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Title: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: APX808 on April 19, 2013, 12:56:19 PM
As the gov can't deploy the army in the streets, they just turned the police into an army, check these pictures from Boston

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Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: crudos on April 19, 2013, 01:35:31 PM
At least it appears their EO Techs are installed correctly.  ;D
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: 1000meterstare on April 19, 2013, 01:37:09 PM
Shit, I didn't have that much hardware in Iraq. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: crudos on April 19, 2013, 01:38:07 PM
Shit, I didn't have that much hardware in Iraq.
I hope they know how all their new toys work.
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: Kentactic on April 19, 2013, 01:42:00 PM
Not a single shark with a lazer on its head. They are so out gunned...

In all seriousness though... Not loving these images.

If were on the same team then stop flagging your team mates. Civillian homes arent "a safe direction" you have no target. Muzzle down bitch.
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: CrookedSights on April 19, 2013, 02:43:48 PM
If were on the same team then stop flagging your team mates. Civillian homes arent "a safe direction" you have no target. Muzzle down bitch.

I'll have you know, that those homes are improperly ventilated.
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: Kentactic on April 19, 2013, 03:03:20 PM
If were on the same team then stop flagging your team mates. Civillian homes arent "a safe direction" you have no target. Muzzle down bitch.

I'll have you know, that those homes are improperly ventilated.

Fire at will!! Lol
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: WhiteWolfReloaded on April 19, 2013, 03:08:31 PM
 :o The fuck? America is so screwed. Is it wrong to find yourself agreeing with the Ayatollah? He seems to think we're screwed too.
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: thatGuy on April 19, 2013, 05:59:50 PM
So fucked... super fucked...
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: CrystalHunter1989 on April 19, 2013, 06:03:28 PM
So fucked... super fucked...

Not exactly...remember the Dorner case? Just because they look the part doesn't mean they can play it well. I think it's posturing more than anything, a feel-good measure.

Those APCs on the other hand...
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: Alex1992 on April 19, 2013, 06:14:57 PM
Man those guys cocked and locked I can only imagine what SHTF and WROL would actually look like  [img]http://bestsmileys.com/ar  [img]http://www.smileydesign.n
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: RS762 on April 19, 2013, 06:22:54 PM
2nd picture from the top.
Fatass on the right with the benelli.

If this guy passes their PT requirements we might be OK.
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: APX808 on April 19, 2013, 08:57:24 PM
@walker, problem is not the color of their clothing but their:

* body armor
* assault weapons
* APCs

Besides that we have martial law, and the "police" doing door by door searches, all because of a wounded 19 years old guy.
Posse comitatus exists for a reason, if you find this silly, maybe you are in the wrong forum.
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: crudos on April 19, 2013, 11:14:09 PM
Some good posts Walker.
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: Reaver on April 19, 2013, 11:18:08 PM
Walker.
Your a level headed dude.

I think the majority here is saying what COULD be. Not what this particular case IS.
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: 1000meterstare on April 20, 2013, 01:23:38 AM
Bullshit, Walker.  Thank you for engaging in a game of semantics AND mental masturbation.  What do you call not being allowed to be on the streets, engage in commerce, freely associate, etc.  Even the lamestream media called it "lockdown."  If that's not martial law then what the fuck is?  I'm glad there will always be rationalizing sellout like you around.  Enjoy your slumber. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: special-k on April 20, 2013, 03:44:58 AM
[sarcasm]
It looks, acts, walks, talks, sounds, feels, and smells like martial law..... but it's really only a big fluffy bunny for our safety. 
[/sarcasm]


@Walker   (http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/fighting/trout-slap.gif)
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: APX808 on April 20, 2013, 04:04:43 AM
<sarcasm>
Yeahhh totally normal to wake up and find snipers on your backyard pointing through your window meanwhile 10 armored guys with assault weapons and APCs go door by door getting inside every home looking for a 19 year old wounded guy.

Or getting detained because of walking in the university.

Or having checkpoints to inspect your personal belongings.

All of that without warrants...

Perfectly normal
</sarcasm>

If the reason for this is just a fugitive guy, they can justify it to be applied in every state every day.

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety, Franklin.

Call it as you wish, in my book is martial law and it fucking sucks.


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Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: APX808 on April 20, 2013, 06:10:12 AM
Maybe instead of falling into an alternate dimension, you just bought gov's speech that there are reasons to take away people's natural rights.

Are you in love with TG? You mention him in every one of your posts :P
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: Reaver on April 20, 2013, 06:43:55 AM
Maybe instead of falling into an alternate dimension, you just bought gov's speech that there are reasons to take away people's natural rights.

Are you in love with TG? You mention him in every one of your posts :P

I am.

I would willingly let him play with my tant
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: special-k on April 20, 2013, 07:20:34 AM
I am.

I would willingly let him play with my tant

(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/sick/vomit-into-the-toilet.gif)
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: Reaver on April 20, 2013, 07:31:12 AM
These iPads are crazy........


Did you guys know they read thoughts and publish them in open forums without your permission.
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: RalphP on April 20, 2013, 07:41:27 AM
If YOUR wife, 8 year old boy, and friends were just senselessly murdered or just had their legs blown off by some scumbag.  Really, close your eyes and try to feel what would could be going through your mind. 

What would YOU do, or at least WANT to be done? 

I might want DNA samples taken from every person in the country to find my child's rapist too, but that would be a far worse crime than the rape itself. 

House to house searches are an urban warfare tactic, so the Mass. police got some good training in here.  It's also the trademark of oppressive regimes throughout history.  It was decreed and carried out by a highly militarized 'police' force including federal troops and federally funded equipment supplied from our own benevolent DHS.  They locked down almost an entire city, violated the rights of thousands of citizens, just to locate 2 murderers with a couple guns and some pipe bombs.  More people will be killed on Mass. highways today than were killed by these two losers.  It has probably set the precedent for how police will respond to these events in the future though, so I guess we better get used to it. 

This is why I have little faith in the so called Oath Keepers - did even one officer, agent, or guardsman object to their orders to search citizens and their homes without probable cause or a warrant?
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: APX808 on April 20, 2013, 08:27:52 AM
What someone would do if lost family is irrelevant, because in a highly emotional state you can't think clearly, that's why laws are not made at funeral services.

@RalphP, great post man, that summarizes the issue real good.

@Reaver, it was about time for you to let out your feelings man... Good, good, I like to see a sensitive Reaver :P

Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: Kentactic on April 20, 2013, 09:43:34 AM
Walker its one thing to lock down a block because you know hes in there. Its totally different to lock down a good chunk of a state because you saw him run uhhhhh... THATA WAY!...

Ralph brings up a good point. It pisses me off when they go overkill and play army men in America. Sprawled out in the street, Scanning through their optics... Walk fuckin normal point your damn gun in the dirt and find the guy. If residents of mass. Had guns the guy would have nowhere to run.
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: CrookedSights on April 20, 2013, 10:42:12 AM
Walker you're using an emotional argument.

 As far as I know the lockdown was "voluntary" I'm sure the searches of cars, homes and persons weren't. I'd love to see a video of someone refusing a search, probably would have been stripped down cuffed and paraded around for the cameras... I genuinely feel bad for that guy. Having 9,000 plus officers from various departments and federal agencies going full retard to lockdown an entire city to find one guy only to  have a civilian out for a walk find him... priceless. And the clearing of airspace around the area... Drones? What drones?

Martail law? No, militarization of local and state police departments yes. Along with all that federally subsidized gear to local departments not only comes with strings attached but massively inflated egos and an us verse them mentality. I'm not against the police so long as they follow the law and are respectful of me, my rights and property. I have several family members that are officers, some I wouldn't trust to make toast others, I'm glad they carry a badge.
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: 1000meterstare on April 20, 2013, 10:49:02 AM
Hey Walker, guess what?  If the lowliest scumbag doesn't get his Miranda and other rights then neither do the rest of us.  In the aggregate that is MUCH more important than who got killed and maimed when.  It is you who are making the emotional argument by that "family member" strawman argument.  I'm talking about the health of our Republic and what it was founded on.  We are a sick, dying nation.

No where in the Constitution is a proviso for a suspension of the Bill of Rights for an "emergency."  Whether it is real, perceived, faked, hyped, or otherwise.
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: CrystalHunter1989 on April 20, 2013, 10:51:17 AM
I think I can summarize the point of this thread......S*** be wack, yo!
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: sledge on April 20, 2013, 10:52:12 AM
Looking at the pictures from Watertown yesterday I am just amazed at all of the great photography.  I guess in the middle of a LE investigation they must have felt the need to document their "civilian police" actions with images.  So I guess they must have embedded photographers within the swat units.

I have a feeling Watertown was about a lot more than capturing a terrorist.

I'm still trying to figure out why police need military concealment garb in an urban environment to do their job.  It seems to me the cop questioning the guy on the bike in his blues was being just as effective.

Bottom line it's about intimidation.  The photo's are to get Amerikan citizens used to these kind of scenes in their streets.  Amerika was given a dose of the new normal yesterday. 
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: CrookedSights on April 20, 2013, 10:59:23 AM
I might be wrong but they don't need to read you your miranda rights unless they are interrogating you. If they don't mirandize you prior to interrogation, whatever you say is inadmissible in court. They're not mirandizing him to get more intel out of him. Full disclosure... I do not believe or have the slightest sense that there is any conspiracy here.
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: APX808 on April 20, 2013, 11:52:41 AM
This guy as suspected terrorist has no right to Miranda Rights or a lawyer or shit, his only right is to get his ass Patriot Acted and NDAAed.

American terror suspects can be indefinitely detained without a lawyer in military prison camps (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCII9_Ctz_w#ws)
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: thatGuy on April 20, 2013, 05:32:12 PM
Wow guys, a lot of great comments and some not so great. I really like where most are going with this and I really like that you guys dog piled walker for being wrong (so wrong) but did so without landing elbow first on the poor guy!

I've been watching this deal from a distance and am disgusted by the reaction of my countrymen.

These kids left their bags on the curb and just walked away, I wonder if anyone said "hey dude, you left your bag!"

And if they did, what did they do when dude gave them the shady look over the shoulder and hauled ass?

If we set the theories aside and look at this event and others like it we shouldn't see a failing of the Justice System or the Police we should see a failing of our Countrymen. We shouldn't want the Police to maintain 'safety corridors,' we shouldn't want the FBI to super suspicious of every member of society.

We should be willing to take our concerns for our safety into our own hands.

I feel the need to answer the question of what I would do if it was one of my own, I have people I care deeply about in Boston. My brother in law, his wife, a childhood friend and her wife who live in Boston as well a a dear friend and his young family who visit town when he is 'in port.'

Would I want the God given rights of the good people of Boston violated because someone hurt them?

Would I want the police to terrorize the people under the guise of defending them?

I know this is bad timing but freedom isn't free. If we are to live in a free society then this crap can happen.

I don't want to live in a police state.

Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: CrookedSights on April 20, 2013, 06:15:18 PM
TG, only a small percentage of the general populace would notice a tiger mauling the guy next to him on any given day let alone and unattended bag. Then whenever something happens suddenly everyone's an ace in SA. If there's an unattended coffee cup on the ground on the opposite side of the country or a small firework goes off in a trashcan in an almost empty park you gotta bring in the FBI... Seriously the last one happened. After a week everyone goes back to being the clueless mindless drones that they are. Sadly the only thing that will change that is the inevitable increase of events like this.
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: thatGuy on April 20, 2013, 07:05:50 PM
CS, I can't say you're wrong...

Suspicious package found on University of New Mexico Campus (http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico/albuquerque/Bomb-squad-gives-all-clear-at-UNM-dental-center/-/9153728/19818914/-/oonhah/-/index.html)
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: Reaver on April 20, 2013, 09:34:44 PM
The reason they don't read the rights and " arrest " in the hospital is so that they wont have to cover his bill. Once he's released they pick him up and he's stuck with the bill. They do that shit all the time.
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: Outonowhere on April 21, 2013, 01:52:58 AM
First off let's remember that these guys were just SUSPECTS.  They were not tried and convicted except in the court of (media) "public opinion".  There is nothing aside from the word of Big Sis (and supposedly the guy that lost half himself that day) telling us that these guys did this.  What happened with their backpacks?  If you were a student with a bag weighing 25 fucking pounds loaded with college books wouldn't you drop it in that situation to be better able to GTFO?


As to the response... WOW.

Just as been shown with enhanced interrogation you tend to get shitty results going full retard as they did.  They had only just put out the SUSPECTS info and pic asking the public for help locating them... but then they shut down the city?  (Funny how they say only to look at the pics they release and immediately shut down the press conference so quickly when the official story was questioned).  And yet it was a citizen that stumbled across him only AFTER the "lockdown" had been lifted.  Imagine that! 

(http://www.davecopeland.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Chopper2.jpg)
(http://shtfplan.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Boston-martial-law5.jpg)
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/130419110619-37-boston-manhunt-0419-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg)
(http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/WatertownMA_19Apr1013-225x300.jpg)
Are hummers now standard police issue?

Wow, this looks familiar....
(http://media2.s-nbcnews.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Slideshows/_production/ss-130416-boston-aftermath/ss-130416-boston-aftermath-10.ss_full.jpg)
http://investmentwatchblog.com/historic-moment-this-is-what-martial-law-looks-like/ (http://investmentwatchblog.com/historic-moment-this-is-what-martial-law-looks-like/)

Why do we pay these "Peace Officers" if "Officer safety" has trumped the natural born rights of our citizens?  Don't dare question my intentions with this statement as I want every man and woman wearing a badge to make it home safely at end of shift.  Empower the people to protect themselves and there is no need for a government that can only pretend to do so while imprisoning the people.

(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr310/HeynowComics/catsfascism2.jpg)
(http://www.sportfishermen.com/board/attachments/f17/249354d1366511626t-625643_329170030544560_1370692850_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: tominphx on April 21, 2013, 05:05:07 AM
@walker, problem is not the color of their clothing but their:

* body armor
* assault weapons
* APCs

Who cares what their tools are? It's the tactics that should be disturbing.

Also, I assume I'm not the only one who saw them all bunched together and thought it would make for a much easier target, especially for an IED.
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: Reaver on April 21, 2013, 06:00:57 AM
@walker, problem is not the color of their clothing but their:

* body armor
* assault weapons
* APCs

Who cares what their tools are? It's the tactics that should be disturbing.

Also, I assume I'm not the only one who saw them all bunched together and thought it would make for a much easier target, especially for an IED.


Is it bad that I have already developed engagement protocols for these tactics? I have saved and studied every picture posted plus about 50 others for a total of about 15 hours now.

I haven't posted much been reserved and thinking, planning.

I don't think I can post my thoughts.

Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: APX808 on April 21, 2013, 06:38:44 AM
@walker, problem is not the color of their clothing but their:

* body armor
* assault weapons
* APCs

Who cares what their tools are? It's the tactics that should be disturbing.

Also, I assume I'm not the only one who saw them all bunched together and thought it would make for a much easier target, especially for an IED.

I think the tools matter, because were the key of this thread that is "posse comitatus loophole", as they can't use military, although we can see some in some pictures (maybe national guard), they turned the police force into a military force.

In regards to tactics...

just after I mention their "tools" I mention that they declared martial law, and were doing door by door searches, that I think is worse, because is in direct violation of people's rights.

I agree they are not moving "too tactically" maybe because of lack of training, maybe to not scare even more the local population, if they were doing dynamic entries in every home they would had destroyed every house in the city.

An IED would fuck em up for sure, but performing a sweep in an inhabited urban area to avoid them is fucking hard, maybe they have a forward unit providing security to the main group in the middle doing the door by door searches, sadly I can't know just from the pictures how they were moving.

If someone had engaged them, that would had been bad for the neighborhood, too much observers in wooden houses, and it would had been extremely bad for the attacker too much troops well equipped, heavily armored, with air support and in a locked down city, you can kiss your ass goodbye.

It would be nice to read your thoughts Reaver
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: Reaver on April 21, 2013, 07:26:58 AM
APX, I would love to publish my findings and my thoughts, though I honestly am kind of in fear to.

Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: sledge on April 21, 2013, 07:36:41 AM
APX, I would love to publish my findings and my thoughts, though I honestly am kind of in fear to.


Yeah, we don't want this to go the way of the booby trap thread.  PM's are available for those private types of conversations.  [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: Reaver on April 21, 2013, 07:48:36 AM
the problem with private is it only helps one individual.  :-[

The booby trap thread was fucking awesome if I don't say so myself.  :))
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: JohnyMac on April 21, 2013, 09:37:11 AM
Mmmmmm. Interesting exchange of idea's and comments.

I have been in Dallas Since Thursday sequestered in training. Sitting at DFW as I read/type.

The Texans are PRETTY PISSED OFF that all of the news has been focused on Boston and that Barry (was here Friday) didn't visit the town that blew up. Heck, I think there was over 70 people killed and hundreds injured and much property damage.

Next: By the way, it is illegal to have 30 rnd mags in MA. That is for police, military or civilian. I in deed saw many 20 rnd mags (legal) I also saw many LEO's that were sporting 30 rnd mags. Also, bayonet lugs and collapsible are illegal for LEO's and civilians too. Saw a few of those. I wonder if the law was changed for LEO's one dark stormy night in MA. Congress. Just saying.

Last, while I was in Dallas I spoke to my wife a few times and asked her if she was OK. She told me yes and wasn't watching the news as things unfolded. She explained to me that there was way to much hipe and she got board. She also told me that she hoped the peckerwood bomber would come visit her as she would perculate him with the AR 15 she had leaning in the corner.

Keep the debate going on...I am enjoying it. :-)
 
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: crudos on April 21, 2013, 10:10:14 AM
Was on Steve Reichert's FB page, and found this and thought it might add to the discussion....

Quote
I don?t understand all this ?B Strong? crap that everyone and their brother from the Northeast is promoting. Are people really suggesting that Boston is now somehow stronger after this event? Do they think since all the sheople hunkered down together while armed terrorists roamed the streets they are now somehow strong? People ?coming together? and holding hands, having candle light vigils for the dead is not magically making you stronger. Perhaps they think sacrificing liberty for security will make us stronger? If you have not taken steps to become stronger (I.E. making yourself a harder target for both criminals and terrorists to strike) then you?re just the same weak minded, unarmed, crap your pants in the face of danger sheople you were before? BUT since you?re surrounded by so many like-minded defenseless and clueless sheople you feel ?strong?. B Stong? I say BS!

Here's his web page for those unfamiliar with him.
http://stevereichert.com (http://stevereichert.com)
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: APX808 on April 21, 2013, 10:12:42 AM
Here we can see one of the "voluntary" searches.
"Police were filmed ripping people from their homes at gunpoint, marching the residents out with their hands raised in submission, and then storming the homes to perform their illegal searches. "

I remember a few months ago some people talking about the need to prepare for "excessive rule of law" instead of "without rule of law", they were right on the spot.

Police perform house-to-house raids in Watertown MA ripping innocent families from their homes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LrbsUVSVl8#)



Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: CrookedSights on April 21, 2013, 11:07:41 AM
JM, now that you mention it I saw several officers with 20rnd mags in their weapons with 30 rounders in pouches even one in a pouch on a collapsible stock. Didn't understand it, still don't. What about suppressors? I saw a few of them.
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: thatGuy on April 21, 2013, 01:16:18 PM
Thanks for not getting into how someone would counter this, if you are interested in that information it is out there. No need to put it up here too.

I keep reading this thread and I can't help but notice that our collective understanding of Posse Comitatus and the attending Insurrection Act is out of date.

The Force Act of 1870-71 allows for US Military pressense when state authorities are either unable or unwilling to suppress violence that is in opposition to the constitutional rights of the people, i.e. voter intimidation.

In 2006 that shit all went out the window with the 2007 Defense Authorization Bill which allowed for "Use of the Armed Forces in major public emergencies." Whether that be terrorism, natural disaster or...

Turns out they overstepped their bounds with that one and repealed one year later but,

NDAA passed in 2012 which allowed involvement if "A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces" blah blah blah.

And after all that we haven't even began to look at the real exemptions such as the Governor requesting Federal Troops or calling in the National Guard.

Like I said, "we are super fucked."


Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: JohnyMac on April 21, 2013, 01:25:41 PM
It is legal to own a suppressor in MA. as long as you have the proper Treasury stamps for citizens. I can only assume it would be the same for the LEO's

I for got who wrote this comment however I agree. I was rather surprised to see so many out of shape LEO's. If you haven't done so as of yet I would suggest you start working on some PT.

This is a great opportunity for all of us to learn - I think you mentioned that RvR. Study the pics and any others you can find. Keep in mind a few things:

> What the police learned this time; much of it will be fixed for the next. This was a great training opportunity
    for the LEO's to try out all of their new toys. My step brother is a Philly Police Officer. His main job is filming
    events like this to be used for training in the future.
> Get educated on the law. "we think" that we can go back to the 4A of the BOR. That changes (I believe) when
   a emergency is declared. I think the Pres and Governor declared such emergency.
> Film and record such events if you happen to be involved. Do this for sharing with other like minded folks to
   prepare. Also to protect your butt in a court of law.

Our LEO forces have truly been transformed in the last 5 - 8 years. It wasn't all Barry he just continued the programs and maybe added a little accelerator from the Bush years.

Last, learn, plan, train then learn some more, plan some more and train some more.
 
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: APX808 on April 21, 2013, 03:04:00 PM
VIDEO REMOVED BY THE DUTCHEBAG ASSHOLE UNGRATEFUL BITCH AUTHOR REQUEST (?)
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: APX808 on April 21, 2013, 03:22:09 PM
At least you can be sure he isn't a right wing militia kind of guy :P
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: thatGuy on April 21, 2013, 05:02:06 PM
I didn't watch the video, I didn't look into dudes background but I wonder what made you say he is unstable?
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: thatGuy on April 21, 2013, 05:03:48 PM
scratch that...

I watched the vid and looked up the link... no further questions.
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: Outonowhere on April 21, 2013, 06:08:40 PM
WALKER, No one here was talking directly about killing anyone.  What was said was simple theoretical "what if" scenarios that could have been encountered.

And remember, it was THE FEDS that declared this land a "battlefield".
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: RalphP on April 21, 2013, 06:21:44 PM
If we accept this conclusion from Walker's link as an axiom:

Quote
Note that caselaw on these sorts of facts are particularly unlikely for reasons beyond the fortunate rarity of their occurrence. The suspect won?t have Fourth Amendment standing to bring a suit or a motion to suppress to challenge a search of someone else?s house in which he was hiding. See Rakas v. Illinois, 439 U.S. 128 (1978). As a result, only the legitimate residents could bring such actions in a civil case. And if they did bring such suits, qualified immunity would bar recovery unless the violation was clearly established ? which is unlikely here given the novelty of the facts.


Then we have no rights, 4th amendment or otherwise.  Oceania, I mean the United States, has always been at war with Chechnya, and the gov't can always maintain qualified immunity during a time of war.  So what the Feds did in Boston is legal, or at least the victims have no grounds for recovery in any event.  Resisting their 'lawful' entry would be a crime.

But this also happens in war (declared or otherwise):  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8695679/168-children-killed-in-drone-strikes-in-Pakistan-since-start-of-campaign.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8695679/168-children-killed-in-drone-strikes-in-Pakistan-since-start-of-campaign.html)    And if any of those were loved by me, it would piss me off mightily. 

No offense to you Walker, and don't mean to argue.  I think I know where you're coming from and I can respect it.  Just a rant on my part.  I violated my Oath years ago, I didn't need Congress to tell me to go to war to save women from rape and premature babies from being removed from incubators by the Iraqis.  Or, so I was told at the time.   Fool me once, eh?  IMO, many of the world's problems are going to start getting better once the US starts abiding by our own laws and founding principals.  The attack on Boston is blowback, and a direct result of our actions.  Our gov't is using the problem they created as the reason they now have to rescind our rights.
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: Outonowhere on April 21, 2013, 08:12:33 PM
I missed out on that video, it is now private.  Anyone got a copy as we should all be making them as we go
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: APX808 on April 21, 2013, 08:24:03 PM
@Outonowhere, don't worry, although not qualified to give his appreciation of what happened to some of the members of this board, the guy in the video was just saying that the police asked him to get out of his house at gunpoint, that him allowed them because  he was really scared and couldn't even think about saying no to them and that it was a bad experience.

In the following link a reporter tells how she was made to hit the deck at gunpoint meanwhile the police inspected her backpack

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/abc-news-producer-describes-heart-stopping-encounter-with-police-they-thought-i-might-be-the-suspect/ (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/abc-news-producer-describes-heart-stopping-encounter-with-police-they-thought-i-might-be-the-suspect/)

And here we have a "Boston Police" LEO saying hi from the turret of his hummer.

(http://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/69073_359431147491131_1025431122_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: special-k on April 21, 2013, 08:34:53 PM
I missed out on that video, it is now private.  Anyone got a copy as we should all be making them as we go
I found his channel in my history, clicked on it, and found that ALL of his videos have been made private.  He may have accidentally set them all private? OR maybe big brother has censored him?
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: legitamystic on April 21, 2013, 08:49:21 PM
I am the author being slandered here and has libel against him. My video of Legitamystic. You are commiting a crime. Take down my video , website, and quotes now.

You have forgotten this post:

Thanks for finding that APX,  I have some serious doubts about his mental stability, but hey, his perceptions of this incident are "probably" 100% accurate... because his perceptions of reality are like SO COOL.  HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

http://www.psychicheal.com/ (http://www.psychicheal.com/)

"As well, all humans are stuck in this reality. You see, the human condition is such a very physical one. It has been manipulated so (including on a genetic level) to make humans much less than what they were in a previous timeline. However, many extraterrestrials have incarnated who are significantly altering the dna of humans with their consciousness. This has a great impact and should be noted."

"The human being has a bio energetic field. This is proven by science. We can use this energy body for many purposes. In short, this is considered 'sorcery.' Some would call this 'Magic."

"I wanted to at least lightly touch upon this best I could with my varying degrees of understanding. From what I know at this point, our politicians in our world globally are not in control of earth affairs. They are slaves/puppets (perhaps even at best) to the ET captors who have took over the world. Blaming the government is a planned ET psy op to take attention away from the real criminal activity which is infact extraterrestrial."
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: WhiteWolfReloaded on April 21, 2013, 08:53:38 PM
 ??? Da fuck?
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: APX808 on April 21, 2013, 08:58:42 PM
I was who posted your video in the first place and then removed it, and I can't edit other guy's posts.
I removed it just for you to be happy, because sharing a public youtube video isn't a crime
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: legitamystic on April 21, 2013, 08:59:47 PM
I was who posted your video in the first place and then removed it, and I can't edit other guy's posts.
I removed it just for you to be happy, because sharing a public youtube video isn't a crime

Suit yourself
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: thatGuy on April 21, 2013, 09:11:17 PM
Do not engage legitamystic, we are dealing with this.
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: Reaver on April 21, 2013, 09:12:26 PM
VIDEO REMOVED BY THE DUTCHEBAG ASSHOLE UNGRATEFUL BITCH AUTHOR REQUEST (?)


Please tell me someone downloaded it.  [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: WhiteWolfReloaded on April 21, 2013, 09:13:12 PM
Do not engage legitamystic, we are dealing with this.

Sir yes sir. Thought you were messing with us  :))
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: Outonowhere on April 21, 2013, 11:27:12 PM
[url]https://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/liability/IP[/url] ([url]https://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/liability/IP[/url])

+100000

Do not engage legitamystic, we are dealing with this.
Resisting... temp...tation...... AHAhahahahaha! :)) [url=http://yoursmiles.org/p-m
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: Reaver on April 22, 2013, 01:01:08 AM
I don't give a fuck who your looking for. Make entry to my home and reap what you sew.


Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: WhiteWolfReloaded on April 22, 2013, 09:46:52 AM
I don't give a fuck who your looking for. Make entry to my home and reap what you sew.


This   (http://www.smileyvault.co [/color)
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: thatGuy on April 22, 2013, 11:01:58 AM
I was talking with Walker and I would be interested to see if anyone had the balls to say no...
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: special-k on April 22, 2013, 11:37:48 AM
I was talking with Walker and I would be interested to see if anyone had the balls to say no...
Since I'd like to live, these would be my options (for the specific situation in Watertown):

1)  Don't answer the door when they knock.  IF I had observed them going into houses where no one answered, then I would go with option #2.

2)  Answer the door and clearly declare "This is my residence and I do not consent to any search," and then remain silent and follow (under duress) any directions given by the men with rifles pointed at me.

Assuming they would tell me to keep my hands above my head and to leave my property, all while pointing rifles at me;  I would subsequently file a kidnapping complaint against all armed officers present.  Civil action would also be in order.
   
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: CrookedSights on April 22, 2013, 01:51:49 PM
Went for a stroll around town and what do I see at the Police Department? Two woodland painted humvees that I've never seen before, they weren't up armored... yet. I don't know when they got them. They also painted the... I guess it's suppose to be some kind of SWAT vehicle, although we don't have a local SWAT team, from woodland to black. Basically It looks like this http://militarymashup.com/index.php?mmuhash=3d0890cbaa9c1479f69e92eb93dfcab5 (http://militarymashup.com/index.php?mmuhash=3d0890cbaa9c1479f69e92eb93dfcab5) I've only ever it seen it used once when they raided the neighbors and a few officers going full retard charged out like they were storming a beach.
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: JohnyMac on April 22, 2013, 01:52:13 PM
I have only once ever had a police officer come buy and ask to look in my house for an escaped perp. It was summer and the door was open but the screen door was locked.

As she asked for my permission she reached for the door knob and started to turn it to enter. As she was doing this I told her "no you can not search my house and I am the only person here. However if you like, you can look around the perimeter of my house."

We just stared at one another through the screen. She eventually let go of the screen door knob and said thanks and left my property. Never took a gander around it.

My wife and I have discussed this ad nauseam. Like what Special-K wrote we have agreed to say, 'no I will not allow you to come into the house without a search warrant HOWEVER, I will not resist if you force yourself in."

I would hope for grounds of a lawsuit in the future.
 
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: CrookedSights on April 22, 2013, 01:55:05 PM
Note to self, buy video camera.
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: thatGirl on April 22, 2013, 05:18:25 PM
If you find yourself at a loss for words when you open the door, just repeat after Moroney...

Moroney Addresses the Court (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei2WhctlRHY#)
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: 1000meterstare on April 23, 2013, 11:22:52 AM
Walker, most of the forum did not advocate violence on anybody, we just asked you to acknowledge "in-your-face" martial law for what it really is.  If you choose to stay in denial then that is your business; but at that point it becomes stupidity and no longer ignorance because it is a conscious choice. 

I'm currently in North Dakota on a job search.  As North Dakota ranks very high on the freedom index I actively looked for LEO's on purpose the second I crossed the border whether on patrol in vehicles or uniform.  It took me 5 days here to see my first LEO, a sheriff's deputy having lunch.  I went 4 more days after that before seeing another.  (I'm currently in a city of 55k and NEVER see LEO's).  Maybe ND doesn't need police.  Not exactly a hotbed of crime and terrorism up here.  BTW - everyone has jobs as well.  What a concept!  Police aren't really NEEDED!  The state and the media has brainwashed you into THINKING you need them. http://www.arrse.co.uk/at   (http://www.freesmileys.or [img)
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: JohnyMac on April 23, 2013, 04:07:34 PM
O-Kay, I am at times naive and clearly not the sharpest knife in the drawer so I am sure this question will be poorly received.

Why are our law enforcement uniforms becoming camouflage uniforms? Is this to condition us to seeing the military in our streets?

Police (especially state police) should have DI hats, jodhpurs trousers and brown knee length boots. Scroll down to Uniforms not camos.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhode_Island_State_Police (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhode_Island_State_Police) 

Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: Reaver on April 23, 2013, 05:14:08 PM
I hate this.
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: special-k on April 24, 2013, 12:10:17 AM
THIS TOPIC HAS SCRUBBED BEEN UNLOCKED. ~ s-k



And now for a movie metaphor about how I spent my last 20 minutes:

BDS This house is clean! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwjxFvXqBUg#ws)
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: WhiteWolfReloaded on April 24, 2013, 12:14:14 AM
Amazing. It's like a time machine.  [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co

Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: Outonowhere on April 24, 2013, 12:20:48 AM
Funny, talked to a cop I know today who said he was fine pretty much with most of what happened EXCEPT with the military being involved.  He was very upset by that.  Still, don't think he is any closer to being awake than he was before as he was constantly making jokes throughout the rest of the conversation.  Some people just love pushing buttons...
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: Outonowhere on April 24, 2013, 12:22:38 AM
THIS TOPIC HAS SCRUBBED BEEN UNLOCKED. ~ s-k



And now for a movie metaphor about how I spent my last 20 minutes:

BDS This house is clean! ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwjxFvXqBUg#ws[/url])

F'in A right man!
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: Outonowhere on April 24, 2013, 12:44:33 AM
BTW here is a pic that should REALLY get people thinking about what fucking happened there...

(http://static.infowars.com/2013/04/i/general/bead.jpg)

Notice the tacti-douche's lack of ballistic headgear whilst riding so high and exposed... just sayin...
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: WhiteWolfReloaded on April 24, 2013, 12:50:33 AM
Funny, talked to a cop I know today who said he was fine pretty much with most of what happened EXCEPT with the military being involved.  He was very upset by that.  Still, don't think he is any closer to being awake than he was before as he was constantly making jokes throughout the rest of the conversation.  Some people just love pushing buttons...

They can't process it. That's the way most the LEO's I know are. It's kind of like how they develop a twisted sense of humor dealing with crimes scenes. If they don't they'll implode. One cop I know has said conversations regularly come up about this sort of thing and the guys in his area have agreed no way they'd cooperate with something like what happened in Boston.

I trust him, but I have my doubts. It's like this, my mom used to take care of this Holocaust survivor named Helen. She survived Dachau just to end up dying in a shitty nursing home with piss poor medical care that VA funds and German reparations barely covered. And the fucking Germans are suing her caretaker, get this, for the money that was used to bury her. Yup.
Anyways, that's besides the point, just still burns my ass. Helen used to always say "The Germans were such a cultured people. I still don't understand how it happened." Same thing is happening here. Our culture is being washed thanks to the polarizer and chief. National identity scrubbed for some Agenda 21 indoctrination. When the shit really hits the fan? People won't refuse to open their doors. Cops won't refuse to "do their jobs." Soldiers won't stand down. How do we know? Because it's all happened before. Shit just finally came knocking on America's door. America was the exception. Past tense.

Don't get me wrong. Some poor brave bastards will do what's right. And we know exactly what will happen. They'll be labeled, tagged, and bagged. The fact that they so willingly spend tax pay dollars to buy all this shit up like kids in a candy store is proof of that. You don't buy without cause or intent. I just keep praying something changes, but after what I just saw Rand Paul do it's obvious it won't come from our elected officials. Which means it'll only come out of revolution. And that's what the US Communist Party wants. There has been a clear method to all this madness. Even if you subtract all the conspiracy theories you can still see it. In Boston 1773 we began the fight for our freedom. In Boston 2013 we bent over and lost it. Sorry if anyone feels I'm being a bit to dramatic. Just speaking from the heart.
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: Reaver on April 24, 2013, 12:54:10 AM
Your heart is true patriot. Your heart is true
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: WhiteWolfReloaded on April 24, 2013, 01:07:03 AM
BTW here is a pic that should REALLY get people thinking about what fucking happened there...

([url]http://static.infowars.com/2013/04/i/general/bead.jpg[/url])

Notice the tacti-douche's lack of ballistic headgear whilst riding so high and exposed... just sayin...


No, what I notice is the person taking the picture should have had a video camera pointed on the prick instead and be yelling out the window something to the effect of "Hey baby dick I'm not a fucking terrorist and if I came over to your house and pointed an AR15 in your front window I'd be arrested wouldn't I? Wouldn't I you smug anti Constitutionalist lap dog? Take that gun and shove it up your ass. That's right baby dick. My tax dollars bought it, your uniform, and vehicles, and pay your salary. That's an order."

Now, some here might think this is aggression aimed towards LEO or the government. Let me be quick to say it's not. It's directed at a dumb son of a bitch pointing a loaded rifle at a INNOCENT CIVILIAN with his finger on the trigger and good eye relief in his sight. I guess those "don't hesitate" targets really do work! Or was this taken by one of the "suspects." Hey, I remember another guy whose house had guns pointed at it.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Guerena_shooting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Guerena_shooting) and then there was this incident in publichttp://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/25/nypd-shooting-bystander-victims-hit-by-police-gunfire/

I mean, come on guys, who needs criminals when you can just be shot by cops?
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: WhiteWolfReloaded on April 24, 2013, 01:09:02 AM
Your heart is true patriot. Your heart is true

Appreciate that man. Yours too. Rare breed nowadays.
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: Reaver on April 24, 2013, 01:11:43 AM
I think the majority of us here are part of that breed....


Strange thinking of how far we've come and how much we've adapted.
It went from L&L prepping for mass civil unrest to the police state.
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: Deathstyle on April 24, 2013, 01:16:28 AM
Repost!


GRAY STATE - Patriots and Traitors in Boston (Broadcast from the Field) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV83CpVOjxg#ws)
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: WhiteWolfReloaded on April 24, 2013, 01:17:30 AM
I think the majority of us here are part of that breed....


Strange thinking of how far we've come and how much we've adapted.
It went from L&L prepping for mass civil unrest to the police state.

Yeah, we kind of missed the civil unrest part and skipped straight in to martial law scenarios. Damn control freaks.
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: special-k on April 24, 2013, 12:14:50 PM
THIS TOPIC HAS BEEN SCRUBBED AND UNLOCKED... AGAIN. 

Many posts by, or in reference, or in response to a certain FORMER straightprep member have been removed and backed up offline.
  A WORD document file is available for your own personal amusement.  Just send a PM request along with an email address.
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: thatGuy on April 24, 2013, 01:39:45 PM
Off topic:

Special-K has done a shit ton of work to keep this thread up and running. We as a community owe him a debt of gratitude.

Thanks brother.

Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: Reaver on April 24, 2013, 01:44:19 PM
Id blow him.....wait what?
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: thatGuy on April 24, 2013, 01:45:48 PM
me too.. what?
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: crudos on April 24, 2013, 01:47:44 PM
Thanks Special-K.  [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: special-k on April 24, 2013, 01:53:07 PM
Id blow him.....wait what?

me too.. what?


Yeah baby, slob that knob!!!

(http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/attachments/993-forum/667301d1348776575-ot-would-you-drive-this-1966-911-austin-powers-yeah-baby-yeah.jpg)
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: sledge on April 24, 2013, 02:20:36 PM
Hmmm, Why did this thread just activate my homophobic tendencies?   :o 

Just kidding, you guys crack me up.  lol.
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: Reaver on April 24, 2013, 03:07:31 PM
We crack you up?
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: JohnyMac on April 24, 2013, 03:30:19 PM
Special-K,
we all know that you do a lot behind the scenes making this forum work. Thanks man!

Now if you could help me with this Microsoft 8 Vision crap, I would give you some grab around in bed!  ;)
 
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: Reaver on April 24, 2013, 03:33:14 PM
Special-K,
we all know that you do a lot behind the scenes making this forum work. Thanks man!

Now if you could help me with this Microsoft 8 Vision crap, I would give you some grab around in bed!

Wow, now that's a bit to far.
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: special-k on April 24, 2013, 03:35:40 PM
Special-K,
we all know that you do a lot behind the scenes making this forum work. Thanks man!

Now if you could help me with this Microsoft 8 Vision crap, I would give you some grab around in bed!  ;)
Well, as much as I could use a good reach around right now, I walked away from anything doing with Microsoft about 4 years ago... and therefore wouldn't be of much help in lending a helping hand (see what I did there?) with your Microsoft problem.
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: APX808 on April 24, 2013, 04:33:36 PM
Here is some more people telling what happened.
No one seems too offended, maybe the press filtered those, or in Mass. a bottle of milk is more valuable than your civil rights.

Police searching House By House the Suspect bombing Boston (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ1-ZUN3Li0#)
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: RalphP on April 24, 2013, 06:11:45 PM
Well I'm no mind reader, but I'd venture a guess that anyone that really wanted to complain would be talking to a lawyer and not ruin the case discussing it on the internet.  I read the ACLU is doing some investigating of its own.

Sad situation either way in my mind.  Either the residents were to scared or submissive to argue, or a case will go to court and they'll lose on the exigent circumstances grounds.  The failure of LE to locate the subject during the search almost guarantees they'll require more personnel and equipment, and less Constitutional restraints, to be successful "next time".
Title: Re: Posse comitatus loophole
Post by: Outonowhere on April 24, 2013, 11:01:42 PM
Great job Special-K and thanks for your hard work... tho I am sad my snickers comment is gone lol  PM incoming!  :))