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Re: Man punches clerk and gets shot
« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2012, 09:47:05 AM »
Alright JM, you got us!  Great point and great movie, I suppose because Clint Eastwood's in it is not the answer you were looking for... :o

I will say though, my stand point is not macho mantra, it's more piss-myself propaganda- I'm a scared little girl in a great big world and all I have to protect myself is this here pistol.  I'm also hoping that most of the 12 judging me are men, in which case I will only button the lower 4 buttons of my blouse and pray for forgiveness  :-*
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Re: Man punches clerk and gets shot
« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2012, 10:47:28 AM »
T-Girl, I've already forgiven you, and I don't even know what you did.

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Re: Man punches clerk and gets shot
« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2012, 12:05:00 PM »
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Funny story: A few years back I was taking a defensive had gun class from David Kenik. His EDC knife had a pink handle. He said that if you had to face 12 jurors a pink handle knife would be looked upon differently then a black handled one.

He also suggested to the gals in our class to buy pink handguns. All of us guys laughed and he told us not to laugh as more feminine looking guns were the wave of the future as more and more women get involved in shooting.

Jump ahead a few years and I found myself at a NRA four day shooting range class. One of the lecturers was a guy from Idaho. He had a combo gun store and shooting range. He told us that his store manager was an accomplished pistol-ero (SP) and she talked him into carrying pink and blue handguns. He kept saying no until one day, in a moment of weakness he gave her permission to buy a small selection.

Well once they came in the store manager put them in a separate case away from the normal colored handguns and low and behold she sold every one within a week. So he gave her the green light to expand on the offering.

She not only expanded on the selection but she added clothing, holsters, purses, etc. in a separate part of the store. He told us that that section of the store is now making up 20% of his total business on products he sells and about 50% of his business he does in training.

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Re: Man punches clerk and gets shot
« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2012, 12:15:37 PM »
I swear the nerve of some people, I tell you that guy got some cojones on him.

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Re: Man punches clerk and gets shot
« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2012, 06:23:15 PM »
Alright JM, you got us!  Great point and great movie, I suppose because Clint Eastwood's in it is not the answer you were looking for... :o

I will say though, my stand point is not macho mantra, it's more piss-myself propaganda- I'm a scared little girl in a great big world and all I have to protect myself is this here pistol.  I'm also hoping that most of the 12 judging me are men, in which case I will only button the lower 4 buttons of my blouse and pray for forgiveness  :-*

If everyone who i scared shot me i would be long gone. Personal fear of a non threatening situation is just tough shit. Be scared all you want. But if you decide to brandish or use a firearm to feel less scared then be prepared to have the other guy who now has good reason to be scared shoot back in defense of his life.
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Re: Man punches clerk and gets shot
« Reply #30 on: December 03, 2012, 06:27:19 PM »
T-girl  lmfao did anyone else catch that?
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Re: Man punches clerk and gets shot
« Reply #31 on: December 03, 2012, 06:45:45 PM »
T-girl  lmfao did anyone else catch that?

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Re: Man punches clerk and gets shot
« Reply #32 on: December 03, 2012, 07:19:49 PM »
Catch what?
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Re: Man punches clerk and gets shot
« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2012, 07:45:47 PM »
It's not like it was years ago when guys would settle their differences with their fists, then walk away and most likely become friends later.  The culture has changed.  Today if someone strikes you they probably are trying to kill or seriously injure you.  Usually for no good reason.

i take it you haven't been in a fight for a long long time?
or perhaps you get your data from what you see on the news?  ???

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Re: Man punches clerk and gets shot
« Reply #34 on: December 03, 2012, 08:31:07 PM »
You guys are the best!  I just got home after a rough work day, my dumb ass kneeled on a cactus within the first 15 minutes of being outdoors.  So I wipe the tears away from my eyes and the pee off my leg, get a tight grip on that big ole chunk of cholla stuck in my knee and pulled it as fast and hard as I could, fucker has barbs like a bunch of fish hooks.  Just had to cut some of my hair stupid short cause I got tree sap in my hair and I'm too lazy to dip my head in turpentine...  Anyway, I'm hurt, I'm irritated, but I open up SP and giggle my ass off- life is good again, thanks guys!

Oh btw Ken, I don't just go around cryin' and scared and shooting at shit willynilly.  I'm pretty responsible, I just like to rile folks up...
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Re: Man punches clerk and gets shot
« Reply #35 on: December 03, 2012, 08:41:51 PM »
You guys are the best!  I just got home after a rough work day, my dumb ass kneeled on a cactus within the first 15 minutes of being outdoors.  So I wipe the tears away from my eyes and the pee off my leg, get a tight grip on that big ole chunk of cholla stuck in my knee and pulled it as fast and hard as I could, fucker has barbs like a bunch of fish hooks.  Just had to cut some of my hair stupid short cause I got tree sap in my hair and I'm too lazy to dip my head in turpentine...  Anyway, I'm hurt, I'm irritated, but I open up SP and giggle my ass off- life is good again, thanks guys!


Yeah that cholla sucks!! my first time in the mojave desert i ran out with my rifle all excited to go find a coyote. 100 yards from the truck i was down with a bunch of that shit in my calve. LOL!



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Re: Man punches clerk and gets shot
« Reply #36 on: December 03, 2012, 10:34:29 PM »
Im going to throw in my 2 cents and thats all im going to say on this topic. I had an old man tell me one time "If youre mad enough to hit a man youre mad enough to kill him". And ya know what he is right anytime I have wanted to knock the shit out of somebody I was mad enough to shoot him dead. Im a little guy with an explosive temper, when I get after somebody they had better kill me or im going to do my best to kill them. The fact is you never know what youre dealing with, dude shouldnt have opened the door. The kid that threw the punch got what was coming.

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Re: Man punches clerk and gets shot
« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2012, 11:58:37 PM »
Yeah that cholla sucks!! my first time in the mojave desert i ran out with my rifle all excited to go find a coyote. 100 yards from the truck i was down with a bunch of that shit in my calve. LOL!


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Re: Man punches clerk and gets shot
« Reply #38 on: December 04, 2012, 12:10:00 AM »
Im going to throw in my 2 cents and thats all im going to say on this topic. I had an old man tell me one time "If youre mad enough to hit a man youre mad enough to kill him". And ya know what he is right anytime I have wanted to knock the shit out of somebody I was mad enough to shoot him dead. Im a little guy with an explosive temper, when I get after somebody they had better kill me or im going to do my best to kill them. The fact is you never know what youre dealing with, dude shouldnt have opened the door. The kid that threw the punch got what was coming.

I couldnt disagree more. 90% of fights the worst the dudes want to do is knock the other dude out and walk away. I cant think of one time me or anyone i know has gotten in a fight and litterally wished death upon their opponent. Perhaps if some one is intoxicated he might think like that but hes probably so drunk he couldnt do it if he wanted to. Now id say when being attacked you need to take the violence to another level beyond what the attacker is mentally ready for. But i just dont see where your coming from with WANTING to kill some one. Even if i am forced to shoot at a guy my ideal scenario is i miss and he sprawls out on the floor begging me to stop. I highly doubt thats how it goes down if im pulling a trigger but still No one ever WANTS to kill some one. Not normal people... thugs n gang bangers yeah maybe... but it takes a mentally disturbed person to want to kill just because they are upset at a person over a fist fight scenario.

With all that said i dont believe you are in the mentally disturbed category. Some one who wants to kill a person wont end it after the fight stops. they will make it happen eventually. The hatred needed to WANT to kill dosent click on out of no where and then the fights over you cool off and forget about it.

"Im gonna kill that son of a bitch" is a figure of speach. People dont mean it. They may even tell you they are serious...but they arent. They almost always get their fill of violence after no life threatening injuries to their opponent.

Where fist fights turn lethal is where theres large groups of people all issuing blows that after so many kills the guy. Or theres escilaters like one guy stupidly pulls out his pocket knife, then the other guy pulls his out. It would have been a fist fight but it escilated to both of their disliking.

But with all that said a smaller man then yourself can be considered a threat of great bodily harm. If the dudes 5 ft nothing and is yoked and is doing backflips and punching himself in the face he may very well be a threat of great bodily harm to the 7ft 300 lb dude.

Hows this for a justified shooting quick clearifier. If you shoot the guy and your hands are cold as ice because all the blood left your hands then you probably really did fear for your life. If you shoot a guy and your ears are ringing then its probably a crime of anger and not of great fear.

In this case evn if the guy really did fear for his life after he was punched he already abandoned any hope of a legal shoot when he went looking for trouble so tough shit for him.
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Re: Man punches clerk and gets shot
« Reply #39 on: December 04, 2012, 01:37:32 AM »
Call me disturbed somebody comes at me im going to kill them, I have a bad temper I know I try to walk away. But when it comes to that point I dont throw a fist I draw my blade or my gun no questions asked. It's blunt and its cold but thats the way I am. Have I had any problems no, im not a huge fan of going to jail so I walk away. I came damn close to cutting a boy up in a bar one night sober my buddy stopped me and dude got kicked out of the place. I dont go out like I used to, and I have never started trouble. But when someone comes at me I take it as a threat to my life and I will do my very best to kill them.

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Re: Man punches clerk and gets shot
« Reply #40 on: December 04, 2012, 10:33:51 AM »
Call me disturbed somebody comes at me im going to kill them, I have a bad temper I know I try to walk away. But when it comes to that point I dont throw a fist I draw my blade or my gun no questions asked. It's blunt and its cold but thats the way I am. Have I had any problems no, im not a huge fan of going to jail so I walk away. I came damn close to cutting a boy up in a bar one night sober my buddy stopped me and dude got kicked out of the place. I dont go out like I used to, and I have never started trouble. But when someone comes at me I take it as a threat to my life and I will do my very best to kill them.
Oh GP, sometimes I just want to pinch your sociopath cheeks and give you a big hug... and a pat-down to check you for weapons, you sadistic motherfucker! :))
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Re: Man punches clerk and gets shot
« Reply #41 on: December 04, 2012, 12:13:52 PM »
Call me disturbed somebody comes at me im going to kill them, I have a bad temper I know I try to walk away. But when it comes to that point I dont throw a fist I draw my blade or my gun no questions asked. It's blunt and its cold but thats the way I am. Have I had any problems no, im not a huge fan of going to jail so I walk away. I came damn close to cutting a boy up in a bar one night sober my buddy stopped me and dude got kicked out of the place. I dont go out like I used to, and I have never started trouble. But when someone comes at me I take it as a threat to my life and I will do my very best to kill them.

Talks cheap. Im assuming youve been in atleast one fight. So if thats the case im guessing you didnt kill him unless your writing this from prison. People say they get angry enough to kill in a fist fight. But they dont know what that even entails. Most people arent going to continually punch an unconcious person in the face again and again until hes dead with their now two broken hands. Theres just no point. The threats gone. It takes serious hatred to kill just because. If you really will kill for tge hell of it you better hope im not on that jury.
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Re: Man punches clerk and gets shot
« Reply #42 on: December 04, 2012, 01:51:17 PM »
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Re: Man punches clerk and gets shot
« Reply #43 on: December 04, 2012, 02:34:13 PM »
Dammit Grudgie, you crossed a line that can't be fixed with my simple PC word swapping, without the video you might be able to get away with calling it a "ninja moment".  Free speech is only free until Al Sharpton knocks on your door to serve a soepena. 

funny, yes... true, perhaps... subtle, no... appropriate, no...

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Re: Man punches clerk and gets shot
« Reply #44 on: December 04, 2012, 03:07:56 PM »
Dammit Grudgie, you crossed a line that can't be fixed with my simple PC word swapping, without the video you might be able to get away with calling it a "ninja moment".  Free speech is only free until Al Sharpton knocks on your door to serve a soepena. 

funny, yes... true, perhaps... subtle, no... appropriate, no...

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Re: Man punches clerk and gets shot
« Reply #45 on: December 04, 2012, 04:12:06 PM »
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Re: Man punches clerk and gets shot
« Reply #46 on: December 04, 2012, 04:19:48 PM »
Oh lighten up. I'm quoting Martin Luther King Jr. in my signature for pete's sake.

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Re: Man punches clerk and gets shot
« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2012, 10:41:42 PM »
i've lost all sympathy for morons. bare knuckles vs. gun... unfair? of course. do I give a fuck? no.

 I've recognized this recent development in my attitude, and modified my EDC accordingly. I just recently bought the same type of telescoping baton that most LEO's carry. I'm in a place in my life where I have VERY little tolerance for bullshit.  I've supplemented my EDC with a handly little solid steel baton. dying from a hole in the head is alot more PC when the hole was blown open by blunt force rather than lead @ 1200 fps.

either way, fuck that shit. you go looking for trouble, don't piss and moan when it answers your call.
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Re: Man punches clerk and gets shot
« Reply #48 on: December 04, 2012, 10:55:52 PM »

 you go looking for trouble, don't piss and moan when it answers your call.


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Re: Man punches clerk and gets shot
« Reply #49 on: December 05, 2012, 09:06:45 AM »
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