South Africa is Racist

[Nemo]

To the point of changing their Constitution.

Nemo


https://www.rt.com/news/434784-south-africa-amendemnt-land-expropriation/

South Africa to change constitution to legalize taking away white farmers' land
Published time: 1 Aug, 2018 04:40, Edited time: 1 Aug, 2018 09:35

South African President Cyril Ramaphosa has said the ruling African National Congress must initiate a parliamentary process to enshrine in the constitution a proposed amendment, paving the way for land grabs without compensation.

Ramaphosa, who vowed to return the lands owned by the white farmers since the 1600s to the country's black population after he assumed office in February this year, said on Tuesday that the ANC would introduce a constitutional amendment in parliament.

"The ANC will through the parliamentary process finalize the proposed amendment to the constitution that outlines more clearly the conditions under which expropriation of land without compensation can be effected," Ramaphosa, a prominent trade union leader and a close associate of Nelson Mandela, said in a televised address on Tuesday.

The millionaire ex-businessman argued that "it has become pertinently clear that our people want the constitution to be more explicit" about the proposal, which is viewed by the South African white minority as forceful expulsion that can incite violence against farmers.

There have been growing fears that the planned expropriation will deal a blow to commercial farming in the country and might put it on the verge of a food production crisis, like the one that struck Zimbabwe when it unleashed a similar crackdown on white farmers in 1999-2000.

Promoting his plan to boost land redistribution in March, Ramaphosa sought to assure white citizens, who constitute roughly nine percent of the total population, that the government would handle the controversial matter through "dialog, discussion, engagement, until we find good solutions that take our country forward."

"There is no reason for anyone of us to panic and start beating war drums," he said at the time, noting that nothing should prevent farming activities from continuing as normal.

However, many of the Boers, descendants of Dutch settlers in South Africa, do not take the government's promises at face value, instead seeking asylum abroad from what they say is a surge in violence and government-fueled hostility against them.

Last month, a call from Australian Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton to provide emergency visas for South Africa's white farmers, who are reportedly facing persecution at home, sparked a diplomatic scandal, with the head of the South African opposition labeling Australia "a racist country" for granting refuge to white farmers both in the Mandela era and now.

Boers have also appealed to Russia, seeking to resettle farmers who no longer feel at home in South Africa. A delegation consisting of some 30 South African farming families arrived in Russia's farm belt Stavropol Region last month, asking the local authorities to consider resettling up to 15,000 Boers.

Moving "is a matter of life and death" for them the head of the delegation told the media.

The region's Deputy Commissioner for Human Rights Vladimir Poluboyarenko told RT earlier there is a plan in place to resettle up to 50 Boer families and potentially some 500, who would arrive to Stavropol with their own cattle.

[gadget99]

This is a sad example of our times.

The world placed pressure on SA to force change on its society. Now we see the pendulum swing the other way and not a peep from the gallery.

I find it interesting that offering visas to people that wish to leave SA is now considered racist.

One would have thought that this would be preferred by the government.

What do they want? Keep people from leaving the country, to what purpose?

I find it difficult to find benign reasons for preventing people from leaving the country because they feel threatened. The only reasons that come to mind involve some really nasty outcomes.

Sad times.

[JoJo]

I find it difficult to find benign reasons for preventing people from leaving the country because they feel threatened.

Politics! They know the EU and the USA press are on their side, that's why the call the Australian's racist. The world press is under the totally incorrect impression that all white's are racist. But notice they didn't call the Russians racist.
 Why haven't we heard this from our press? Because it doesn't fit their narrative.     

[Kbop]

I find it interesting that offering visas to people that wish to leave SA is now considered racist.

One would have thought that this would be preferred by the government.

What do they want? Keep people from leaving the country, to what purpose?

most of the capital liquid and land are held by either cleptocrats like Ramaphosa or white business and land holdings.  - they want to keep the assets in the country until they can 're-distribute' all of it.  if there is a run for the borders they will loose expertise, capital, other assets and legitimacy.

[JohnyMac]

@ Gadget - "I find it interesting that offering visas to people that wish to leave SA is now considered racist.", and
@ Kbop - "they want to keep the assets in the country until they can 're-distribute' all of it.  if there is a run for the borders they will loose expertise, capital, other assets and legitimacy."

What I don't understand and maybe RM can help me out here, why don't the farmers and or landowners just take control and stop this crap. Rise up before you will be robbed and in many cases be murdered. Think the French Revolution and Robespierre.

[Nemo]

What I don't understand and maybe RM can help me out here, why don't the farmers and or landowners just take control and stop this crap. Rise up before you will be robbed and in many cases be murdered. Think the French Revolution and Robespierre.

Short story (as I an figure out) is the farmers and landowners are basically outnumbered 50-1 and the military (for what thats worth) is on the govt side, no one but the govt can own a firearm and its basically looked as if you are black, you are good and if not you are bad and need killed.  After being tortured, raped, and whatever other abuses are thought of at the time.

Nemo

[JohnyMac]

Sometimes the best solution is to look at history. Specifically I am thinking of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.

Granted, the Jew's were finally put down, however with learning from their mistakes and successes, I suspect if the farmers/landowners rose up they would be able to take back their government.

Add to this thought, since Obama isn't in charge, Trump will back the folks rising up.

[gadget99]

I have been thinking a bit on this. (Sometimes that is not the best of things)

I worry that with the state of things globally in a political sense. That the government in SA as it stands could pretty much get away with doing any nefarious thing they want and get away with it.

Who in reality would stop them? Even if there was a will to do so. There would in all likelihood be no real measures any country could take to stop things before really bad things happen.

We are looking at something that has the hallmarks of events that have happened before.

1. Identify a minority there are hard feelings against.
2. Make sure the majority of that minority population cannot escape control.
3. Take steps to marginalize that population as much as possible.
4. Begin steps to confiscate the assets of that population to redistribute to the more worthy portions of the population.

Anyone else concerned at the historical example of this.

Now I am not meaning to be alarmist really. I am however watching this with concern.

History has shown us that when atrocities happen. The world governments stand aside and try not to get involved. Then after the fact they may try and make someone accountable. Yet much of our history does not show anyone really preventing them.

I really in this instance will be happy for my concerns to be worth of a full head tin foil helmet.

Cheers all

[Kbop]

@Gadget,
sure, any government.  think of the people there before Shaka, then the Boers then the Afrikaners, now this hybrid.

In Britain it was the 'hill people' then the Celts, then the Picts, the Romans, Saxons, Angles, Jutes, Danes, Normands... 

same story different place and time.  You are on point.

IMHO its the same story just different names, places and times.  It sucks to be the loser in a conquest - hard, like war and genocide or soft, like government change, migration or religious incursion.  Briton has seen them all and what it is now, is a creation of that history. 
Sorry, been thinking myself.

[gadget99]

@Gadget,
sure, any government.  think of the people there before Shaka, then the Boers then the Afrikaners, now this hybrid.

In Britain it was the 'hill people' then the Celts, then the Picts, the Romans, Saxons, Angles, Jutes, Danes, Normands... 

same story different place and time.  You are on point.

IMHO its the same story just different names, places and times.  It sucks to be the loser in a conquest - hard, like war and genocide or soft, like government change, migration or religious incursion.  Briton has seen them all and what it is now, is a creation of that history. 
Sorry, been thinking myself.

Yeah....

I follow your thoughts.

Just hoping things resolve in a peaceful way.

[Kbop]

AMEN!

[Nemo]

I agree that it would be best if it did resolve peacefully.  But I think we all know better.

Nemo

[Deathstyle]

ANC is withdrawing Land Expropriation Bill
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-safrica-land-idUSKCN1LD1O3?utm_source=34553&utm_medium=partner

I think they are simply changing tactics given that the international spotlight is on them. Best case is there is slightly more time for Afrikanners to prepare before it gets extremely worse.

More likely ANC will have its proxy street thugs increase their attacks and become even more violent.

[Rogue-Metalsmith]

Hey guys.

All of you are more involved with this discussion than most south africans(whites) are at this point.
I attach a pic for reference.
Historically, The only indigenous population that was here in small groups were the Khoi-san people-nomadic tribes in groups.

Now to be clear- The masses of people being stirred up for this mass slaughter are being fed utter lies.
1. They are told they should take back the land because it does not belong to the Afrikaner (there are documented land barter transactions that happened between the Afrikaner and then Khoi-san inhabitants for land)
2. They are told twisted historic lies (many of the black population today do not know that Mandela was a terrorist (yes he spent his time in jail and exited a reformed man and did great things (which are now being dragged through the mud by his own party the ANC)
3.The black majority believes they are owed land because it was promised to them by the ANC 20 years ago- this is just another political game ploy.
4.When you look at the general Black culture in Africa they believe everything is owed to them and do not have to work for things-they get by with the minimum and prefer to live in shacks and drive their BMW's and have DSTV they watch with stolen power which is adding to the crippling of the country.
5. Whenever things don't go their way they pitch up strikes and wreck infrastructure.
This has been going on for 20 years more and more till it has become so everyday no one bats an eyelash about it anymore because the average Joe is left with no power or Justice to help correct this situation going on.
6.The latest onslaught is again foreigners (Somalians and Pakistani's mostly)are being targeted to be driven out of the country (like xenophobia)-i have not seen many Zimbabweans lately
It seems they are calling on the masses to burn down foreigner shops and also houses of the people renting property to foreigners, even warehouses and industrial areas are being targeted.)

Now with this said we know the following:
There have been predictions of a great slaughter for a long long time.
Looking at the failing economy and the failed infrastructure, failed health care, failed public works, failed governance in general you can see the cogs of society grinding to chokingly horrid halt.

Silly example:We cannot renew our licences because so many of our licence renewal stations have been closed due to corruption or theft/ or have been burnt down.

People may now argue whatever they wish about the following but this i can say. Afrikaner people have overall a helpful and friendly neighborly attitude. until things stopped working like they should, we stopped engaging on any platform with blacks in general in fear of prosecution and wrongful imprisonment-why? because you cannot argue with a fool- in simple terms.

Why do we not rise up? because we are outnumbered it use to be said 10 to 1, but in all likelihood we are outnumbered at least 20 to 1 (immigrants and population rise)

I would like to hear what your thoughts are on what i have mentioned so far?
You could find everything i have mentioned here in either statistics on google or articles.

I have told JM that i fear the worst, i think in a way everyone knows what is coming but is denying the possibility that it is coming sooner. Things have been set in motion by government that cannot be undone.
And for interest sake i need to mention that locally if it was declared land expropriation without compensation is withdrawn it would have made news on every station and paper in sight.
It has not stopped, it won't stop, they have pushed this so far there is no going back- they have riled up the masses.
What is done has been done- and yes i see all your references to Hitler's reign of terror in their actions. I think we all do.

We deny how bad things are because we have always somehow risen from the ashes.
Anglo boere war, Bush wars, wars on our borders, all the way back to the first Afrikaner settlers who battled with the Zulu's.
but it is not just us, it is all of us, each respective nation and ethnicity. This will affect every person in this country no matter what color you are or flag you wave, take away your farmer and you all will starve.
I have heard word that many big farmers are not going to sow or plant this year.
The repercussions will be felt by this country for years to come.

Regret is always felt when it is too late.

So here we all are, we few that have now become fewer (yet are still many?) (the great exodus from south-africa's self implosion)

Those of us left stannding will be the one's who rebuild, who pick up the pieces.
Question is if it will be all out war?
Or will the silent murdering off simply continue?

I have no idea what is being written accurately about any of the events happening here. And in which perspective it is then viewed by other countries?
All i know is what IS happening down here on the ground - real-time.

But because i fear prosecution like pretty much everyone else, we do not speak of it.
My 10 cents anyway.

Kind regards
RM
 

[gadget99]

Things like this do tend to make me feel that the future of our species is way to fragile. We continue to repeat cycles of such destructive behaviour towards each other.

I am praying for everyone down there. My pessimistic self is not surprised that this is happening. Our species seems unable to learn any significant lessons.