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The Redoubts Chicken Experiment
« on: February 01, 2019, 01:11:06 PM »
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This quick DIY article is our excursion into chicken wrangling. If you would like to read the article in published mode and see the pics that accompany the article, please click on the link below.
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The Seed is sowed

January 1, 2018 found my wife and I sharing bread with a large group of like-minded folks here at the cabin. Not necessarily politically like-minded folks but self-sufficient types. The discussion circled around replenishable resources in situations where money stopped coming into the household needed for food, heat, mortgage, doctor bills, et cetera. This lack of income could be as simple as an hour cut back at a job on up to a SHTF drama.

The discussions circled around growing and raising your own food, procuring your own fuel for heating & cooking. Then what could one do if their job disappeared in its entirety with no revenue coming in.  The one issue that seemed to generate the most discussion was growing and raising one’s own food.

All my friends have gardens of different sizes and we only grow heirloom crops that produce well in our environment. The seeds are saved each year from our crops and we trade our seeds from the same varieties among us to maintain a healthy crop for seasons to come. Once we beat that topic to death, we moved onto raising critters for protein.

Only one family in the group does this at any great depth. They raise pigs, rabbits, ducks, meat & egg chickens, turkey’s, sheep, goats and a small herd of Scottish Highlanders. They raise this livestock while both husband and wife work full time jobs. They butcher and process everything on their small farm except for the pigs and cattle which go off to a butcher. I also raise a pig a year that they graciously allow us to keep with their pigs. We chip in for the feed and help as needed.

During this discussion the wife of the farming couple suggested that I should start to raise chickens as they are easy to raise, and they are replenishable at a greater and quicker rate than cattle let’s say. With that suggestion I started to plan to build a chicken coup, buy some hens, and see where this venture led my wife and me this coming year.

The Coop

As I do with every project, I worked on the research first which started in earnest one snowy March day with little else to do but keep shoveling the porch and keeping the wood stove stoked up. I read everything on line and then between snow storms went to the town’s small library to check out and order additional books on this subject.  Once I had in my minds eye read enough about chickens, I started to plan the chicken coup. The text book that helped me the most was Building Chicken Coops for Dummies by Todd Brock, Dave Zook and Rob Ludlow which I eventually purchased and returned to the library their copy.

I wanted my coop to house up to 24 hens. With a chicken needing approximate 2 sf of space to be raised humanly for a nice long life the foot print for my chicken coop became 5 ft wide and 8 ft long. I decided to go with a slanted roof so one side of the coop was 5 ft tall while the other was 6 ft. This made the coop a walk-in coop which makes maintenance and cleaning easy.

The coop was built on two pressure treated 6x6 in posts with the ends cut at a 45-degree angle. With four ¾ in galvanized eye bolts added to the coop’s base posts or skids, I could easily pull the coop with my tractor to different parts of our property.

I know for healthy chickens you need a lot of air circulation hence this coop had 4-windows with the back end being made up of 3-doors. Two of which I could open for circulation in the summer plus egress ingress to the insides of the coop and a door I could drop down for ease of cleaning out the coop several  times a year.

I just drive the tractor up to the back of the coop open the two doors and drop the one and the whole back-end of the coop is open. Put the tractors bucket up to the level of the floor and just shovel out the used bedding right into the tractor bucket. Then off to the garden.
Last the coop was designed with two, 4-sectioned nesting boxes located on each side of the coop. The roof of the nesting boxes could be raised from the outside so there was no need to go into the coop to collect the eggs.

April rolled around and my interest on building the chicken coop had wained as spring chores kicked in. Tilled our 1,800-sf garden and planted our March started seedlings’ Memorial Day weekend. One of our group stopped by to check in on my progress and asked about the chicken project. Seeing that the project had taken a backseat he offered his time, money, and expertise for half of the eggs. My friend is a 70+ farmers son so a good guy to have around for all kinds of practical skills used on a self-sufficient farm. I hesitantly thanked him for his kind offer and immediately changed the subject. I had a lot on my plate already or so I thought. Later that night, I got an email from a friend recommending a book he just read titled, Shatter by Thomas Sherry. I downloaded the eBook version and started to read it that night.

Not to give the whole story line away of Shatter, it was an apocalyptic book and if it was not for their chickens which they used for food, bribes, and barter the family would surly have perished during the beginning of their SHTF drama. The next day I called the local lumber store and ordered the supplies we would need. Next, I called my friend who had offered his help, to set up a day to start the coop. Be careful what you volunteer for here.

The materials used in the build cost just shy of $500.00. I did have several packs of shingles left over from the cabin build plus some other components. If I had bought all the materials from scratch, I estimate the cost would have been around $700.00.
With the help of my neighbor and my 14-year old ham radio friend from across the road, we started the build. All in all, it took a combined of 49 hours to build then another 5-hours to paint. If you did this by yourself it probably would take a bit longer. By the way, 14-year old’s take a bit longer to paint something and are a bit messier than the average adult. Filed that away for later projects.

The Chickens

As mentioned earlier the coop is built on two 6x6’s 8-feet long. This allowed me to drag or reposition the coop easily with my tractor. Once the coop was done and positioned for the upcoming winter it was painted and chickens ordered.

We decided on 6-Barred Plymouth Rocks and 6-Rhode Island Red pullets which I ordered from Ideal Poultry in Texas. I received an email from Ideal Poultry several days after I ordered the chicks letting me know that the chicks would be at my post office the next day and requested that I contact the Post Office to let them know they were arriving. I did as was requested and left my phone number to be notified soon as they showed up, with the Post Master.

I received a call from the post office the following morning that the chicks were in. Picked up the chirping box, took them home to be placed in a big card board box in the corner of the coop with some water and chick food. That night it got down to the low 40’s so my neighbor loaned me a heat lamp for the young’uns. They were left in the card board box for a little over a week so they could get their sea legs under them. I have read it was not good to let them roam on bedding like pine shavings which we use, till their legs are strong enough to do so. One day I caught one of the chicks trying to climb out of the box, their second home so I let them all out in the coop to roam freely. Then put their old home on its side which gave them security when wanted but the ability to roam at their leisure.

About the middle of June, they had grown a bunch and were sporting their post chick foliage. I could tell who the Barr Rocks and Rhode Island Reds were, so it was time to let them out of the coop. Before I did that, I put chicken wire around the coop and made a nice pen for them to enjoy the outside world. By the beginning of July, they were free to roam the redoubt at will. My friends who helped me build the chicken coop would help when I traveled for business. This was a big help.

Mid-July I went out to the coop to let them out to roam one morning and found 11 out of 12-chickens dead. It appeared that a critter chewed their way through the chicken wire on one of the windows. Crawled in and murdered 11 of my chickens. One was taken and 10 laid on the floor of coop dead. The survivor ran over to me with a lot to say. The survivor of the “Racoon Massacre” as it is now being called locally, was promptly named Lucky. Another lesson learned. Use chicken wire mesh rather than generic chicken wire on your windows.

At the time I didn’t know what or who the culprit was. Some folks thought a fisher cat. Others guessed a raccoon. While others suspected a skunk. I set out a Have a heart trap baited with one of the dead chickens and caught a big fat raccoon mama. Dispatched the raccoon and reordered six and six more chicks from Ideal Poultry.

As before, the chick’s arrived and the whole process started all over again. After a short time, a separation board used to keep Lucky and chicks apart, was lifted.  These eleven chicks (One died the third day after arrival) became Lucy’s flock.

With some jokesters attempts to get my goat by placing colored eggs in the hen box and a rooster showing up from, who knows where, I received my first real egg mid-December. Well once that happened the daily take started to rise to the point at this writing (Mid-January) I am collecting 8-13 eggs a day.

To prepare for winter I added a few things that most chicken wranglers do not use. First, I ran a 12/3 extension cord to the coop from the cabin and hooked up an outdoor multi electrical outlet inside the coop. To the outlet I plugged in a heater that would keep the water from freezing and something called a Cozy Coop Heater. These two additions, in my opinion kept the girls laying even when the temps dropped below freezing at night as is the norm this time of year.

I do let them out to roam this time of year even though there isn’t much to scratch from frozen terafirma or the snow. It just seems they are happier when outside their coop. I do not let them out during snow storms or when the temps drop below 10 degrees F. When they are in lock-down mode, I typically get fewer eggs.

The feed is purchased from a local Agway which runs for about $12- a 50 lb. bag of 16% protein layer feed and similarly for a 50 lb. bag of cracked corn. I mix into their daily feed cracked corn which they seem to love. We go through a 50 lb. bag of laying feed every other week now, a lot less in the summer. And, a 50 lb. bag of cracked corn once a month. In the summer we went through a 50 lb. bag of feed a month. This is mainly due to the foraging they do when the grass is up, and worms are prevalent during the warm months of the year.

I give a dozen eggs to each of my two helpers once a week. They continue to help when I am on the road for business and can not be there. We use about half a dozen eggs a week at the redoubt,  so the rest goes to the church we frequent. The eggs go into the church’s fridge and any of the church members can donate $2- a dozen and take-home fresh eggs. The church gets the donation.

In closing, if you agree that things could go sidewise whether it be a job or the shumer hitting the fan at any time and have thought of raising protein along with your vegetables, get started on chickens. It is easy, a fun family project, and to be frank, I am now a lover of just watching chickens do chicken type things.

Now where did that damn rooster come from?

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Re: The Redoubts Chicken Experiment
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2019, 01:36:29 PM »
As always, a fantastic DIY article! I would greatly benefit from chickens as I eat 4 eggs day, but I am quite a ways off from that capability.

Going to file this on my hard drive under "To Do's".
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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2019, 02:29:09 PM »
Cool beans Patriotman  :cheers:
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Re: The Redoubts Chicken Experiment
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2019, 03:57:50 PM »
    Good report Johny!  As you know, I 've been heating my girls over the years.  This winter I've had to bring in their water once, when it was -24F with high winds.  I have an A frame type exterior social area for them that's covered with tarps year round.  I let the snow build up over the enclosure, so the snow insulates them and protects them from high winds.  For our new place in Tennessee, I'm thinking of building a combined chicken coop and greenhouse.  I'm still working on the plans, but I think it'll work well. I've attached a photo of how the social area is buried in snow.  You'll notice their actual coop has less snow due to the heater.  There's another photo of the interior, which is mostly snow free except around the entrance.  And there's a photo of their loyal protector, who is loving all this snow.
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Re: The Redoubts Chicken Experiment
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2019, 08:50:13 AM »
Greenhouse/Chicken coop is a GREAT idea Jackalope.

Thx for posting your pics. Luna seems to enjoy the winter.  :dance:  :cheers:
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Re: The Redoubts Chicken Experiment
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2019, 09:57:28 AM »
    Yeah, I took them yesterday afternoon, the actual air temperature was about 5 degrees, if I remember correctly the wind chill was -20 F.  Luna is definitely in her element with all this cold, snowy weather, though when it gets down to -15 or so her feet start bothering her.  The chickens stay inside when it's that cold, but the goose makes her rounds.  The cold doesn't seem to bother the goose at all.

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Re: The Redoubts Chicken Experiment
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2019, 10:35:54 AM »
Greenhouse/Chicken coop is a GREAT idea Jackalope.

Thx for posting your pics. Luna seems to enjoy the winter.  :dance:  :cheers:

My only concern would be that it would get stupidly hot in the summer and kill the poor things. But, you all definitely know more about that stuff than I do so I assume there is a way to mitigate that.
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Re: The Redoubts Chicken Experiment
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2019, 12:04:13 PM »
Yeah they would be kept separate with a wall.  You don't want chickens inside the actual greenhouse.  Chickens are in many ways like velociraptors, they will devastate a garden within minutes if they're allowed free access.  Chickens are cannibals, especially if they're in crowded conditions.  In fact roadkill is a good way for them to get extra protein, they can strip a carcass clean within minutes.

    My idea would be to use the heat of the greenhouse to partially heat the chicken coop in cold weather.  They don't need much heat in southern climes.  But it allows easy access to manure for the greenhouse too.  Plus there's the economy of scale too when building.  I've got to get the plans together before May when we pour the floor.

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Re: The Redoubts Chicken Experiment
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2019, 02:05:31 PM »
We have had good luck with our birds, we do a dozen or so meat chickens a year and maintain about 8-10 layers, we rotate in new layers about every two years. This year we tried getting a couple turkeys, something got one of them (Christmas) but the one that survived (Thanksgiving) is getting huge!

I also added a rain water collection system on the roof of the coop this year (275 gallon tank is behind the coop) and it more than kept up with watering the garden.

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Re: The Redoubts Chicken Experiment
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2019, 04:11:20 PM »
Keeping chickens cool in the summer.  I know absolutely nothing about raising chickens but Delaware produces 500 million chickens a year. Chicken houses are all over the place. In the summer they have huge fans at one end and shuttered windows along the sides.
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« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2019, 05:11:03 PM »
ours free range during the summer and usually find a nice shady place to keep cool during the day, we shut them in at night.

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Re: The Redoubts Chicken Experiment
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2019, 08:21:49 PM »
ours free range during the summer and usually find a nice shady place to keep cool during the day, we shut them in at night.

 Like I said in a previous post I know nothing about chickens. My question is "How do you get them into the coop at night"?
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Re: The Redoubts Chicken Experiment
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2019, 08:43:05 PM »
Our chickens generally head into the coop at dusk.  Since we've moved into our new AO, we've installed an automatic coop door.  The chickens are still getting accustomed to the door, but most nights they all make it inside before it closes at night.  There's one chicken that never sleeps in the coop, she sleeps on top of the feeder bin underneath a dry enclosure.  Our goose usually sleeps outdoors, no matter what the weather conditions.  In hot weather they simply stay in the shade, though there's a couple who don't seem to mind the sun.

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Re: The Redoubts Chicken Experiment
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2019, 08:42:55 AM »
Ours go in on their own also, my brother in law says they are "solar powered" lol.


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« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2019, 09:07:11 AM »
Sorry for the double post, just figuring out the pic posting.




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« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2019, 09:21:58 PM »
Nice layout.

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Re: The Redoubts Chicken Experiment
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2019, 10:45:58 AM »
Great pics Wayupnorth!
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