10M Illegals In The Country With Winter Coming What Will Happen?

[JohnyMac]

The collapse is coming folks and it will take the form of 10M desperate people who are trying to survive a harsh winter. It is the Cloward & Piven wet dream come home to roost - Collapse the system.

There are illegal alien camps everywhere these days. National & State forests, behind your local grocery store living in the woods by day and rooting through the dumpsters at night. They are shacked up in abandoned buildings and houses. They are living in church's who claim to be sanctuaries. So what would you do if you were one of these illegals? Have you asked yourself this question Yet? Remember that it isn't just family groups it is military age men who have nothing to loose.

Is this a real danger or a perceived one promoted by the likes of myself and some here on UP?

I am lucky in that I belong to a strong MAG. A group that is not only connected by technology but amateur radio. Are you?

Seriously, what is your plan folks? Share it here so others might be able to prepare too.

 

[pkveazey]

I'm going to skip down to the MAG thing for my comment. According to the experts, whoever they are, very few "Lone Wolves" will survive. I've heard all the reasons, and I personally think the experts are correct. Some form of MAG or coalition of several MAG's is going to be necessary for those who "Bug In" as opposed to those who "Bug Out". My MAG is quite small, but we all live very close together (within 1/4 mile) There is one member who is 3 miles away, but all MAG members have a two-way radio. When it all goes bad, I'm going to have to connect with a lot more neighbors and either have them join my MAG or at least form their own MAG and then form a coalition of several MAGS. Indian Chief Powhatan in Virginia formed a coalition of 35 tribes a few years before the first settlers arrived and nobody dared to mess with any of the tribes associated with his coalition. That is the same principle that we have to follow with our MAGS.

[Felix]

Am I screwed?

I live in a long, narrow valley, bounded by fairly steep slopes wooded in Ponderosa Pines, line-of-sight limited, lots of cover for movement along the ridges.   All less than 8 miles from the edges of Flagstaff (population estimated @ 100k if including NAU students and "summer people").

At least half of neighbors will be voting for "Kamalalalala".
NOBODY has a garden like I do.   A few hunt, mostly not.

Relocating at this point is beyond my means.   And yes, I have looked at property in the Midwest (MO & AR) - but have decided against the heat/humidity/insects, moving costs, physical/mental strain...

I have a well found lifeboat of a place, properly stocked with provisions (capacity/endurance?)  but NO formal MAG, NO organized talk of putting one together or even its need.      Waiting for events to force people into facing what lies ahead is where it's at, even though I know failing to plan is planning to fail.   Ya just can't herd cats unless the pussies and motivated I reckon.    Motivation will be coming late, like a deadline for that critical term paper barely fleshed out but due in a few days...

Wasn't looking forward to spending more money on security before getting solar water pumping online but... solar powered motion-detector lighting and a thermal monocular are moving up in priority on the list...

[JohnyMac]

remember, ya' have your children that may come around when the SHTF. 

[grizz]

Maybe they'll start burning their own flags to keep warm 

[JohnyMac]

Grizz, 

[Felix]

Yes.   The collapse IS coming.
And its form will present more than civil strife - it almost certainly will include financial horror as well.
None other than Jamie Dimon (head of JP Morgan/Chase) is dropping "hints".    Bottom line, our economy is on an unsustainable spiral down, addicted and now overdosing on debt.   Default of inflation the only way forward as efforts to "kick the can down the road" lose their effectiveness.   The trend line is one of more and more "stimulus" required to achieve less and less "growth".   Volatility in markets _might_ provide an illusion for hope that they are capable of recovery.    Don't be fooled.
The coming drop in interest rates will be hailed for "stimulating the economy".    And it _might_ drive equities prices higher.   A lot higher as stock _prices_ reflects true inflation (the erosion of actual buying power)   But the truth remains, America is consuming far more than it is producing and in the end (or on the way to the end)... inflation cannot be tamed.    In fact, it is the "only way out" according to some who puzzle over how we can afford to continue rolling interest payments over on the non-repayable national debt.
My best guess?   A developing "hyper-inflation" will begin to appear next year - neither candidate for President able to do much about it.
"Newcomers" won't be _able_ to afford food.    Their NGOs won't be able to afford enough food.    Normal Americans will lose weight and experience even more malnutrition.
"Victory gardens"?     
Nope.
Survival gardens.
And the willingness/ability to guard it from poaching.

"Stores of value"?   Maybe precious metals -IF their actual worth/liquidity is not confiscated by tyrants.
Heirloom seeds and good soil?    Truly priceless.

[grizz]

I'm as ready as I can be as I'm sure 99% of everyone on this site can say.

Illegals in this state are few but they are here. Our population of homeless and druggies is pretty high in Anchorage and they are spreading like weeds to the rest of the State. When the colder weather gets here it will be interesting. I cant say for sure how they will react but I can tell you a few places they will not go 

I always notice people carrying and the past few months I've noticed more of them. Which is good because they are on my side and will more than likely be there when needed. I know a few CCW people say they only carry to protect themselves and their families with plans to run and hide if anything does not directly affect them. I think this is sad because "it" may not affect them today but I guarantee it will sometime in the future. We stand together or fall apart!!

[JohnyMac]

Grizz, many will move to Seattle. When we lived in Seattle, starting in November, the homeless grew by an easy 300%. Seattle also pays a small sum monthly to all homeless. When we lived there (1980 - 1995) it was around $300- a month in 1995. I am sure it is higher today.

It is all interesting for sure.

 

[Jackalope]

And half in jest..illegal aliens, the other white meat.

[pkveazey]

We've got some really nasty stuff coming our way. I've always known it, but it seems to be just around the corner now. I've spent a lot of time, money, and effort preparing for whatever happens. The odd thing is...... I hope it was all a waste of time. I hope I'm right but I'm pretty sure I'm wrong. I actually think that 2025 will be the year that we all will suffer. I like Trump OK, but I think we have gone too far for him to actually be effective in fixing our Country. Our Country is going to be a very dangerous place in at least a dozen ways. The Marxist have known for a long time that forcing the general population into abject poverty will make them easy Slaves to whatever breadcrumbs they throw their way. While the Sheeple think that the Government will save them, they will find out the hard way when they end up with a leash and collar around their necks. I'm probably wrong, but I think that distancing and divorcing myself from the system is my only hope of survival. I'm absolutely certain of one thing. The Government will do whatever it takes for it to survive and the Citizens be damned. In 1918, the Russian population was only about 10% Communist, yet they took total control of the country because the people just stood by and watched. 

[grizz]

We've got some really nasty stuff coming our way. I've always known it, but it seems to be just around the corner now. I've spent a lot of time, money, and effort preparing for whatever happens. The odd thing is...... I hope it was all a waste of time. I hope I'm right but I'm pretty sure I'm wrong. I actually think that 2025 will be the year that we all will suffer. I like Trump OK, but I think we have gone too far for him to actually be effective in fixing our Country. Our Country is going to be a very dangerous place in at least a dozen ways. The Marxist have known for a long time that forcing the general population into abject poverty will make them easy Slaves to whatever breadcrumbs they throw their way. While the Sheeple think that the Government will save them, they will find out the hard way when they end up with a leash and collar around their necks. I'm probably wrong, but I think that distancing and divorcing myself from the system is my only hope of survival. I'm absolutely certain of one thing. The Government will do whatever it takes for it to survive and the Citizens be damned. In 1918, the Russian population was only about 10% Communist, yet they took total control of the country because the people just stood by and watched. 

History is repeating itself, AGAIN!!!

[Nemo]

And half in jest..illegal aliens, the other white meat.

I spent a few years (25) doing EMT ambulance volunteer organization.  One time I picked up parts from a small plane crash and a couple car/train crashes.  Gray matter is gray and people meat is red.

Nemo

[Nemo]

In 1918, the Russian population was only about 10% Communist, yet they took total control of the country because the people just stood by and watched. 

I really hope (and believe because I must) that more than 20% of the people here would resist.

Nemo