30:14 PM
Below is a link to Chris's company. If you click on "Memorial Gear", you can purchase items that allow all proceeds to got to the families of Chris and his friend Chad. I'll be getting some shirts and patches. It looks like everything is out of stock, but will be in, in about 4 weeks.

 http://co-store.com/craftgear (http://co-store.com/craftgear)
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: NOLA556 on February 13, 2013, 10:56:45 PM
I'm sure I'll catch some flack for this but... I don't see wtf the big deal is about this guy. anyone ever seen Terantino's "Inglorious Bastards"?

answer me this: wtf is the difference (aside from the obvious physical danger) between this dude, and some twat thumbing a joystick on a drone?

he carried out orders just like all the rest of the boots. he's no more of a hero than anyone else that put themselves in harm's way for a bullshit cause. so he had a talent for putting rounds on target. I'd place my bets on Kentactic any day.

sorry if this offends anyone.
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: Kentactic on February 13, 2013, 11:05:11 PM
I'm sure I'll catch some flack for this but... I don't see wtf the big deal is about this guy. anyone ever seen Terantino's "Inglorious Bastards"?

answer me this: wtf is the difference (aside from the obvious physical danger) between this dude, and some twat thumbing a joystick on a drone?

he carried out orders just like all the rest of the boots. he's no more of a hero than anyone else that put themselves in harm's way for a bullshit cause. so he had a talent for putting rounds on target. I'd place my bets on Kentactic any day.

sorry if this offends anyone.


I agree in the sense that just because hes famous in some way everyone throws their money and hearts at his death. Sad story but theres a lot of those.
The last part might be a stretch, im no sniper. Plus i have no bolt gun right now. But i appreciate it bud  [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: JohnyMac on February 13, 2013, 11:25:36 PM
Well a few things you may not know:

> He didn't take a dime from his best selling Novel, American Sniper. He gave the proceeds to his buddies mom.
> Kicked the shit out of Jesse Ventura
> paired with FITCO Cares Foundation, a non-profit organization which created the Heroes Project to provide free in-home
   fitness equipment, individualized programs, personal training, and life-coaching to in-need veterans with disabilities, Gold
    Star families, or those suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder.
> Was awarded:
    Two Silver stars
    Five Bronze Stars
    Two Navy & Marine Corp Achievement Medals
    Navy & Marine Corp Commendation medals
> 160 Confirmed Kills. The only guy who came close to that was Adelbert Waldron who had 109 confirmed kills in Viet Nam
> The Towel heads had a $80K bounty on his head.
> By all accounts was a pretty down to earth guy who just wanted to help returning vets.

So what (Generalization) have you done lately?


 
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: Kentactic on February 13, 2013, 11:54:12 PM
So he cant take the money with him. Are we rewarding his family for his acheivements? My 5th cousin (something like that) is Abraham lincoln. He was murdered. Send me money. Honoring him is one thing. Although im happy the family is being taken care of theres lots of people who lose the big bread winner. Why this family? Im already regretting typing this because i dont want to go down this road lol
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: thatGirl on February 14, 2013, 12:49:27 AM
I don't know about you guys, but I'm the person who always puts money the jar at the local market to help a family that just lost a mom, a dad, a child...  Little Billy has cancer, yes I will donate to help with his medical bills.  The difference here, is that this guy is known throughout a larger community, and yes, he was a veteran, which, I personally think, makes his and his family's welfare every free American's responsibility. 

We can all argue about whether or not the wars we're (meaning America) fighting are correct, appropriate, just, etc... and about gun control, climate change, tax increases, the list goes on and on.  Regardless of your stance, the one thing folks are good about getting together on is mourning.  Whether you've lost a spouse, child, grandparent, dog, or Gucci bag, the one thing we all share is an understanding of loss, and maybe it's just lip service, but at least it's service-- another useful word on the cusp of going extinct.

This may just be perspective of the feeble female variety, but I'm sad every time I hear of any one being hurt or killed, especially someone who has "served" this country. 

Something to stash in the darkest corner of your brain:  Practices of ritual and adornment during burial are thought to have emerged with modern humans, effectively marking the beginning of our "humanity". 
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: hjmoosejaw on February 14, 2013, 03:07:02 AM
I can see some of the points made about contributing (or not) to the families, when the breadwinner is taken out. It's true that there are a lot of people that do their duty and are not rewarded monetarily. Some go above and beyond though. While we can't help them all, I don't mind helping in some small way when I can. The way I see it, if we pay ten bucks for a beer at a ball game, or go to a movie, or buy a jersey with our favorite players number on it, we are making a sports figure, an actor, or an entertainer very rich by doing so. While they provide us with entertainment, I think they are extremely over paid, for what little they do for it. If a guy has done 4 tours in Iraq, been wounded, helped save how many American lives with his actions, contributed so much in and out of the service, I would rather make the lives of the ones he's left behind, a little bit easier, if I can, than somebody that can sing, act, or throw a football. Just my .02   


Hey Ken, (and I'm joking here, so don't anybody get all politically correct.) If Abraham Lincoln is your 5th cousin, then he has, in a round about way, helped Barry to be the President. So you might owe us some money. LOL!
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: JohnyMac on February 14, 2013, 08:33:39 AM
Thank you TGrl and hj. You expressed my feelings more elegantly then I ever could of.

Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: Kentactic on February 14, 2013, 08:43:01 AM
Haha hjmoosejaw.... My point was that i have no bearing on his acheivements so i deserve nothing from his acheivements. If i were in a position to give today and saw a man who died having nearly a million dollars already donated to his family that would be a clear sign i should look elsewhere to give. It almost seems like we just see how high we can get the number just because. Like i said no one wants to give to a random cause they cant talk about.
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: hjmoosejaw on February 14, 2013, 12:58:12 PM
Haha hjmoosejaw.... My point was that i have no bearing on his acheivements so i deserve nothing from his acheivements. If i were in a position to give today and saw a man who died having nearly a million dollars already donated to his family that would be a clear sign i should look elsewhere to give. It almost seems like we just see how high we can get the number just because. Like i said no one wants to give to a random cause they cant talk about.


I hear ya Ken. Actually, there probably is a little bit of the fact that I'm giving to be able to talk about it. I've always thought that I don't want to be a billboard for somebody. I actually am careful about what logos or whatever I'll wear. When I was in the Navy, I considered trying out for the SEALs, they told me, I was color blind (color deficient), and couldn't. Some years later, the wife and I were watching some SEALs put on a skydiving show at an airshow, and they were selling t-shirts with the trident on them. The wife asked me if I wanted one. I said no, because I didn't want people to be asking if I was a SEAL, for one, and I thought that they should be the only ones to wear that trident. I do like the logo of Chris Kyle's company, that skull and motto. I wanted to wear it, but never would. But, being that they're selling it on memorial gear, or it's with their approval, I can. I like what the logo signifies, and will be happy to share it with others.
After clicking on the link, mouse down to bottom of page and click on "craft skull" to check out the meaning of the logo.

http://co-store.com/craftgear (http://co-store.com/craftgear)
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: Deathstyle on February 14, 2013, 03:40:32 PM
Im still calling bullshit on punching Jesse Ventura. I find it hard to believe the media wouldnt have found out about that. Expecially FOX NEWS who is very hawkish and was at the other end of Ventura's opinion about IRAQ.

*As far as I know. Ventura was only suing for any profits that CHRIS KYLE made from his book and none that went to help veterans.
*What was Ventura supposed to do? This guy made a significant accusation and Ventura had to fight back IF he is innocent. He filed suit before the guy was dead and claims to have witnesses to testify of his innocence including the owner of Mc Pees (the SEAL bar where the alleged event happened.)


I read Kyle's book and while I do appreciate that he made efforts to explain that he wasnt anymore badass than other units just because he was a SEAL, other times Id read a paragraph where he would say SEALs were wrongfully slapped with a reputation for being arrogant and full of shit and were quite the opposite. Then a paragraph or page later I'd read something that made me roll my eyes and wondered how arrorgant was he really?

Bottom line: Sucks Kyle is dead. Alot of families have lost Fathers/Sons/Mothers/Daughters due to combat duty or PTSD combined with this shitty economy. I think Kyles family as well as all the others would be better off if they had them (obviously) but even more so considering events on the horizon. Can Ventura go ahead with a suit to confront the witnesses siding with Kyle and let the public determine who was right?
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: 1000meterstare on February 27, 2013, 11:28:19 PM
I am disgusted now that "confirmed kills" are now what "makes a man great."  It is not.  I was in war, and I have killing to answer for one day to my maker.  Some days I answer for it little-by-little.  Whether for king or country, flag or no, "thou shalt not kill" was written to protect our souls, psyche, and spirit.  Killing wears on a man, and the only healing for it is time, living for one's family and close friends.  But you can never really shake it.  You keep that in mind when SHTF.  Only pull the trigger if you absolutely have no choice.  Do not hesitate, but value human life as well.  If you look forward to greasing folks then you are a sick phuck and have no business on this forum or in a good wholesome prepper community. :( 
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: thatGuy on February 28, 2013, 12:31:51 AM
I am disgusted now that "confirmed kills" are now what "makes a man great."  It is not.  I was in war, and I have killing to answer for one day to my maker.  Some days I answer for it little-by-little.  Whether for king or country, flag or no, "thou shalt not kill" was written to protect our souls, psyche, and spirit.  Killing wears on a man, and the only healing for it is time, living for one's family and close friends.  But you can never really shake it.  You keep that in mind when SHTF.  Only pull the trigger if you absolutely have no choice.  Do not hesitate, but value human life as well.  If you look forward to greasing folks then you are a sick phuck and have no business on this forum or in a good wholesome prepper community. :(

As a guy who has something to say about everything I find myself lacking words. Thanks is the only word that comes to mind.

Thanks for subjecting yourself to that, thank you for carrying more than your share of the burden, thank you for sparing us from having to know the horrors of the load you carry and more than that thank you for sharing your hard won knowledge. 

It is easy for those of us who've never been tested to run off at the mouth about morality, ethics and bravery but it always lacks the ring of truth and the humility of experience.

Thank you for sharing and I pray one day you'll be able to rest easy.
Title: Re: RIP Chris Kyle
Post by: JohnyMac on February 28, 2013, 08:48:06 AM
Thank you TG for your words...They ring true.

1000Meter, thanks for your service in the military.  [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co